Is it Time to Remove Looking For Dungeon?

[Jaylock]

Since most of the servers have been merged into mega servers, does it make sense to still have the auto matchmaking when we can easily look in the LFG channel (which is very active btw) to build groups on our own servers, and thus improve the SWToR community? The game definitely feels more fun when you find friends and play together on the same server.

I've run probably 100 flashpoints without the LFD tool just by asking in the group channel alone. Which leads me to believe the tool is not needed anymore.

Thoughts?

[quras]

I can't see any reason to remove it to be honest.

You can make a group on your own or use the GF. Best of both worlds.

I like having the options.

[Eleccybubb]

Didn't know you played TOR Jay? :O. What you play? I'm a Sith Warrior specced as Marauder.

[Jaylock]

Didn't know you played TOR Jay? :O. What you play? I'm a Sith Warrior specced as Marauder.

I played a gunslinger initially, but I pretty much play most of the Sith / Jedi classes. Most of my stuff is Jedi, but I have a few Sith chars as well.

[Davemetalhead]

Why remove options?

[Golden]

Since most of the servers have been merged into mega servers, does it make sense to still have the auto matchmaking when we can easily look in the LFG channel (which is very active btw) to build groups on our own servers, and thus improve the SWToR community? The game definitely feels more fun when you find friends and play together on the same server.

I've run probably 100 flashpoints without the LFD tool just by asking in the group channel alone. Which leads me to believe the tool is not needed anymore.

Thoughts?

Oh please...how did that work out anyway? Did marginalizing LFD, LFR, and random BGs turn WoW's community into the social utopia you always dreamed of? Seems to me like WoW's community is worse than ever.

[Almaric]

With Galactic Command it looks like there will be even more to queue for than ever and rewards for queued content are going to be better than ever.

Are you guys tired of trolling the WoW forums anyway? I mean, coming here with the anti-queue attitude is kinda slumming it don't you think?

It's Jaylock, the fucking definition of troll, ignore and move along.

[Jaylock]

It's Jaylock, the fucking definition of troll, ignore and move along.

Its just the logical thing to preserve any sense of community on the SWTOR realms. Why call me a troll for just trying to suggest something that will actually improve the game?

I love SWTOR, I just think its silly to continue to promote queue gameplay which is actually an ANTI-SOCIAL function.

[Eleccybubb]

Its just the logical thing to preserve any sense of community on the SWTOR realms. Why call me a troll for just trying to suggest something that will actually improve the game?

I love SWTOR, I just think its silly to continue to promote queue gameplay which is actually an ANTI-SOCIAL function.

Some people have nothing better to do than insult you without reason it seems. Also tbh I think it would bring in a social aspect needed for SWTOR.

[Jaylock]

Some people have nothing better to do than insult you without reason it seems. Also tbh I think it would bring in a social aspect needed for SWTOR.

Thanks Eleccy!

I havent played SWToR in awhile, I always sub once in awhile to get my Star Wars fix. How do you like the game and the new expansion so far?

[Eleccybubb]

Thanks Eleccy!

I havent played SWToR in awhile, I always sub once in awhile to get my Star Wars fix. How do you like the game and the new expansion so far?

I havent't actually logged in for a while. Keep meaning to install it and other stuff takes prio. Problem is I'm already managing FF14 and GW2.

[Almaric]

Its just the logical thing to preserve any sense of community on the SWTOR realms. Why call me a troll for just trying to suggest something that will actually improve the game?

I love SWTOR, I just think its silly to continue to promote queue gameplay which is actually an ANTI-SOCIAL function.

Oh i don't know, maybe because you ARE a troll and get banned on regular basis.

[Grym]

Modern MMO would die pretty quickly without all the convenience tools all other games now have as a standard.

[quras]

Its just the logical thing to preserve any sense of community on the SWTOR realms. Why call me a troll for just trying to suggest something that will actually improve the game?

I love SWTOR, I just think its silly to continue to promote queue gameplay which is actually an ANTI-SOCIAL function.

I know you're banned again but unlike wow. SWTOR is still based on server only. Not cross server. You play with people on your server. Their GF has in no way harmed the community like wow's did. IT actually helped to get the gamers you hang around into groups faster.

I think you're trying to base SWTOR GF based off what you know of wow and it didn't have the same effect.

SWTOR GF is a really nice option to have. Removing it would be the anti-social move. Standing around fleet spamming chat for a group gets more enemies than friends these days. Plus if you screw over a group, the server will soon know.

So in this case, you are simply wrong.

[Edge-]

I know you're banned again but unlike wow. SWTOR is still based on server only. Not cross server. You play with people on your server. Their GF has in no way harmed the community like wow's did. IT actually helped to get the gamers you hang around into groups faster.

Eh, it had largely the same effect. I've not seen any indications that it "preserved" server communities at all in my experience. Hell, it's rare that anyone even chats when I've done group content using the automated group finder.

If anything, the only reason it's still locked to your server only is because of technical challenges getting it working with cross server. Because cross server grouping is desperately needed to help bolster the population queuing and improve queue times.

[Treeba]

Eh, it had largely the same effect. I've not seen any indications that it "preserved" server communities at all in my experience. Hell, it's rare that anyone even chats when I've done group content using the automated group finder.

If anything, the only reason it's still locked to your server only is because of technical challenges getting it working with cross server. Because cross server grouping is desperately needed to help bolster the population queuing and improve queue times.

Think it depends on your server. When I was still on Pot5 you'd see the same people regularly, especially pub side. So your behavior mattered slightly... there weren't really enough people to replace the bad apples so you were still kinda stuck with them. So it mattered in that you knew who was good/bad/douchey, but you didn't have a lot of options without guildies.

When I moved to Harbinger I never saw the same person more than once. It was like GF in WoW.... the community wasn't there, but you could always find a replacement. I'd pick Harbinger everytime.

Of course this was all forever ago. Last time I was online Harbinger couldn't even fill a single fleet. Game has really emptied out. Now they need GF to be cross server to keep even the busier servers from having long queues with repeat faces. This was back in June... I'm sure it's even worse now. You're completely right about the social aspects. No one talks except to say hi at the start or attack each other. The only mmo I've ever played where GF is nice and helpful is FF14.

[Treeba]

Back in vanilla WoW I don't remember anyone talking in dungeons either, except for "shit, the tank/healer/dps bailed. Someone head back to Org and find a replacement". I think this idea that group finders led to dungeon/flashpoint runs losing socialization is a case of misremembering. People I've met in games have always been through working together on world content, mostly questing through an area.

We had very different experiences then. There was lots of talking in most of my dungeons. Sometimes it was purely logistics... travel/loots/strats, etc, but there was interaction and conversation. There were well known players (more tanks/healer than dps) who ran solid groups and you wanted to invite back. People made an effort to avoid known ninjas, or assholes. You needed to get invited back. It took time and effort to get groups going and that became much harder if you had a bad rep.

Now it's either completely silent or there are people fighting about trivial nonsense. You don't need to be well mannered when you can immediately drop and find a whole new group in seconds with no effort.

[Treeba]

I wasn't arguing against LFG at all. Like I said in my first post I moved off a server that had a more old school feel for the perks of a populated server's group finder. I just acknowledge that each system has its own advantages and that while SWTORs has the old school feel of "keeping it all on the server," it hasn't really done much to keep the servers together. I admit the last part has more to do with a lack in both quality and quantity of content in the game.

[quras]

Eh, it had largely the same effect. I've not seen any indications that it "preserved" server communities at all in my experience. Hell, it's rare that anyone even chats when I've done group content using the automated group finder.

If anything, the only reason it's still locked to your server only is because of technical challenges getting it working with cross server. Because cross server grouping is desperately needed to help bolster the population queuing and improve queue times.

I'm not entirely sure it had the same effect. Cross server in wow did allow groups faster but really killed community. You didn't have to care about anyone. I can't say thats what happened in SWTOR. Little to no content and the way the game turned F2P and gamers left maybe but their LFg being server based didn't really do the same thing wows did.

SWTOr and their LFG may very well be locked to server only because of technology difficulties but I've never been a fan of cross server due to what it did in wow and I just didn't see that same negative change in SWTOR when it got it's LFG.

As far as chatting in lower man groups I find little chat to happen in wow and SWTOR when in 4 man groups or 5 man per wow. Grab someone for heroics and it's a different thing. Get in a PUG and people seem to talk. 4/5 man groups for FP/dungeons and gamers shut up for some reason. Maybe its because there all so old and they just want to get it done. I've never based that on something LFG created. Little chat in that group type seems to happen everywhere for some reason, LFG or not from is what I see.

[ComputerNerd]

Some people have nothing better to do than insult you without reason it seems. Also tbh I think it would bring in a social aspect needed for SWTOR.

I don't play SWTOR, but as shown in WoW forced interaction is not social.
It is how you choose to interact that determines that.
If the game isn't "social", then that is player decisions and not game design driving that.

You can take a horse to water, but can't make it drink.
The design can at most offer opportunities, which you could argue a group finder to be.
In WoW perhaps more than SWTOR due to the server structure, bypassing barriers to experience content with players you otherwise would not encounter.
But you still have to want the right outcome.