[Movie] Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

[eschatological]

There is no reason to have non-white non-males in that setting.

This is your (bigoted) perception of our current society and how its military is run, which isn't even correct, applied to a fictional universe where women and minorities have never been seen as inherently inferior.

And Mon Mothma is the Rebel Alliance leader who debriefs everyone in both IV and VI, I believe.

[Jotaux]

So what parts of this film made you feel it was socialist and SJW "garbage"?

This outlook that the film is anti white, anti male is perplexing to me. The film's plot is basically about how incompetent women in leadership roles and non white people are while the two white characters are the only ones of importance. Only the A plot matters in the film, the B plot just outlines how much damage the diverse cast does to the rebellion. While the film is taking a shit on non-whites and women, all these white people are patting it on the back for being so progressive. It boggles my mind.

[Kontinuum]

Meanwhile in Scotland...
https://www.scotsman.com/news/new-st...land-1-4650768

[Tackhisis]

And Mon Mothma is the Rebel Alliance leader who debriefs everyone in both IV and VI, I believe.

I've checked the subtitles, and there are no "Mon" or "Mothma" anywhere in Episodes IV..VI. How can I know the name of the character which is never named?

applied to a fictional universe where women and minorities have never been seen as inherently inferior.

There should be an in-universe explanation of that. It can be lame. But you cannot just transfer a modern US situation where the races are equal de jure, but do not intermingle due to de facto prejudices into a fantasy setting and expect it to work.

[Deleted]

I've checked the subtitles, and there are no "Mon" or "Mothma" anywhere in Episodes IV..VI. How can I know the name of the character which is never named?
There should be an in-universe explanation of that. It can be lame. But you cannot just transfer a modern US situation where the races are equal de jure, but do not intermingle due to de facto prejudices into a fantasy setting and expect it to work.

Less dishonesty next time.

[eschatological]

There should be an in-universe explanation of that. It can be lame. But you cannot just transfer a modern US situation where the races are equal de jure, but do not intermingle due to de facto prejudices into a fantasy setting and expect it to work.

I mean, I'm sorry things have to be explained to you so transparently. But even in the original trilogy, filmed in the 70s and 80s, a time not really known for equality in Hollywood, you had Princess Leia, a Senator's daughter, who was constantly subverting the damsel-in-distress trope. You had Mon Mothma, another Senator, leading the Rebel Alliance. In the prequels you had a Queen who became a Senator.

People always tout this nonsense, but never point out that like, 5 of the 7 people in the first scene of the First Order in TLJ on their destroyer are minorities or women. Finn was a minority and a Stormtrooper. A Stormtrooper captain was a woman. It's nonsense and selective bias showing left and right.

[shaunika123]

Go look at mad max behind the scenes and see how my cgi. Mad max was shot on locations for everything and used fucking heaps of cgi. The bitch about cgi is one of the most retarded and pointless ever. Starwars with cgi looks infinitly better than without. Also stop making claims that you cant back up. you have zero fucking clue how much was green screen and which wasnt.

I dont think I even said the word CGI in my post.

mad max used CGI to enhance the visuals

the prequels used CGI because lucas was too lazy to do anything else.




I mean just look at this shit.


I have no problems with CGI, I love CGI, without it some of my favourite films would not have been made. but when you use CGI because you cant be bothered to move out of your chair in your comfy studio, then you've got a problem.

[tyrlaan]

She's a young woman living in a frontier junk yard and she's not robbed and raped constantly. That is unlikely. She's also can fly the Millenium-Falcon and fight with a lightsaber with no previous training.
There is no reason to have non-white non-males in that setting.
The movie paints them "eevil" with no particular reason.
The portrayed characters (and setting, and events too) are so improbable and implausible so they are ridiculous and not pathetic or likable.

You could have just wrote "because I'm a bigot" and it would have saved you some time.

So someone is a Mary Sue because they didn't get raped?

And you want to have issues with non-white non-male characters in a movie franchise that has a walking carpet in a starring role and constantly lines up humans next to all sorts of alien creatures?

Seriously, GTFO.

This outlook that the film is anti white, anti male is perplexing to me. The film's plot is basically about how incompetent women in leadership roles and non white people are while the two white characters are the only ones of importance. Only the A plot matters in the film, the B plot just outlines how much damage the diverse cast does to the rebellion. While the film is taking a shit on non-whites and women, all these white people are patting it on the back for being so progressive. It boggles my mind.

Um... huh?

Poe's entire character arc is about learning to grow up from being Mr. Hotshot, a lesson pushed along by two competent female leaders - Leia and Holdo.

I can't even wrap my head around what happened in the B plot to lead you to the conclusion you have here.

[ohiostate124]

I think a lot of people miss the point of the Poe/Holdo feud. Both Poe and Holdo were flawed leaders in their own right. It ultimately served to make Poe a more complete one but Holdo had her own issues.

[Jotaux]

Um... huh?

Poe's entire character arc is about learning to grow up from being Mr. Hotshot, a lesson pushed along by two competent female leaders - Leia and Holdo.

I can't even wrap my head around what happened in the B plot to lead you to the conclusion you have here.

Theres a reason why the film has an odd skewing of audience demographics (higher than normal white audience, single digit % black audience.)

Poe's entire arc is about him getting 90% of the Resistance killed. Something that would not have happened had there been solid leadership in place. Instead they had a woman trying to be a smug not divulge anything, letting the hotshot pilot stew. You could say that she owed Poe nothing but a good leader would know that a person like Poe is not going to sit back and do nothing. Shes like the Trump of leaders: "I have a plan, its a good plan, the best plan! No I can't tell you what it is." So Poe sends Finn and the asian chick (the movie has her be so irrelevant I don't even know her name) to find some master code breaker. They can't even park their ship in the right spot (I guess its some dig at asian drivers). In their shear incompetence they grab some random person that will probably sell them out in a moments notice. Obviously they fail their mission because I guess they aren't white enough. Oh and they have the strong female villain be defeated by a janitor (oh surprise the janitor is black!) Of course none of this is actually relevant to the plot. The asian chick also stops Finn from saving the day, forcing Luke to throw his life away, exerting himself to death. They could have just had a throwaway line that the resistance was already looking for cloaked ships to explain how 90% of the resistance died. You could also throw in that Snoke (an alien) was killed off with ease with no meat to his story as well but I guess that depends on how racist you are to not consider non humans as people.

And while all this is going on the fate of the galaxy was being decided by the two white people.

[Aurrora]

I think a lot of people miss the point of the Poe/Holdo feud. Both Poe and Holdo were flawed leaders in their own right. It ultimately served to make Poe a more complete one but Holdo had her own issues.

The problem is there are people who's politics won't allow for Holdo to be seen as a flawed leader and keep coming up with convoluted excuses for her actions.

[tyrlaan]

Theres a reason why the film has an odd skewing of audience demographics (higher than normal white audience, single digit % black audience.)

Stats to back that up, especially in comparison to prior films?

Poe's entire arc is about him getting 90% of the Resistance killed. Something that would not have happened had there been solid leadership in place. Instead they had a woman trying to be a smug not divulge anything, letting the hotshot pilot stew. You could say that she owed Poe nothing but a good leader would know that a person like Poe is not going to sit back and do nothing. Shes like the Trump of leaders: "I have a plan, its a good plan, the best plan! No I can't tell you what it is." So Poe sends Finn and the asian chick (the movie has her be so irrelevant I don't even know her name) to find some master code breaker. They can't even park their ship in the right spot (I guess its some dig at asian drivers). In their shear incompetence they grab some random person that will probably sell them out in a moments notice. Obviously they fail their mission because I guess they aren't white enough. Oh and they have the strong female villain be defeated by a janitor (oh surprise the janitor is black!) Of course none of this is actually relevant to the plot. The asian chick also stops Finn from saving the day, forcing Luke to throw his life away, exerting himself to death. They could have just had a throwaway line that the resistance was already looking for cloaked ships to explain how 90% of the resistance died. You could also throw in that Snoke (an alien) was killed off with ease with no meat to his story as well but I guess that depends on how racist you are to not consider non humans as people.

I know you're trying really hard to explain how anti-everything but white males the movies was, but absolving Poe of all his misdeeds to prove your point shows you probably don't have one. Poe doesn't get a free ride because Holdo could have handled him differently. Her one mistake doesn't replace all of Poe's mistakes.

Not sure what evidence you have that Finn and Rose failed their mission because they aren't "white enough".

I'll give you that the whole Finn was a janitor thing isn't great, but it also doesn't jibe with what Finn is capable of doing. We've seen him fight and fight well in both movies now. I assume he says he was the janitor to downplay his role in the FO more than anything else. The movie consistently shows him as a capable combatant. Meanwhile Phasma is a borderline non-character who has done basically nothing in two movies and really should have stayed out of the picture if all they were going to use her for in TLJ was one fight scene.

And Rose stopped Finn from "saving the day" because she didn't want him to die, but yeah if you want to contort the movie into some weird pro-white gloryfest I guess you could interpret it the way you did.


Here's the thing, everyone in this movie fucks up. It doesn't matter if they're male, female, black, white, or alien. ALSO, everyone in this movie shows you they are capable individuals, and it doesn't matter if they're male, female, black, white, or alien for that either.

The problem is there are people who's politics won't allow for Holdo to be seen as a flawed leader and keep coming up with convoluted excuses for her actions.

She can fuck up and also not be incompetent. Folks seem to think it has to be one or the other.

[PACOX]

It hit 1 billi
http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/31/medi...ice/index.html

Only 3 weeks and its the 3rd highest earning movie of 2017, highest domestic.

[Tackhisis]

Less dishonesty next time.

Again, where is that woman in a stupid dress identified by name? Minute and second, please.

you had Princess Leia, a Senator's daughter, who was constantly subverting the damsel-in-distress trope. You had Mon Mothma, another Senator, leading the Rebel Alliance. In the prequels you had a Queen who became a Senator.

It's hard to impress anyone in the '70s' Europe with female senators. I haven't ever complained about that.

And you want to have issues with non-white non-male characters in a movie franchise that has a walking carpet in a starring role and constantly lines up humans next to all sorts of alien creatures?

Why are you equating human races with alien species?

[Kellorion]

Anyone else notice and love the way Andy Circus played Snook like Tywin from GoT?!?

[PACOX]

Anyone else notice and love the way Andy Circus played Snook like Tywin from GoT?!?

Seemed more like a kingpin from the coke era. Gold rob, fancy ring, stays in a penthouse suite, only cares about his bottom line.

[Aurrora]

Anyone else notice and love the way Andy Circus played Snook like Tywin from GoT?!?

So wait, you're telling me that Snoke's throne room was his "throne room"?

[Garnier Fructis]

I just saw the movie, loved it, and was finally ready to find out what all the fuss was about.

Read some articles that gave intricate explanations concerning character direction, disrespect to fan speculation, etc. Then I come here and see what it's really about: a bunch of crybabies whining about 'teh SJWs.'

[tyrlaan]

Why are you equating human races with alien species?

Star Wars has always shown that they treat a wookie no different than a human, so why is there a problem when a human cast member isn't white or male?

Read some articles that gave intricate explanations concerning character direction, disrespect to fan speculation, etc. Then I come here and see what it's really about: a bunch of crybabies whining about 'teh SJWs.'

Yup. Le sigh.

[Schmittay]

i prefer the one that had set rules and standards and reasons. Not disneys trash. Just cus its fiction doesnt make it all technobabble. But thanks for showing me your who they are marketing to.

You're coming off so cringe dude, and arguing about physics in a scifi movie that has never tried to be serious about it is one of the most stupidest things to argue about. You didn't like the movie, I get it, now sit back, relax, and move on. Your opinion doesn't need to be the right one.

Also Disney trash? I think they did a way better job then LUCAS FILMS did with the prequels. You're arguments are just so immature and not well thought out.