Elemental PTR Changes

[Verko]

Is it just me or did they basically revert back to live now? The IF/EB build is now our new cookie cutter build, why would they take away our options again. I really hope this isn't the final iteration.

[Nebria]

it is the final iteration when the build contains rtm or release in the version number... until then, be prepared for the next build

[pies1]

Is it just me or did they basically revert back to live now? The IF/EB build is now our new cookie cutter build, why would they take away our options again. I really hope this isn't the final iteration.

If you have any hope of competence from Blizz regarding balance you're in for a long time of disappointment.

[Kralljin]

Yes and No.

On the one hand, the synergy between EF and EotE is quite difficult to solve without making them completely useless on their own or making it totally overpowered.

On the other hand, EB at least most certainly won't be used on every Encounter like it is case with the current LR build where you hardly change any talents.

You probably won't be using EB in Mythic + or any Cleave / AoE Encounter, similair thing goes for Icefury.

[JonBeMerkin]

Elemental is a lost cause. If you are playing Elemental and you are waiting on buffs so it can become competitive just re roll....You are wasting your time...again you are wasting your time. Elemental will never become top tier or mid tier for a very very very long time. Please just save yourself while you can.

[Deleted]

Elemental is a lost cause. If you are playing Elemental and you are waiting on buffs so it can become competitive just re roll....You are wasting your time...again you are wasting your time. Elemental will never become top tier or mid tier for a very very very long time. Please just save yourself while you can.

Holy shit pessimistic much?

[JonBeMerkin]

Holy shit pessimistic much?

Call it what you want. I'd just prefer not to be one of those players that sit on forums telling people "just hang in there, buffs are coming!"...."its early in the patch, chin up man keep on keeping on!" ... Like no..Even from the first notes you can tell where Blizzards head is at and the second notes? Yeah its over.

Unfortunately elemental will still be bad ni 7.1.5 for raiding. Its a lost cause like I said just respec or reroll. Feel free to come back and tell me you told me so if god flys in from another universe and tells Blizzard he plays Elemental shaman so buff them and they manage to become decent but until then, i'm sticking by what I said.

[Deleted]

Call it what you want. I'd just prefer not to be one of those players that sit on forums telling people "just hang in there, buffs are coming!"...."its early in the patch, chin up man keep on keeping on!" ... Like no..Even from the first notes you can tell where Blizzards head is at and the second notes? Yeah its over.

Unfortunately elemental will still be bad ni 7.1.5 for raiding. Its a lost cause like I said just respec or reroll. Feel free to come back and tell me you told me so if god flys in from another universe and tells Blizzard he plays Elemental shaman so buff them and they manage to become decent but until then, i'm sticking by what I said.

Ye, ive been thinking of rerolling, its just so sad. Have tons of characters but my Shaman has always been my main since vanilla. I loved it in mop. Quit last expansion coz of the disappointment and had high hopes for legion. I don't want to go melee. Dunno what to do tbh :3

[JonBeMerkin]

Ye, ive been thinking of rerolling, its just so sad. Have tons of characters but my Shaman has always been my main since vanilla. I loved it in mop. Quit last expansion coz of the disappointment and had high hopes for legion. I don't want to go melee. Dunno what to do tbh :3

Go to icy veins and look at some of the rotations for specs of rdps that interest you. Once you find some create a level 100 trial and try it out in some dungeons and stuff. If you want to be super competitive in a guild thats trying to get world firsts then your only option is spriest/hunter/mage. If you just want to be semi serious with some progression raiding and be able to top charts then pretty much every rdps can do that except Ele.

Just have to take the initiative to try some things out instead of being idle and asking yourself what to do next.

[Deleted]

What exactly do you want to see of interest?

There is substantial buffing of elemental on the PTR so far, Lava Burst and Earth Shock saw 25 and 15% buffs respectively. As well as big buffs to talents like icefury, elemental blast and liquid magma totem making them more viable choices. I think the new arrangement of talents is much better too, although it would be nice if they hadn't reverted the Elemental Fusion buff. As of right now they must be one of the only specs that are actually performing better on the PTR than live.

[Deleted]

Well i have most range classes at 100, just trouble of letting my Shaman go haha. I used to end raid but now i have a german Shepherd puppy, don't really have the time so i do my best as I go. But Ye hunter has been on my radar, atleast begun to lvl it. I felt the rotation was kinda a faceroll. We will see. Il hustle to 110 first

[pies1]

Holy shit pessimistic much?

They've had almost a year of people telling them it will be impossible to balance s2m, soul shards are retarded for dest and that effigy is just as shitty on aff as it was when it was called prismatic crystal. Every sort of data has been provided and countless suggestions of solutions yet here we are.

[Ranulf13]

Except that Ele's only problem is its mediocre Single Target, which is exactly what received substancial buffs on PTR. Everything else is strong to top tier (Cleave and AoE), and none of those are noticeably nerfed on PTR.

Just because the build isnt meatball doesnt mean that there is no change whatsoever or that Ele isnt getting a substancial buff to our weakest area. Even if Icefury build becomes the cookiecutter build, its still way higher on ST that current any build, not to mention that both builds make Mastery a very good stat to have, and that aloneis a big buff to itemization in general.

And guess what, the best ST build of the 2 (meatball vs Icefury) is still Legendary dependant and gear dependant.

All of this, plus Fire and Spriest getting nerfed on PTR means good times for Ele.

[Deleted]

how is ele looking in 7.1.5 so far?

fun spec but only hear complaints about it, not at 110 but in BGs with that talent that increases lava burst proc, flame shock everyone and melt through people with lava burst procs.

is that not viable at 110?

[RiiSEN]

I am not seeing the reason for people crying out so much. warcraftlogs has ele at middle of the pack on live, and with top dps specs receiving nerfs I can see elemental moving up a few places.

[Deleted]

I am not seeing the reason for people crying out so much. warcraftlogs has ele at middle of the pack on live, and with top dps specs receiving nerfs I can see elemental moving up a few places.

Middle of the pack is a bit of a stretch, not trash tier but lower middle maybe. But ele is getting substantial buffs in 7.1.5 to core single target spells as well as a better talent selection so I think the future is looking good.

We'll see more tuning changes to classes which have been hit hard in 7.1.5 but as long as most classes aren't buffed above where they are in live, I think ele will be very competitive. I also think quite a few Nighthold bosses will play to elemental's strengths.

[Ele man]

Good point :
Stronger single DPS than now. Competition with other spec is possible.
Powerful nighthold tier equipment option(It's strongest Tier option in history)

Bad point :
Lose AOE DPS, and Lose strong point of Ele(Personality has decreased)
Legendery belt dependency increases
Still, spread cleave dps is weak. It is a virtue of good range dealer.
Still, Ele is a spec that does not matter even if it does not exist.(There is no personality)

[Tokkai]

Why are we losing AoE-DPS? EQ does the same damage in 60% of the time. In higher m+ a mob rarely stands in EQ for its full duration. Many affixes require kiting. And in m+ LR is still the way to go. Due to the haste nerf we might have fewer LvB/PotM-procs, but overall we should see an AoE-Buff in m+. It might be even viable to use Liquid Magma Totem.

Regarding personality: A static overload of CL on a group of +5 mobs makes me feel so "Elemental" (or Sith-lordish) and unique in the current range-dd composition, that I absolutely don't understand, what you are talking about. The animations in Legion are awesome, proc-chains feel powerful (I had a 12 (!) ES-chain with the boots. I was just giggling for joy) and did you see that class-mount that is coming? Aside from ST damage in live, Ele is in a great shape

[Ele man]

Why are we losing AoE-DPS? EQ does the same damage in 60% of the time. In higher m+ a mob rarely stands in EQ for its full duration. Many affixes require kiting. And in m+ LR is still the way to go. Due to the haste nerf we might have fewer LvB/PotM-procs, but overall we should see an AoE-Buff in m+. It might be even viable to use Liquid Magma Totem.

Regarding personality: A static overload of CL on a group of +5 mobs makes me feel so "Elemental" (or Sith-lordish) and unique in the current range-dd composition, that I absolutely don't understand, what you are talking about. The animations in Legion are awesome, proc-chains feel powerful (I had a 12 (!) ES-chain with the boots. I was just giggling for joy) and did you see that class-mount that is coming? Aside from ST damage in live, Ele is in a great shape

In conclusion, you have to choose between magma totem and EotE instead of EM.(With 4% haste lose. It's same 24% LV buff with LR build)
But EM is generally more powerful than both at every situation.
If you choose all of the talents for AOE, your single dps will be destroyed. and vice versa.

So you can't just choice AOE talents. Now, LR is very powerful talent because this talent is powerful at single and aoe,
Later, however, it becomes difficult to select talents in such a way.
LR is the property of choice when it is limited. generally AS or Icyfury will be chosen.
That's why I say that AOE dps has been reduced.

[Deleted]

I'm definitely seeing this as a buff to our aoe, the go to talent build for mythic+ will be this one:

http://www.stormearthandlava.com/ele...d-build-guide/

This is almost the same as what we currently run, the difference is we now have liquid magma totem instead of elemental mastery and 4% haste. Combined with the 4 second reduction on earthquake duration which is a pretty huge buff, we're definitely much stronger at aoe than we currently are. We would see a drop in single target dps by using this build over the old one but the buff to earthshock and lava burst damage should more than make up for it.

Meanwhile our single target raid options are much stronger than live.