If the orcs never arrived to azeroth what would it be like now?

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If the orcs never arrived to azeroth what would it be like now?

[Aquamonkey]

"Indeed, if the orcs never make it to Azeroth, the Alliance will never form. Eventually civil war will break out, further weakening the human kingdoms. Ultimately the Burning Legion will invade Azeroth, destroying it in the absence of any defenders."

[ravenmoon]

"Indeed, if the orcs never make it to Azeroth, the Alliance will never form. Eventually civil war will break out, further weakening the human kingdoms. Ultimately the Burning Legion will invade Azeroth, destroying it in the absence of any defenders."

yep, from an in lore perspective, if the orcs don't arrive the burning legion wins, this is why the bronze dragonflight don't allow us to fix that error. The orcs arriving as destructive as it is, actually is destiny - according to the lore

yes it's completely screwed up and dark, the amount of insanity that has gone on on Azeroth is blindingly stupid, and they expect us to think the alternate timeline in the twilight of the aspects novel that Thrall visits is worse than what we actually got - there world is so much better. Intereting that people seem to be complaining that warcraft isn't dark enough, what is WRONG with some of them, they want it more like WARHAMMER --- are they crazy? the story is full of destruction carnage, loss, death, annihilation, you name it.

Ofc, from irl pov, if the orcs hadn't invaded Azeroth, the writers would have drummed up some other excuse for conflict.. if it was the real world, well, many of the things that led to war could very well and even likely have not. LOTR gets the balance quite nicely, you might have had something like that, it feels a lot more realistic in comparison.

[Army Dreamer]

If the orcs never arrived to azeroth what would it be like now?

It would be pwned by the burning legion.

[thesmall001]

yep, from an in lore perspective, if the orcs don't arrive the burning legion wins, this is why the bronze dragonflight don't allow us to fix that error. The orcs arriving as destructive as it is, actually is destiny - according to the lore

yes it's completely screwed up and dark, the amount of insanity that has gone on on Azeroth is blindingly stupid, and they expect us to think the alternate timeline in the twilight of the aspects novel that Thrall visits is worse than what we actually got - there world is so much better. Intereting that people seem to be complaining that warcraft isn't dark enough, what is WRONG with some of them, they want it more like WARHAMMER --- are they crazy? the story is full of destruction carnage, loss, death, annihilation, you name it.

Ofc, from irl pov, if the orcs hadn't invaded Azeroth, the writers would have drummed up some other excuse for conflict.. if it was the real world, well, many of the things that led to war could very well and even likely have not. LOTR gets the balance quite nicely, you might have had something like that, it feels a lot more realistic in comparison.

It's like with the Pandaren and the Mantid: The Alliance and the Horde just keep throwing themselves into conflict with one another and it keeps both sides strong so they can fight off the real threats.

[Telogrus]

The Burning Legion would destroy Azeroth, or Yogg-Saron would escape his prison and corrupt the world soul.

[Deleted]

Legion would have killed everything on the planet because the humans would had been lazy in warfare.

[Verdugo]

It's like with the Pandaren and the Mantid: The Alliance and the Horde just keep throwing themselves into conflict with one another and it keeps both sides strong so they can fight off the real threats.

Which is bullshit because such tactics could only possibly work with something that can replenish their numbers faster than they can spend them.

Obviously it was a panda that spat out such "wisdom" so we can blame it on some bad lolbrew.

For those interested,This is what really happens when above philosophy is set in motion.

[Combatbutler]

Which is bullshit because such tactics could only possibly work with something that can replenish their numbers faster than they can spend them.

Obviously it was a panda that spat out such "wisdom" so we can blame it on some bad lolbrew.

Indeed both cannot be compared, since the mantid and pandas didn't fight for decades until the next swarm.

OT

As other have said the humans would turn on one another and the races would fall divided. This is only absolutely certain for our universe though.

[McNeil]

This would actually make an interesting idea for a WoD 2.0 that takes place in AU Eastern Kingdoms where the orcs never invaded, with whole different outcomes to each kingdom. All the humans would have to find a way to fend off the Legions invasion without the help of the orcs. I could still see Blackmoore taking over Lordaeron by force, with Arthas ans Jaina fleeing to Stormwind where they prepare to retake his kingdom. The high elves would be pulled in the middle of their conflict and have to decide who they'll join. Dalaran would probably be imprisoned by Blackmoore, forcing the mages to do his bidding. Kingdoms like Gilneas, Stromgarde, Kul'Tiras would need to be persuaded to join your team.

[Combatbutler]

This would actually make an interesting idea for a WoD 2.0 that takes place in AU Eastern Kingdoms where the orcs never invaded, with whole different outcomes to each kingdom. All the humans would have to find a way to fend off the Legions invasion without the help of the orcs. I could still see Blackmoore taking over Lordaeron by force, with Arthas ans Jaina fleeing to Stormwind where they prepare to retake his kingdom. The high elves would be pulled in the middle of their conflict and have to decide who they'll join. Dalaran would probably be imprisoned by Blackmoore, forcing the mages to do his bidding. Kingdoms like Gilneas, Stromgarde, Kul'Tiras would need to be persuaded to join your team.

Blizzard demonstrated, that they can't handle AU stuff decently so they better not touch it for a loooooong time.

[Traveler Voltin]

Which is bullshit because such tactics could only possibly work with something that can replenish their numbers faster than they can spend them.

Obviously it was a panda that spat out such "wisdom" so we can blame it on some bad lolbrew.

For those interested,This is what really happens when above philosophy is set in motion.

pandaren vs mantid was every 100 years

[Verdugo]

pandaren vs mantid was every 100 years

How does it apply to the AvH conflict exactly.

[Friendlyimmolation]

The legion would waste the planet

[Flurryfang]

Hmm i don't really know. As many in here says, the orcs were crusial for defending off the legion at the battle of mount hyjal.... But they also did alot of things to make us weaker. They killed Cenarius, destabalized the human kingdoms and weakeaned them up undtil the Scourge. They proberly also moved much needed focus towards them, when the plaque hit Lordearon, which maybe could have been stopped if the northen kingdom had it as its only threat.

The world would be very different, but i don't know if it would be for the worse..... Maybe the Horde/orcs would have fought against the Legion and kept them away from Azeroth long enough for the humans to join naturally up with the Kaldorie.

[Rhlor]

Hmm i don't really know. As many in here says, the orcs were crusial for defending off the legion at the battle of mount hyjal.... But they also did alot of things to make us weaker. They killed Cenarius, destabalized the human kingdoms and weakeaned them up undtil the Scourge. They proberly also moved much needed focus towards them, when the plaque hit Lordearon, which maybe could have been stopped if the northen kingdom had it as its only threat.

The world would be very different, but i don't know if it would be for the worse..... Maybe the Horde/orcs would have fought against the Legion and kept them away from Azeroth long enough for the humans to join naturally up with the Kaldorie.

Without the orcs the alliance would never have formed and the human kingdoms would have fought each other

[Sam the Wiser]

No body knows. Legion auto-winning isn't for certain. Warcraft villains only know how to jobber at the last minute anyhow.

[Flurryfang]

Without the orcs the alliance would never have formed and the human kingdoms would have fought each other

Well the humans did not really do much in helping against the Legion. Remember they got pretty much wiped out before the legions arrival by the Scourge and just became fodder for the Legion army. Maybe this human faction-war would have killed off Medivh and the demons would have to have found a completly new way onto Azeroth.

[Combatbutler]

No body knows. Legion auto-winning isn't for certain. Warcraft villains only know how to jobber at the last minute anyhow.

It is a certainty for the Main universe, which is precisely why we stop the inifinite dragonflight from meddling with the timeline to begin with. Whether the orcs are as crucial to different azeroth's is up for debate though.

[pateuvasiliu]

Without the Horde, the Darkspear and Tauren would go extinct. Archimonde would destroy the World Tree.

Then the Old Gods take over.