Capping RP doesn't matter at all. Damage per RP and Damage per Rune aren't even on the same planet. Dump runes always, keep IT up, FS on free globals. Always keep OBing.
Capping RP doesn't matter at all. Damage per RP and Damage per Rune aren't even on the same planet. Dump runes always, keep IT up, FS on free globals. Always keep OBing.
Since a week a have a belt as well and I felt it's not working as good as I would like it to do, but I had not enough time to look for an answer. Finally today I've got enough time to actually check forum and followed some of sugestions. Here are some results from slaping dummie for 5 min:
IT/FP/RA: in both runs I've ended at somewhere under 350k
MF/FF/GS: both runs close to regular setup but a bit under, 345k+
IT/FF/RA: +/- 380k in both runs
Last setup seems to be working best for me, keep in mind that I might be doing some mistakes as Im mostly playing as a blood. But for ppl that know what they are doing I guess it's worth to spend some more time on testing FF instead of FP (with a belt ofc).
What relics do you have in your weapon? Seeing how we can theoretically buff HB with them I guess it could matter.
1 Blast Radius (HB)
1 Cold as Ice (1% frost dmg)
1 Dead of Winter (RW)
My weapon is just at lvl28 as I've switched back to fueling my blood weapon. With next 3 points going into Blast Radius that dmg would go up even more.
Here's my armory:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...traks/advanced
Nah, okay, I can't reproduce that then, since I have a combined level of 3 already in Blast Radius (2 from points, 1 from a relic).
Edit: Also in regards to my 20 : 6.5 HB+FF:FP ratio, that was in encounters where I totally fucked up, favoring it massively. In normal tries I'm still seeing consistently better numbers from FP of at least 8%, so no clue how it could be better.. maybe if they buffed it 35-40%.
Last edited by Cosmic Janitor; 2016-11-08 at 11:53 AM.
Well,
I have the belt and I'm still doing 8-9% of FP damage, I don't see FF replacing the FP yet. Not in a ST at least.
I understand, but as @Schizoide said, we need numbers and not superficial percentages. As I said I have the belt and I cannot keep up my FP all the time, but 8-9% of damage it is pretty much imho. And 25% more for HB and Frost Fever do not compensate using FF instead of FP.
But you guys should have more experience than me and different gear I dont know, but only the belt really worth use FF than FP? I don't see it in numbers, again, at least not in a ST or +2 targets.
Correct me if I'm wrong please.
Have a good day.
KoRn
As far as the sim is concerned, it definitely is not. FF is an extremely undertuned talent that nobody should take until it's buffed.
GS with the leg belt is potentially more interesting.
Just checked out GS with the belt and the answer is no, it still sucks rocks. In fact, it's only a 1.2% gain compared to no talent in that tier at all. Getting the legendary helm does not make GS worth taking either.
RA is worth ~7% DPS on its own; GS is only worth 1.2%. That disparity cannot be overcome.
T19H 2210003 talents, w/leg belt: 356.3k
T19H 2210023 talents, w/leg belt: 382.2k
T19H 2210033 talents, w/leg belt: 360.7k
T19H 2210003 talents, w/leg belt & helm: 362.7k
T19H 2210023 talents, w/leg belt & helm: 389.1k
T19H 2210033 talents, w/leg belt & helm: 367.2k
that is absolutely bullshit, sorry. 1.2%? hell no. Your simcraft ig wrong. I do have live data, pure numbers taken from ingame.
Taking F.scythe and not using it: RW deals 3-4% of my damage.
Taking Gathering Storm: RW deals 10-11% of my damage. Not to mention with my Legendary helm, howling blast deals more so RW participation in % gets squished a bit.
268 ST no GS
290 ST w/ GS
3 minute combat time. I staggered couple RW along the way but wouldnt effect that much.
Last edited by nathrizarri; 2016-11-08 at 01:55 PM.
So what's your DPS with the "cookie-cutter" build (using RA instead of GS or FrostScythe) ?
@Schizoide
I've got 3 Blast Radius Relics - even with this setup FF is still not worth taking according to sims, right ?
It's hard to get 3 Ambidexterity Relics with better ilvl :-(
Last edited by mmoc9839ad3669; 2016-11-08 at 03:18 PM.
That's correct. It makes essentially no difference whatsoever-- but with the helm and waist, blast radius relics aren't a DPS loss, so you got that.
T19H 2210003 talents, w/leg belt & helm: 362.7k
T19H 2210023 talents, w/leg belt & helm: 389.1k
T19H 2210033 talents, w/leg belt & helm: 367.2k
T19H 2210003 talents, w/leg belt & helm, 3*bradius: 363.1k
T19H 2210023 talents, w/leg belt & helm, 3*bradius: 389.3k
T19H 2210033 talents, w/leg belt & helm, 3*bradius: 367.5k
Last edited by Schizoide; 2016-11-08 at 03:43 PM.
I used 3110021 and I did 282k on ST dummy over 3 min combat. Got the helm.
I am quite suprised. RA not only boosted my Fstrike damage but also made my HB the top damaging ability with %16 of my damage. Frost Fever dealt %5. I think main reason being more runes coming from the RP spent and lower Pillar CD due to more FS hits.
Changed FF to FP, lost about 20k dps. Low uptime due to resource flow and not taking IT should explain it.
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To make it short, If you consider Freezing Fog, you must have talents that keep the rune flow. Just like IT-FP has an insane synergy, you need ME-FF synergy to make FF work. You should'nt have any extra ability that fights over runes If you want to boost Freezing Fog's damage, Like Fscythe, GA.
But..
Switching to RA made me a sustained damage dealer whereas with GS I was more burst. Well dont let that burst fool you, I was still nothing compared to big burst dealers like DHs but still, was more "bursty" than RA.
Last edited by nathrizarri; 2016-11-09 at 01:07 AM.
If you seriously have an issue with too much RP, just dump RA and go Gathering Storm.
If you're overcapping on RP, why take a talent that gives you more of it? Get Gathering storm and play to the strength of your legendaries, instead of trying to force a playstyle you did not get the correct pieces for.
If RA still sims higher than GS with your current setup, you have to look to your own performance, because you might be overcapping, not due to excessive inflow, but rather due to poor planning/execution.