fps drops - gpu or cpu fault ?

[Proskill]

i have gtx 1070 and some games such as total war warhammer can drop below 30 fps in certain circumstances like looking at cities etc.
im using i5 6600 3.30ghz

the video card is top shelf and yet i cant play a game from 2016 at 60fps. in case like this how can i tell if its gpu or cpu fault ? what graphic options reduction could possibly solve that ?

[blackmartin]

There's a number of things that could come into play. One thing would be tell us the rest of your computer's specs: RAM, Power Supply, Do you have an SSD as your main drive? Personally 3.3 seems low for a newer generation CPU, I still have my i7 2600k CPU that runs at 3.4 stock, but overclocked to 4.4 with minimal overheating due to my heat sink/fan setup. Which another point, have you downloaded a temp monitor (evga tuner works great for beginners) so you can see if your CPU/GPU are running hotter then average (anything over 79 Celsius is higher then it should be under normal use).

All of those questions aside, it could be something as simple as you running to high of a resolution with only 1 graphics card (2550 X or 4K settings are very hard to process on max settings, even for very expensive rigs). Fiddle with anti-aliasing settings, shadows, and any moving particle effects. Those are traditionally bandwidth hogs that don't drastically effect the overall High Res look of a game but may slow you down.

[mittacc]

Strategy games are usually limited by the cpu. That said, if you're unsure you could just monitor both the cpu and gpu while playing and then determine by that. HW monitor is a free such program.

[Arbiter]

Worth asking. Have you done a clean install of the drivers since getting that GPU? That being running Display Driver Uninstaller and then updating to the latest drivers?

The WoW problem doesn't concern me as much as the less than 60 fps in games from last year. That is unless you're playing at like 4K or something.

[Slicer299]

Look at any benchmarks for Warhammer and you'll see it can be a CPU bound title. It's one of the titles reviewers use a lot for the Ryzen testing for this very reason. Here is Gamer's Nexus testing for the Ryzen 5 reviews, you can clearly see that Warhammer benefits greatly from both additional cores/threads and higher clock speeds. With just 4 cores and an extremely low clock speed of just 3.30ghz, your 6600 is holding you back a lot.



But your low frames are right in line with their testing, their 6600K dropped as low as 35fps at it's lowest point during testing.

[pansertjald]

There's a number of things that could come into play. One thing would be tell us the rest of your computer's specs: RAM, Power Supply, Do you have an SSD as your main drive? Personally 3.3 seems low for a newer generation CPU, I still have my i7 2600k CPU that runs at 3.4 stock, but overclocked to 4.4 with minimal overheating due to my heat sink/fan setup. Which another point, have you downloaded a temp monitor (evga tuner works great for beginners) so you can see if your CPU/GPU are running hotter then average (anything over 79 Celsius is higher then it should be under normal use).

All of those questions aside, it could be something as simple as you running to high of a resolution with only 1 graphics card (2550 X or 4K settings are very hard to process on max settings, even for very expensive rigs). Fiddle with anti-aliasing settings, shadows, and any moving particle effects. Those are traditionally bandwidth hogs that don't drastically effect the overall High Res look of a game but may slow you down.

He can't OC it. It's the non K version and it is 3.3 GHz stock, but it can boost to 3.9 GHz

[Proskill]

There's a number of things that could come into play. One thing would be tell us the rest of your computer's specs: RAM, Power Supply, Do you have an SSD as your main drive? Personally 3.3 seems low for a newer generation CPU, I still have my i7 2600k CPU that runs at 3.4 stock, but overclocked to 4.4 with minimal overheating due to my heat sink/fan setup. Which another point, have you downloaded a temp monitor (evga tuner works great for beginners) so you can see if your CPU/GPU are running hotter then average (anything over 79 Celsius is higher then it should be under normal use).

All of those questions aside, it could be something as simple as you running to high of a resolution with only 1 graphics card (2550 X or 4K settings are very hard to process on max settings, even for very expensive rigs). Fiddle with anti-aliasing settings, shadows, and any moving particle effects. Those are traditionally bandwidth hogs that don't drastically effect the overall High Res look of a game but may slow you down.

16gb ram, have ssd but dont have total war installed on it. i run 1920x1080 ofc. turned off antialiasing completely.

cpu seems to run at about 70% when i alttab quickly out of the game. playing in fulscreen

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cpu and gpu around 50-60 celsius

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thats just shitty cpu it seems. if k version is literally the worst in that chart, i have even worse the non-k

[blackmartin]

Yeah your temps are all normal, you have more then enough ram, and I'm assuming your windows is running off the main SSD which means everything but your CPU is fine. Honestly if your having lag spike then you might need to update your drivers, or your CPU 3.3mhz is what is bottlenecking your rig

[schwarzkopf]

Might sound odd, but do you run Chrome?

If so, completely close Chrome down (including in the background) - see if it helps.

[Proskill]

no i use firefox. graphic drivers always up to date.

i spent most of my rig money on 1070 as its significantly better than 1060 (not as much as 80 over 70) and put a "fine" cpu since the guy i was building at (shop owner) told me processors didnt make much leap in technology as graphic cards did. that its all quad cores now, increase in power is rly small compared to gpus.
that was in november before ryzen announcement, but anyway i wouldnt be able to afford it as its really expensive.
actually looking at it now my i5 6600 is still pricey, i thought its cheaper for such crap

your thoughts on this ? any (relatively) cheap solution to improve my cpu, so i can actually make use of gpu ? its holding me back from enjoying total war fuck
this is the thing i had low expectations gamewise cause i mainly play blizzard games, they are not demanding and yet i wanted to get 1070. now i have it but cpu sucks for everything else

[Deleted]

I don't think there is a relatively cheap solution available, maybe consider selling the current CPU and putting that money towards the 7700k / 7600k? or even cheaper the 6700k / 6600k.

[Proskill]

well i read and one guy here mentioned that my cpu can be boosted to 3.9ghz.
i have never done this before, nor overclocking (apparently not the same thing)

any more info on this ? could it break ? i dont think so since its stock option even mentioned in the product specifications
how could i do it ?

edit: also is ryzen better than top intel cores like 7700k ? intel is 4.4ghz and ryzen 3.8 but 8core right ? in the end better or worse ?

[Rokom]

well i read and one guy here mentioned that my cpu can be boosted to 3.9ghz.
i have never done this before, nor overclocking (apparently not the same thing)

any more info on this ? could it break ? i dont think so since its stock option even mentioned in the product specifications
how could i do it ?

edit: also is ryzen better than top intel cores like 7700k ? intel is 4.4ghz and ryzen 3.8 but 8core right ? in the end better or worse ?

Your CPU can't be manually overclocked since it isn't a K version, but it should automatically boost to 3.9 ghz in certain situations. If you just open up task manager you should be able to see if it boosting, if it is disable for some reason you can re-enable it in the BIOS.

For gaming, Intel will usually be better since most games only use 2-3 core effectively and Intel CPUs have higher IPC (instructions per cycle) and higher clock speeds, although there are a few games that are more effective at using more cores where Ryzen can take the performance lead.

What motherboard do you have? If it's a Z170 or Z270 model, you could just get a 6600K/6700K/7600K/7700K CPU and an aftermarket air cooler and overclock those for a performance boost. If it's an h or b series motherboard, then even if you swapped in a new CPU, you wouldn't be able to overclock it.

[Proskill]

MSI H110M PRO-D, H110, DDR4, SATA3, USB 3.1, mATX (7996-019R)

[Rokom]

MSI H110M PRO-D, H110, DDR4, SATA3, USB 3.1, mATX (7996-019R)

Yeah, that motherboard is unable to overclock, so if you do want to make any kind of worthwhile CPU upgrade you would need a new MoBo as well.