Legendary Jim Brown Impressed with Trump

[Tijuana]

Who is Jim Brown?

What is Google?

[God Save The King]

Clearly this is really about Trump to you. You are only discrediting Jim Brown because he said Trump was something other than the devil incarnate.

He has been quite a vocal actor in the arena of civil rights, and is respected by all of his peers. Your notion that all he ever did with his time was play football is shared by no one. He is 80+ and his career in the NFL was only 9 years.

He is a bigger man than you, because he is willing to give the president-elect a chance before he decides if he likes him or not.

Has nothing to do with Trump haha. You're clearly taking my opinion of this wash-up football star too seriously. A football star's opinion, to me, has very little value when it comes to governing and politics. I would feel the same way if he was praising Obama. The fact that, 50 years ago, he was a somebody does not magically place his opinion above questioning & criticism, and surely doesn't give it any more value or sway than a random person on the street.

Also, I'm not discrediting him, his opinion has some value, it just doesn't get extra value just because he once was relevant. Which is how the OP/article portrayed it. That was my issue with it. It's the same issue I take when actors, musicians, etc try to act like their opinion in politics has any real value because they know how to sing or act.

Trump had a chance, he flipped off all the people who voted for him when he put out his 100 day plan, his intended appointments, and his suggested cabinet members.

Washed up stars like this guy are trying to ride the popularity train.

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Who is Jim Brown?

Washed up football star who played half a century ago.

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My opinion about trump:

His upcoming goverment is made out of billionaires and generals. He is an alive parody as he created the Marxist nightmare of the "economic military complex" lead by bank managers, established economists and military. He is going to install what he fought in his campaign: The banks and the establishment ruling america. He lied to those voters that think he will punish the established economists and politicians. He infact includes them all in his new government.

People talk about right wing populism, while we in reality are watching the return of fascism. America is going to be ruled by a fascist. An old zombie has returned from old europe the americans only know about from a war they once won.

People talk about populism from "right and left" while acting as if both would do that, as if both were the same, which just isnt the case. There is no inhuman left wing populism which uses xenophobia and hatred against everything thats different.

Communism cant be a counter to the new fascism, as there just are no communists left. For the fascists, everything is "left" which is democratic, liberal, free minded. While there is no real left, in special in america, to oppose the upcoming threat.

"Fascism is the result of the crisis of our time. We even could have called it irrationalism". A quote from Benito Mussolini, leader of the italian fascists in the early 20th century. Yes, irrationalism once again rules the political decision and what they vote for, while they call it "post factualism" nowadays.

The hate for everything foreign, the fear against change, the disgust for the weakest (refugees), taking away rights from woman, loving the strong and powerful, the rage about the elite and the establishment those people want to destroy.. while they infact serve them really well, as in the case of trump, all that is exactly what mussolini talked about. The return of fascism in a modern shape in the early 21st century.

Even the myth of the "great past" and "making everything great again" based on the decadence of the current is nothing but fascism. Palinganesis. "Make america great again" is Trumps fascist palingenetic pattern.

"Fascism is the perfect symbiosis of political power and corporations". Yes, thats also a quote from Mussolini. Fascism give the anger of the people a goal. Its a placebo for inequality and injustice. Which are getting worse and worse in the neo liberal community nowadays. The rich are getting more rich, and the poor have to work 3 shifts a day to get enough money to feed their family.. THAT is reality, and not, that some mexicans cross the border and even would be some kind of threat to anyone.. while doing jobs no american ever would do.

People said, Trump wont win the primals. Ok, hey, just lets ignore him. People said, ah no, he isnt becoming president. And now, people say that it isnt all that bad as predicted.

Take a guess how it will evolve.

One of the worst ideas was, that Trump was an idiot. And even if i am a fan of michael moore, he is wrong of this. Thanks to the people in his team trump is extremely dangerous and smart. Too dangerous to act as if "its not a real big problem".

[Tijuana]

Has nothing to do with Trump haha. You're clearly taking my opinion of this wash-up football star too seriously. A football star's opinion, to me, has very little value when it comes to governing and politics. I would feel the same way if he was praising Obama. The fact that, 50 years ago, he was a somebody does not magically place his opinion above questioning & criticism, and surely doesn't give it any more value or sway than a random person on the street.

Also, I'm not discrediting him, his opinion has some value, it just doesn't get extra value just because he once was relevant. Which is how the OP/article portrayed it. That was my issue with it. It's the same issue I take when actors, musicians, etc try to act like their opinion in politics has any real value because they know how to sing or act.

Trump had a chance, he flipped off all the people who voted for him when he put out his 100 day plan, his intended appointments, and his suggested cabinet members.

Washed up stars like this guy are trying to ride the popularity train.

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Washed up football star who played half a century ago.

I give up on arguing Jim Brown with you. Let's talk about your REAL issue: Trump

I'm not sure who you are speaking for, but I assume it's Liberals. If your notion is that Trump should have put in an agenda and cabinet, that would please Liberals, I don't even know what to say, other than "elections have consequences".

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My opinion about trump:

His upcoming goverment is made out of billionaires and generals.

Did you cry foul when Obama put THE EXACT NUMBER OF GENERALS on his first cabinet?

Did you cry foul when Obama put a billionaire on his cabinet?

If you did, source please.

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Did you cry foul when Obama put a billionaire on his cabinet?

Yes. I did. I infact was even more anti american those days.

But Obama is no fascist as like trump. Trump, a bigot white billionaire, only calls billionaires, generals and bankers into his government.

[God Save The King]

I give up on arguing Jim Brown with you. Let's talk about your REAL issue: Trump

I'm not sure who you are speaking for, but I assume it's Liberals. If your notion is that Trump should have put in an agenda and cabinet, that would please Liberals, I don't even know what to say, other than "elections have consequences".

I don't have much of an issue with Trump. I respect the will of the American people, and you can look at my post history a bit after election time to discern my thoughts on him.

I don't believe he'll be as good for the country as Hillary would've been. I think he'll hurt/stagnate the class that voted for him.

I recognize that Trump was elected on a platform of trade renegotiation, tax cuts, anti-establishment, and preservation of industrial jobs. I disagree with all 4 of those ideas, but I acknowledge that America chose him (well, states chose him), I do not feel that his 100 day play, suggested appointments (like supreme court), nor his cabinet reflect any of those 4 points. I hope I am wrong, I would like to be very wrong about Trump. I'd like him to reinvigorate the industrial middle class, the rust belt, and help those who need it the most.

I still don't think his plans and actions are going to result in that. That's my only issue with Trump. I think he's going down the wrong path. For America's sake, I want to be wrong.

Naturally the Democrat's wouldn't have been much better to be fair, but under Obama we've returned from the recession, lowered interest rates, lowered unemployment, and provided (expensive) healthcare to many who didn't have it before. While continuing his practices wouldn't be the best, I do feel that it'd be better than Trump's plan.

I really wish we'd return to fiscal conservatism like we had post FDR through pre Reagan.

The reason I come off like a "liberal" is because I'm part of an unrepresented ideology in America. I'm very socially liberal and believe in a lot of socialist ideals. But I'm also a major supporter of fiscal conservatism.

Neither party represents fiscal conservatism. They both love to spend a butt load of money. Only one party is kind of socially liberal, so I'm stuck with them.

[Tijuana]

Yes. I did. I infact was even more anti american those days.

But Obama is no fascist as like trump. Trump, a bigot white billionaire, only calls billionaires, generals and bankers into his government.

It's almost like he is putting successful people in important roles. What a weird thing to do...

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It's almost like he is putting successful people in important roles. What a weird thing to do...

"Fascism is the perfect symbiosis of political power and corporations"
Benito Mussolini

[Tijuana]

I don't have much of an issue with Trump. I respect the will of the American people, and you can look at my post history a bit after election time to discern my thoughts on him.

I don't believe he'll be as good for the country as Hillary would've been. I think he'll hurt/stagnate the class that voted for him.

I recognize that Trump was elected on a platform of trade renegotiation, tax cuts, anti-establishment, and preservation of industrial jobs. I disagree with all 4 of those ideas, but I acknowledge that America chose him (well, states chose him), I do not feel that his 100 day play, suggested appointments (like supreme court), nor his cabinet reflect any of those 4 points. I hope I am wrong, I would like to be very wrong about Trump. I'd like him to reinvigorate the industrial middle class, the rust belt, and help those who need it the most.

I still don't think his plans and actions are going to result in that. That's my only issue with Trump. I think he's going down the wrong path. For America's sake, I want to be wrong.

Sorry but, this is just nonsense.

Please explain how on earth any human could think his cabinet was anti-trade renegotiation, anti-tax cut, anti-establishment, or anti-industry. Because putting business leaders on the cabinet hits all four of these out of the park, and his cabinet has a lot of business leaders on it.

[Dug]

Literally who? Trump is a jack ass regardless of who says he's cool. Bernie Sanders himself could call Trump a great dude and I'd still think he's a jack ass.

[Tijuana]

"Fascism is the perfect symbiosis of political power and corporations"
Benito Mussolini

"Communism is the perfect non-symbiosis of political power an corporations" - Tijuana the Great

Your notion that moving the needle in any direction away from Socialism, means that Trump is Mussolini is hysterical. Not funny, but hysterical, as in someone get the guys in white coats.

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In Bertholt Brecht’s poem, “War Has Been Given a Bad Name,” Brecht indirectly attributes the “military-industrial complex” as the primary cause of the devastating destruction in Europe which resulted during World War II.

At the end, nationalist bigotry combined with a focus on military and capitalist influence lead to war.

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Your notion that moving the needle in any direction away from Socialism, means that Trump is Mussolini is hysterical. Not funny, but hysterical, as in someone get the guys in white coats.

Bring up arguments then. And not ad hominem.

[Underverse]

Jim who?

I'm sorry, why are we supposed to care about this random guy's opinion? Does he hold some position of authority that would make his opinion more valuable than your average, low-information plebeian?

[God Save The King]

Sorry but, this is just nonsense.

Please explain how on earth any human could think his cabinet was anti-trade renegotiation, anti-tax cut, anti-establishment, or anti-industry. Because putting business leaders on the cabinet hits all four of these out of the park, and his cabinet has a lot of business leaders on it.

You cut out like half of my post. But okay.

So, you're acting like there's a binary choice. Either they're pro-establishment or anti-establishment, pro-industry or anti-industry. It's more of a spectrum to be fair.

I'm not going to go through each of his cabinet choices, but among them are established politicians, businessmen who have been working with and lobbying for politicians for decades, one with close ties to Russian governance, businessmen whose factories are overseas and would suffer from harsher trade deals under Trump, businessmen who took America's industrial jobs and moved them abroad, and the list of contradictions go on. Granted, they will most likely support a corporate tax cut, I'm not sure about a middle-class tax cut though.

Here's a little graphic on his current cabinet selections. It's a few days old so he may have appointed some of the last 6 positions. Edit: He picked Rep. Ryan Zinke for Secretary of Interior

[Tijuana]

In Bertholt Brecht’s poem, “War Has Been Given a Bad Name,” Brecht indirectly attributes the “military-industrial complex” as the primary cause of the devastating destruction in Europe which resulted during World War II.

At the end, nationalist bigotry combined with a focus on military and capitalist influence lead to war.

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Bring up arguments then. And not ad hominem.

My argument is that your are engaging in EPIC levels of hyperbole when you compare Trump to Mussolini. It's not ad hominem to point out that an argument is ridiculous.

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My argument is that your are engaging in EPIC levels of hyperbole when you compare Trump to Mussolini. It's not ad hominem to point out that an argument is ridiculous.

No, but it is ad hominem to act as if a well argumented opinion is the same as being lunatic.

And no, it is not ridiculuous to compare trump with the early fascists of the 20th century, as they came to power with the same methods.

[Tijuana]

No, but it is ad hominem to act as if a well argumented opinion is the same as being lunatic.

And no, it is not ridiculuous to compare trump with the early fascists of the 20th centurey, as they came to power with the same methods.

Your argument was not argued well, you just linked a Mussolini quote. Are you serious right now with this shit?

If your point is that Trump is more fascist than any US president we have seen in a while, then ok, that is a legitimate argument. But saying he is literally Mussolini is just off the charts in level of hyperbole.

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Your argument was not argued well, you just linked a Mussolini quote. Are you serious right now with this shit?

Completely. You are welecome to bring real arguments. But i just doubt you are able to.

If your point is that Trump is more fascist than any US president we have seen in a while, then ok, that is a legitimate argument. But saying he is literally Mussolini is just off the charts in level of hyperbole.

You are funny. More fascist. He is the first fascist president america ever had. Bush just was conservative.

Oh, and i never said Trump is Mussolini. I just quoted mussolini for fascism quotes.

[Tijuana]

Completely. You are welecome to bring real arguments. But i just doubt you are able to.



You are funny. More fascist. He is the first fascist president america ever had. Bush just was conservative.

Bush was in no way fascist. I have no idea why you think that.

If you think politics breaks down in to hard definitions like, this guy is 100% communist, and that guy is 100% fascist, you won't be able to keep up, sorry.

[Super Friendly Kitty Cat]

What's there to discredit? He's not the official spokesperson of black Americans, so his personal opinion hardly constitutes a final verdict on the matter.

Is there an official spokesperson of black Americans?