"Argus will not be an expansion"

[Night Wind]

"Argus will not be a leveling experience, it isn't an expansion. Patch 7.3 will take us to Argus. Outdoor zone, quests, raid. Capstone of Legion story. We take the fight to them to get more than a temporary peace."

Looks like Argus won't be an expansion after all. It seems the burning legion will be taken care of this expansion.

[Deleted]

Thank Christ, basically. /16char

[ShadiHD]

it's called LEGION for a reason you know...

[Aucald]

I'm think Argus will be more or less like the Molten Front - an outdoor questing area/hub whose World Quests and story will be the lead up to finally ending the Legion threat once and for all in the accompanying raid instance.

[Jokubas]

I used to think of Argus as an expansion, but I think, especially after the whole orc fatigue fiasco, I realized it's not really a good idea.

There's no way to portray an entire "continent"'s worth of Argus in a way that we could believably quest through, visit distinct biomes, friendly hubs, and find friendly factions on, that wouldn't either be repetitive or completely undermine the concept of the Legion.

Something like Molten Front or Isle of Quel'Danas is probably the most you can get out of it in a way that makes sense, and they've been building the story for this to make sense. Even if we stop the current plot, the Legion will keep coming unless we stop them for good. There are no more breaks, it's kill or be killed. Between Illidan and the Army of the Light, we have both a way to get directly to the Legion's command structure and a window of opportunity to bring it down before we get overwhelmed.

[tss]

Anybody with any sense realized this when it was announced.

[Deleted]

That seems like a great shame. Argus is an entire planet - it could have sustained multiple expansions as we pushed through to the Legion's main stronghold. If this is truly the end of the Legion it seems odd that they didn't make Argus the new levelling content in the first place.

[Toppy]

Good, the less we have to deal with Draenei the better. They're even less fitting than the Pandaren.

[Shampro]

That seems like a great shame. Argus is an entire planet - it could have sustained multiple expansions as we pushed through to the Legion's main stronghold. If this is truly the end of the Legion it seems odd that they didn't make Argus the new levelling content in the first place.

Making Argus anything other than a barren husk of a world after thousands of years would be nonsensical and would make them look completely oblivious. This is not some side place abandoned by the Legion like Outland, this is the HQ, thier center command. Not to mention I very much doubt they'd want an expansion called ''Legion'' ''But this time FOR REAL''.

Making it a big zone with layers and a raid, etc, doesn't mean it won't be otherworldly and unique it just means the Legion theme as a centerpiece should definitely not be another expansion.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

That seems like a great shame. Argus is an entire planet - it could have sustained multiple expansions as we pushed through to the Legion's main stronghold. If this is truly the end of the Legion it seems odd that they didn't make Argus the new levelling content in the first place.

Its probably just vast nothingness. While strongholds might exist.. I think it'd look like a planet-wide version of Hellfire Peninsula.

[Combatbutler]

That seems like a great shame. Argus is an entire planet - it could have sustained multiple expansions as we pushed through to the Legion's main stronghold. If this is truly the end of the Legion it seems odd that they didn't make Argus the new levelling content in the first place.

Argus is an utterly fel tainted shithole, so there isn't really much you can do with it. Visiting for one patch is reasonable, maybe it will feature again in future expansions, with dranenei trying to cleanse it, unless we blow it up.

[Qualia]

^ This. Argus lacks diversity. It's only a planet filled with rocks, fel, and demons - would make the leveling process boring really fast (not like it's very exciting normally, but still). I doubt we would even re-visit it, since if Argus is cleansed, lore-wise the Draenei would want to come back to their home planet = Blizzard would have to move the entire Draenei starting zone over there.

[Adoxe]

That seems like a great shame. Argus is an entire planet - it could have sustained multiple expansions as we pushed through to the Legion's main stronghold. If this is truly the end of the Legion it seems odd that they didn't make Argus the new levelling content in the first place.

Argus WAS an entire planet. It's a wasteland that is in a worse state than Outland. I don't see or understand how you think it would've worked out as an expansion.

[Deleted]

If they do this, it will be a huge missed opportunity imo. Argus was a huge world once and seeing how they worked with Outland, I am sure they could have done crazy zones and a cool story.

But hey, I am still curious how they will continue the story after Legion. So color me intrigued.

[Qualia]

If they do this, it will be a huge missed opportunity imo. Argus was a huge world once and seeing how they worked with Outland, I am sure they could have done crazy zones and a cool story.

But hey, I am still curious how they will continue the story after Legion. So color me intrigued.

Unlike Outland, though, Argus was bathed in Fel and under the Legion's control for thousands years. It'd be unrealistic for any non-demonic native race or natural terrain to be there anymore. At least Outland was still a normal planet for the most part when the portals ripped it apart.

After Legion, we're probably going into the Void arc next. Maybe Sargeras somewhere in between the Void expansions if he isn't dying in 7.3.

[Deleted]

Its probably just vast nothingness. While strongholds might exist.. I think it'd look like a planet-wide version of Hellfire Peninsula.

It looks like whatever Blizzard wants it to look like. The comparison I've always made in my head is to Mordor. Mordor's just a fiery hellscape right? But it's not, if you dig a bit further into the lore there are actually supposed to be vast swathes of verdant(ish) farmland to feed Sauron's armies. Argus doesn't need to be a planet-wide hellfire peninsula. The Legion might wreck other planets but why would they want their home to look like that? Do the decadent, luxuriant Eredar want to live amongst a pile of burned rocks?

I think had they wanted to Argus could have sustained three continents. One where the slaves of the legion toil away building fel machinery, farming whatever sustenance demons need. Harsh but living, just barely. Then the continent where the Eredar aristocracy lives, filled with luxurious palaces and lush, artificial environments. And finally the demonic stronghold continent, all fire and brimstone.

[Charo]

Fel consumes life energy. It isn't comparable to Mordor and Sauron. The planet is an empty husk by now, look at what Hellfire Peninsula looks like after a few years or even the Blasted Lands. What hope does Argus have if the Fel did that in a decade near the Dark Portals?

[Deleted]

It looks like whatever Blizzard wants it to look like. The comparison I've always made in my head is to Mordor. Mordor's just a fiery hellscape right? But it's not, if you dig a bit further into the lore there are actually supposed to be vast swathes of verdant(ish) farmland to feed Sauron's armies. Argus doesn't need to be a planet-wide hellfire peninsula. The Legion might wreck other planets but why would they want their home to look like that? Do the decadent, luxuriant Eredar want to live amongst a pile of burned rocks?

I think had they wanted to Argus could have sustained three continents. One where the slaves of the legion toil away building fel machinery, farming whatever sustenance demons need. Harsh but living, just barely. Then the continent where the Eredar aristocracy lives, filled with luxurious palaces and lush, artificial environments. And finally the demonic stronghold continent, all fire and brimstone.

It's probably one of the most destroyed planets from the legion out there. As far as I understood it the planet only became a HQ after it's destruction and submission. The Legion needs no farms, the Legion needs no fancy housing, it's all destruction.

The only way I see Argus becomming an expansion is if it gets the Dreanor Treatment of timetraveling to a time of diversity and more Draenei, but why would that happen?

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

It looks like whatever Blizzard wants it to look like. The comparison I've always made in my head is to Mordor. Mordor's just a fiery hellscape right? But it's not, if you dig a bit further into the lore there are actually supposed to be vast swathes of verdant(ish) farmland to feed Sauron's armies. Argus doesn't need to be a planet-wide hellfire peninsula. The Legion might wreck other planets but why would they want their home to look like that? Do the decadent, luxuriant Eredar want to live amongst a pile of burned rocks?

I think had they wanted to Argus could have sustained three continents. One where the slaves of the legion toil away building fel machinery, farming whatever sustenance demons need. Harsh but living, just barely. Then the continent where the Eredar aristocracy lives, filled with luxurious palaces and lush, artificial environments. And finally the demonic stronghold continent, all fire and brimstone.

I appreciate the LOTR example, but I can think of two differences: 1) Argus was conquered a long long long time ago, and I don't think demons have any uses for trees. Think of the fel corrupted areas on the Broken Isles. 2) I'm ignorant on the subject, but I don't know that demons eat or if they do, would eat food that is farmed.

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It's probably one of the most destroyed planets from the legion out there. As far as I understood it the planet only became a HQ after it's destruction and submission. The Legion needs no farms, the Legion needs no fancy housing, it's all destruction.

The only way I see Argus becomming an expansion is if it gets the Dreanor Treatment of timetraveling to a time of diversity and more Draenei, but why would that happen?

I mean, I guess we could go back to stop the Eredar (KJ, Archi) from joining in the first place. But I think that wouldn't work for an entire expansion.

[Florena]

It looks like whatever Blizzard wants it to look like. The comparison I've always made in my head is to Mordor. Mordor's just a fiery hellscape right? But it's not, if you dig a bit further into the lore there are actually supposed to be vast swathes of verdant(ish) farmland to feed Sauron's armies. Argus doesn't need to be a planet-wide hellfire peninsula. The Legion might wreck other planets but why would they want their home to look like that? Do the decadent, luxuriant Eredar want to live amongst a pile of burned rocks?

I think had they wanted to Argus could have sustained three continents. One where the slaves of the legion toil away building fel machinery, farming whatever sustenance demons need. Harsh but living, just barely. Then the continent where the Eredar aristocracy lives, filled with luxurious palaces and lush, artificial environments. And finally the demonic stronghold continent, all fire and brimstone.

Your three ideas could make ZONES but not entire continents and expansions. Even if it was an expansion making it MULTIPLE expansions would just draw things out and lead to filler.