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We don't want some skinny nerd! We want Russia to stop supporting Russian operatives in Ukraine and to give back Crimea! *sheesh*
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/10/russi...-nbc-news.html
U.S. intelligence has collected information that Russia is considering turning over Edward Snowden as a "gift" to President Donald Trump — who has called the NSA leaker a "spy" and a "traitor" who deserves to be executed.
That's according to a senior U.S. official who has analyzed a series of highly sensitive intelligence reports detailing Russian deliberations and who says a Snowden handover is one of various ploys to "curry favor" with Trump. A second source in the intelligence community confirms the intelligence about the Russian conversations and notes it has been gathered since the inauguration.
Snowden's ACLU lawyer, Ben Wizner, told NBC News they are unaware of any plans that would send him back to the United States.
"Team Snowden has received no such signals and has no new reason for concern," Wizner said.
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2017-02-11, 07:28 AM #1The Undying
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Russia Returning Snowden to U.S. to ‘Curry Favor’ With Trump: Official
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2017-02-11, 07:30 AM #2Old God
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This will make Assange like Bella Twilight, he's stuck in a love triangle from hell. Will he chose #TEAM PUTIN or #TEAM SNOWDEN?
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2017-02-11, 08:01 AM #3Elemental Lord
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Curry favour or distract from Flynn?
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2017-02-11, 09:16 AM #4Banned
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Kind of hard to imagine what kind of offer Trump would have to do to make it possible...
Extradition treaty with Russia perhaps?
Get criminals off US soil to face justice charges in Russia?
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2017-02-11, 09:18 AM #5Deleted
So more rumors posted as news. Can we stop with fake news please?
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2017-02-11, 09:36 AM #6Void Lord
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I doubt they'll send Snowden, if only to avoid scaring off future opportunities, but I wouldn't be surprised if something similar occurs.
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2017-02-11, 09:44 AM #7Fluffy Kitten
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2017-02-11, 12:38 PM #8Deleted
Isn't against the rules to post tabloid speculations as "news"?... wtf is "cnbc"? there's so many weird US names... msnbcrtivjhehehksdhakdhskdhsk and msabclekjhthekekhke and lets not forget about cnntbcglpuketwe
http://www.rt.com/news/374039-zakhar...en-gift-putin/
Snowden just got his asylum extended, surely won’t be ‘gifted’ to Trump – Moscow.
18 Jan, 2017 03:31
The Russian Foreign Ministry has slammed the “ideology of betrayal” promoted by former CIA director Michael Morell who suggested Edward Snowden be presented as the “perfect inauguration gift” from Vladimir Putin to Donald Trump.
In an op-ed published Sunday in the The Cipher Brief, Morell called on Putin to circumvent the non-extradition principle and deliver Snowden to the US. The former NSA contractor is charged with espionage and theft of government property and faces up to 30 years in prison in the US.
“Noon on January 20th provides an excellent opportunity for Russian President Vladimir Putin to give President-Elect Donald Trump the perfect inauguration gift – Edward Snowden,” Morell wrote. “I'm well aware that Russia does not have an extradition treaty with the US, but I am confident that President Putin is creative enough to find a way within his own legal system to deport Snowden.”
The former CIA chief argued that it is in Putin’s interest to expel the US’s most wanted, as it would help Trump to “overlook Moscow's anti-democratic activities at home and destabilizing activities abroad.”
He also reasons that such extradition would be a “poke… in the eye of [Putin's] adversary Barack Obama.”
Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson, Maria Zakharova, responded sharply, saying that Russia does not betray its principles and does not hand out “gifts”.
“But seriously, the essence of what the [former] CIA [chief] is proposing, is the ideology of betrayal,” Zakharova wrote. “It is clear that, for the CIA-man's firm, it is normal to present people as gifts and give up those who seek protection.”
“You failed to understand Russia, Michael Morell,” Zakharova stated implying that Russia among its many principles, does not surrender those who might be unfairly prosecuted in another country.
Snowden, 33, disclosed mass surveillance programs used by the US intelligence services in 2013. He was then granted an asylum in Russia for one year, which was later extended to three years. Snowden's asylum was due to expire in 2017, but Zakharova confirmed that his asylum renewal has been secured.
With that said, Zakharova mocked the fact that the “former deputy head of the CIA… doesn't know that Snowden has had the deadline for a residence permit in Russia extended for a couple more years.”
The spokeswoman also noted that this was not the first time that Morell has made “misanthropic, inhumane statements.”
She remembered one of Morell’s interviews in August 2016, in which he claimed the United States should make Iranian and Russian soldiers “pay a price” for their involvement in the Syrian conflict. He called on the US to arm local groups and instruct them to kill Iranian and Russian personnel in the country.
Just before Zakharova issued her statement, Snowden’s lawyer Anatoly Kucherena called Morell’s suggestion to extradite his client to the US an “utter nonsense.”
“These statements coming from the former CIA head are stirring mixed feelings and can be seen only as a kind of utter nonsense, there is hardly any other way to put it,” Kucherena told RIA Novosti.
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2017-02-11, 02:04 PM #9The Undying
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Meh, a bunch of forum Russians show up to deny it. Now we know it's true.
Anyone who knows the politics of Russia knows that Snowden has always been nothing more than a card Putin was holding on to for future play. Putin doesn't care about Snowden's rights as a whistle-blower, and Snowden knew that. That's exactly why he went to Russia. He's been a chess piece for Putin the moment he set foot on Russian soil.
He was just biding time and hoping that the US political system wouldn't care enough to bargain for his return.
Unfortunately for him, Trump got elected.
The Russians already got all of the data in Snowden's hard drive so did the Chinese..
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2017-02-11, 02:35 PM #10Immortal
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You think they're doing this because they fear Trump's volatility or want to attack someone? Why else would they care about favor?
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2017-02-11, 02:37 PM #11The Lightbringer
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Keep your friends close but your enemies closer?
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I could imagine Putin stringing Trump along with a false alliance until the right moment to strike arises. Trump is a puppet.
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2017-02-11, 02:39 PM #12Banned
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Because nations that are treated fairly tend to at least try and not step on each others toes? Originally Posted by dextersmith
Russia deserves a spot at the table and they are trying to make a good impression to get it.
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Strike at what? Originally Posted by XangXu
The States?
That would be suicidal for Russia.
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2017-02-11, 02:41 PM #13Bloodsail Admiral
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Why on earth would Russia fear the USA? they have more ground power, more nukes (more powerful nukes at that which they could use both defensively and offensively in dire circumstances) and I don't know if you've heard but the last "Powerful" armies that tried to attack Russia failed, horribly despite their ego believing they could win. Originally Posted by dextersmith
If Putin wants anything it'll be sanctions lifting and the USA to look the other way as it screws the Ukraine royally, nothing more.
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2017-02-11, 02:41 PM #14Banned
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In a war, it wouldn't even be close. One does not need to invade Russia to beat them. Originally Posted by Turaska
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2017-02-11, 02:44 PM #15The Undying
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*shrugs* Originally Posted by Turaska
Why did the USSR break up? It said unequivocally that they lost the Cold War.
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2017-02-11, 02:47 PM #16I am Murloc!
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CNBC (Consumer News and Business Channel) is NBC's mostly financial channel. Many of the major networks have minor channels, like FX is a subdivision of FOX Originally Posted by Ser Arthur Dayne
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2017-02-11, 02:49 PM #17Bloodsail Admiral
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If that was true, they'd already have been brought to heel years ago. Originally Posted by Machismo
At any rate, Trump may not even be relevant soon, seems they 'might' have started the impeachment process.
http://www.theroot.com/could-this-be...ess-1792247885
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/norman..._14674200.htmlLast edited by Turaska; 2017-02-11 at 02:51 PM.
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2017-02-11, 02:49 PM #18Immortal
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I meant economical volatility. He wouldn't sweat a war because Trump pissed off his allies. Originally Posted by Turaska
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2017-02-11, 02:52 PM #19Bloodsail Admiral
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If Russia hands back Snowden, I wouldn't be surprised to learn the next day that master negitiator Trump agreed to take down the entire missile shield to make that deal happen.
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2017-02-11, 02:53 PM #20Bloodsail Admiral
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Originally Posted by dextersmith
Ah ok, in that case yea, Putin doesn't like it when you mess with money.... he raged pretty hard when the EU sanctioned him(russia) for the Ukraine involvement.Last edited by Turaska; 2017-02-11 at 02:56 PM.
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