"What is The Left willing to give up on?"

[Deleted]

Normally I post articles for discussion, but today I'm going to do something different: I'm just going to ask a question and see what comes back

The question is:

"What is The Left willing to give up, to compromise on, to change about its internal culture and beliefs?"

By that I mean, what are the negotiable beliefs that can be compromised on to bring the left back towards the middle where democracies will be more willing to trust and vote for Democrats/etc?

Some possible themes and areas:

- Abortion
- Reproductive rights
- Gay marriage
- Gender theory
- Political correctness
- Social welfare
- Cross-sectional feminism
- Climate change
- Obamacare
- Positive discrimination
- Capitalism vs socialism
- Censorship
- etc

A simple statement like "I think Democrats should give up on this area"

[GennGreymane]

Depends on the person.

[XangXu]

Hard choice since most of those things accelerate and progress the human species...

I guess i'd say "Abortion" since i'm pretty firmly against that... just not in the way conservative nut jobs are.

[Aggrophobic]

Normally I post articles for discussion, but today I'm going to do something different: I'm just going to ask a question and see what comes back

The question is:

"What is The Left willing to give up, to compromise on, to change about its internal culture and beliefs?"

By that I mean, what are the negotiable beliefs that can be compromised on to bring the left back towards the middle where democracies will be more willing to trust and vote for Democrats/etc?

Some possible themes and areas:

- Abortion
- Reproductive rights
- Gay marriage
- Gender theory
- Political correctness
- Social welfare
- Cross-sectional feminism
- Climate change
- Obamacare
- Positive discrimination
- Capitalism vs socialism
- Censorship
- etc

A simple statement like "I think Democrats should give up on this area"

Do you only see the world in black and wite?

[s_bushido]

Slavery.

Not being able to own people as property is just progressive big government interference into our lives, and it needs to stop.

[Darkeon]

I think they could give up their latest ideologies and stop alienating people away based on specific traits and feels. Namely what makes one call some the "Regressive Left".

I got little beef with most of their stances prior to that.

[sarahtasher]

And once again, the fact that what the usual suspects call ''the left'' is called ''Tories'' in other countries. The illusion that Hillary is a dangerous communist is almost cute, considering she was quite to the right of for instance our most conservative PM since Diefenbaker. What Bernie Sanders said was also quite bog standard European center left.

Yes, I will be very blunt here : what people calls ''Obamacare'' is called ''public healthcare'' and is bog standard normal in Western countries even for the far right Geert Wilders, Marine Le Pen, and co. are not against public healthcare.

[Deleted]

Hard choice since most of those things accelerate and progress the human species...

I guess i'd say "Abortion" since i'm pretty firmly against that... just not in the way conservative nut jobs are.

This is an answer but I think it probably needs more detail

Obviously myself bring pro-abortion, I'm curious how you would justify that stance

I think they could give up their latest ideologies and stop alienating people away based on specific traits and feels. Namely what makes one call some the "Regressive Left".

I got little beef with most of their stances prior to that.

More detail

But both these answers are actual answers, rather than angry deflections or non sequiturs, so well done for that

[Kalis]

- Abortion
- Reproductive rights
- Gay marriage
- Climate change
- Censorship

These are not really left/right issues for many. How they became so in certain parts of the world *cough*America*cough* is often more to do with religion than left/right politics.

- Social welfare
- Capitalism vs socialism

These are typically where the traditional left and right have differences.

- Gender theory
- Political correctness
- Cross-sectional feminism
- Positive discrimination

This is the crap the left has managed to find itself saddled with. We can but point and laugh at the misfortune of them being associated with that toxic crap.

[Kraenen]

They need to give up their homophobia (not homosexuals, but people who are similar to you), as well as their xenophilia.

[XangXu]

And once again, the fact that what the usual suspects call ''the left'' is called ''Tories'' in other countries. The illusion that Hillary is a dangerous communist is almost cute, considering she was quite to the right of for instance our most conservative PM since Diefenbaker. What Bernie Sanders said was also quite bog standard European center left.

Yes, I will be very blunt here : what people calls ''Obamacare'' is called ''public healthcare'' and is bog standard normal in Western countries even for the far right Geert Wilders, Marine Le Pen, and co. are not against public healthcare.

That's the problem. Americans live in their own world.


While the rest of the world realizes that healthcare is a right. America sees it as profit.

While the world works on binding and strengthening ties, America sees to sever them.

While the rest of the world worries about mental health and access to firearms, America embraces firearms and ignores mental health...

[JohnBrown1917]

Democrats are not left-wing, and the question is far to black & white.

Give up on what part of feminism?
PC? Left? huh? What does censorship have do with it? what kind of censorship?


...Climate change... what?

[sarahtasher]

Once again, most of the stuff called ''left'' by the usual suspects is noticably to the right outside the USA.

For instance, again, public healthcare and gun toting.

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They need to give up their homophobia (not homosexuals, but people who are similar to you), as well as their xenophilia.

''Xenophilia'' being a code word of course for ''fools that don't buy 50 guns because they are sure Mexican islamist terrorists are out to get them''

[Kalis]

And once again, the fact that what the usual suspects call ''the left'' is called ''Tories'' in other countries. The illusion that Hillary is a dangerous communist is almost cute, considering she was quite to the right of for instance our most conservative PM since Diefenbaker. What Bernie Sanders said was also quite bog standard European center left.

Yes, I will be very blunt here : what people calls ''Obamacare'' is called ''public healthcare'' and is bog standard normal in Western countries even for the far right Geert Wilders, Marine Le Pen, and co. are not against public healthcare.

What are usually referred to as the left in the US span from centre right to bat shit crazy left, they do not tally with what most countries call Tories, who typically span centre, centre right and right.

The US right spans centre right, right and probably-best-not-to-go-there right.

America has two parties where other countries have four or more, so your assessment is wrong.

[Deleted]

I will try to answer your question as well as I can, however the issue is that a lot of things you list in this list arn't black and white but rather a sliding scale. However things like either legal or illegal abortion are fairly black and white so I can answer these more easily.


- Abortion- No, abortions should be unrestricted untill 24 weeks & abortion clinics shouldnt receive undue burdens.
- Reproductive rights - Not sure what you mean by this tbh
- Gay marriage - No, should be legal across the US
- Gender theory - This is a very wide scale so it is hard to say what exactly you mean. If you mean ''should gender be seen as a scale rather than something binary'' I personally do think so but I would be willing to compromise on it
- Political correctness - This isn't only a left issue, however I don't feel the need to be particularly politically correct, so yes I would be willing to compromise on that
- Social welfare - Again this is a sliding scale
- Cross-sectional feminism - No idea what this even means (which you can interpret as ''Yes, I wouldnt mind giving this away)
- Climate change - I wouldnt want to compromise on the question if it exists or not (afaik that has been pmuch confirmed), however I wouldnt mind compromising on the specific policies intending to reduce carbon emissions
- Obamacare - I am not super attached to obamacare, as long as a different type of care program is established that gives good results I wouldnt mind replacing it
- Positive discrimination - They can scrap this for all I care
- Capitalism vs socialism - Afaik very little left wing people actually want full-blown socialism (if only because the definition of what socialism is varies wildly) so sure, I would be willing to compromise.
- Censorship - I think you assume that the left is a fan of censorship? Afaik this is more a dictatorship thing than a right/left issue, so I want as little of it as possible.

Hopefully that answers your question?

[Bodakane]

Normally I post articles for discussion, but today I'm going to do something different: I'm just going to ask a question and see what comes back

The question is:

"What is The Left willing to give up, to compromise on, to change about its internal culture and beliefs?"

By that I mean, what are the negotiable beliefs that can be compromised on to bring the left back towards the middle where democracies will be more willing to trust and vote for Democrats/etc?

Some possible themes and areas:

- Abortion
- Reproductive rights
- Gay marriage
- Gender theory
- Political correctness
- Social welfare
- Cross-sectional feminism
- Climate change
- Obamacare
- Positive discrimination
- Capitalism vs socialism
- Censorship
- etc

A simple statement like "I think Democrats should give up on this area"

The left is already in the middle. Our policies aren't the problem, it was Hillary. In fact, if we had went more left wit Bernie, Trump is a loser right now. If we put a Warren or a Booker, for example up next time, Trump is going to get destroyed.

Personally, its time to take a page out the Repub's book and give up on compromise. Its time to be obstructionist.

[Kraenen]

''Xenophilia'' being a code word of course for ''fools that don't buy 50 guns because they are sure Mexican islamist terrorists are out to get them''

No it actually means:

Xenophily or xenophilia means an affection for unknown/foreign objects or people. It is the opposite of xenophobia or xenophoby. The word is a modern coinage from the Greek "xenos" (ξένος) (stranger, unknown, foreign) and "philia" (φιλία) (love, attraction), though the word itself is not found in classical Greek.[1]

It has nothing to do with whatever you tried to come up with in your deranged mind. In the context of american politics it means someone who prefers non-americans and very likely non-whites.

[JohnBrown1917]

America has two parties where other countries have four or more, so your assessment is wrong.

We had around 45-50~ in our 1922 elections, take that, rest of the world!

[sarahtasher]

What are usually referred to as the left in the US span from centre right to bat shit crazy left, they do not tally with what most countries call Tories, who typically span centre, centre right and right.

The US right spans centre right, right and probably-best-not-to-go-there right.

America has two parties where other countries have four or more, so your assessment is wrong.

PM Stephen Harper was noticably to the left of Hillary Clinton on most questions. Marine Le Pen is noticably to the traditional left of Hillary Clinton on every single question save immigration.

[bladeXcrasher]

America has two parties where other countries have four or more, so your assessment is wrong.

My biggest gripe with my country right there...2 party system is what is failing the nation.