1. #421
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    Did Calanthe keep a ton of girls of other ethnicities in her court? Can't recall reading that in the novels or the saga. So, really? Why would Geralt assume that the one girl looking a little different, where that different look would be sharing a skin tone (and other ethnic traits, probably) with her foreign father might be indeed his child? Why indeed, just boggles the mind

    And it's not like he resigned because he thought their child wasn't there at all, that Calanthe wouldn't risk it at all and as such fighting her over it would be pointless. Changing it to Geralt having reasonable suspicion that Pavetta's child was there and still getting the fuck out without even confronting her about it, let alone without the child in, would totally not be a different outcome (that would heavily influence Sword of Destiny and Something More). Because, like you claimed, it had no repercussions on the story at all /s

    And even if Calanthe arranged it so that all of the girls shared the same mixed ethnicity as Ciri, it would still be a change from Geralt assuming that none of them is Calanthe's grand-child to "welp, any of them could be, too much effort, I gotta run" which still shits on his character in that scene.

    Also, really? Geralt wasn't expecting a child? What, he can't count how old Pavetta's and Duny's child was going to be when he visited?

    And that fictional world was still heavily inspired by Polish folklore, other European myths and culture. So go figure.




    A specific difference in skin-tone matching that of her father with supposedly different skin-tone on the other hand would stick out.




    How about you shove that bullshit projection where the sun doesn't shine? You shouldn't have pulled it out of there in the first place. Did I say it's about them being white for the sake of being white? No. It's about being true to the source material. That is the most important thing.

    Especially since the casting, if true, is about non-specific minority. It'd be one thing if they just had a specific vision for Ciri and had to sacrifice being true to that material to achieve it. "Black or Asian or any other minority" is not a specific vision. It's a sign of nonsensical pandering. Changing things just to pander to some group deserves no hope, let alone praise.

    Back to your BS projection, did I say I don't care about the Polish series? No. The Polish series was an unholy abomination. Precisely because of how it treated the source material (among other things, Żebrowski's acting didn't help much either).

    So hit and miss on your part.
    1. there were darker skinned people in Europe this entire time, yes even in Poland
    2. as per article I have linked - they DO have a very specific vision for Ciri and other characters, judging by their character summaries.
    3. you yourself mentioned that Geralt wasn't expecting a GIRL.

    but hey, keep raging over RUMORED casting for one character, a character that does have wiggle room for what she looks like, becasue 1. canonically descriptions of what she looked liked other then eyes, hair and scar - vary, and 2. is not full Cintran.

    wait... are you expecting that Elves must also be all white? why? why would they be?

    Sapkovzkiy himself is very supportive in diversity for the show, because his SOURCE material IS in fact diverse in terms of cultures AND appearances for the people appearing in it. but yeah, sure.. its totally about respecting source material, nothing else could be a problem here. /s

  2. #422
    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    1. there were darker skinned people in Europe this entire time, yes even in Poland
    Dunno about "Europe", but there were about three dark-skinned people in medieval Poland.
    All of them were members of the entourage of kings or princes and kept as pets, living their lives confined to the court.
    There were no people of color living in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenho View Post
    Dunno about "Europe", but there were about three dark-skinned people in medieval Poland.
    All of them were members of the entourage of kings or princes and kept as pets, living their lives confined to the court.
    There were no people of color living in the country.
    nah man, for every white person in medieval Europe there were at least 2 minorities, don't you know? That's what progressive history wants you to believe at least. Yes, black/brown/asian people were actually found in Europe but mostly in port towns, or as slaves, or both.

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    What i dont get is, isnt henry a big witcher fan??? didnt he read the book??? why is he okay with this????

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    I thought tokenism was considered a bad thing lol?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pppbroom View Post
    So what's wrong with having someone black if he or she's good? The whole thing about adding black faces into movies matters as we all should really stop making differences between us, people, just because someone has a different color, gender, sexual preferences or whatsoever. And don't tell me that 'there were no black people in middle ages', you can always find a way to put in. You're being passive aggressive racist.
    So why can't black panther be white or asian? There is white africans, its even more asians than white people in the world......

    The thing is they said they'll follow the books so closely that geralt will be clean shaven dandalion will have his polish name, but ciri?nah she can be black
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  7. #427
    Why not make Ciri a fat dark-skinned man? By the logic of some posters here it wouldn't affect the story in the slightest. Oh, let's take the opportunity and make Geralt a young asian lady, Yennefer a latina.

    Let's keep Triss as a token white character but change her gender to male(or transgender, we never know) because we need token characters. To keep things close to the source material, Geralt would have to be bisexual and Yennefer a lesbian (which would bring even more diversity, that's great).

    Suddenly we have a ridiculous cast, completely out of touch with the setting it's supposed to be set in.

    There is no stopping changes when a precedent is set.

    We should respect the source material and honor the story it is meant to tell.
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  8. #428
    Quote Originally Posted by pppbroom View Post
    You don't get invited to parties often, do you?
    If not for movies or youtube you wouldn't know how they look like and I'm not talking about your wokesh parties where all you do is talking about a tramp and how "oppressed" you are...

  9. #429
    I want a "crouching tiger, hidden dragon" reboot with a diverse cast!
    black people, mexcians, white people (of course evil), 1 or 2 asian max. all with different sexual id from pans to trans to asexual, all kung fu fighting in ancient china.

    Chinese are the second most oppressive race behind white people. So Couching Tiger, Hidden Dragon is NOT OK without a progressive reboot!

  10. #430
    Making the kingdom Ciri's parents and Granny comes from a different ethnicity seems like a very easy thing to do. Or even just the dad.
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    this video may make some people happy. Tryout for Ciri have come to Poland so they may actually cast a polish actor.
    Last edited by Orby; 2018-09-12 at 12:23 PM.

  12. #432
    First it was casting all the red heads as black women.
    Now cast the people with weird hair color as black women.
    Watch out anime girl with pink, purple, blue, green hair, black women coming for you next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moadar View Post
    Its not the problem of Ciri's race. Its what they casting choice means for the series. This is done when someone takes an existing story then guts it and uses the name recognition to try and tell their own story(or push an agenda). I don't understand why people don't write their own stories and develop their own lore. I guess because it takes work and creativity and its just easier to hijack something else and change it.
    Because that's what an adaptation is. What's the point of making a movie or TV series if it is going to be exactly the same as the books and/or games? That's just boring. The books already exist. Wouldn't it be more interesting to see someone take the source material and tell their own version of the story? Keep the same overall structure but change some of the details around and make something new that fans can still recognize as The Witcher, but not just tell the exact same story they already know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rageadon View Post
    So why can't black panther be white or asian? There is white africans, its even more asians than white people in the world......

    The thing is they said they'll follow the books so closely that geralt will be clean shaven dandalion will have his polish name, but ciri?nah she can be black
    Because Black Panther's race is an important part of his character. To make him white or asian would significantly alter who he is. Now, I have never read any of the books and only played The Witcher 3 but never finished it, but it does not seem to me that the color of Ciri's skin is an important part of her character. When adapting an existing work, changing a character's race only matters if their race is a large part of said character's identity. Like I said, in the case of Black Panther his race is very important to who he is but lets take another comic book character. If you were to say, change Daredevil and make him an asian or hispanic man, would that really change his character? Sure, there would probably be some minor changes to his backstory or the way some other characters may interact with him, but he would still maintain all the important aspects of his character. Matt Murdock could still be the son of a boxer who as a child was blinded in an accident and then went on to be a lawyer who fights for the little people in court by day and fights crime as The Daredevil in Hell's Kitchen by night. Not being white would not change any of that.

  14. #434
    Well, Daredevil being Irish, Catholic and working class is integral to his character, his skin color is irrelevant but his heritage is not.

  15. #435
    Well Witcher universe has their own races. They don't have 'asian' so asian features could be used to describe elf features. Ciri is said to look a lot like her elf ancestor and she does have elder blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    my amazing theory is that there is WIGGLE ROOM when it comes to Ciri
    No, there isn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    becasue we canonicaly have conflicting descriptions of her, its kinda the point.
    No, we don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Witchblade77 View Post
    Sapkovzkiy himself is very supportive in diversity for the show, because his SOURCE material IS in fact diverse in terms of cultures AND appearances for the people appearing in it. but yeah, sure.. its totally about respecting source material, nothing else could be a problem here. /s
    Yeah, about that. He'll be supportive of anything now, after he lost a fortune by dismissing CDPR's royalties offer when they first came to him.
    Last edited by Darkis; 2018-09-13 at 11:47 AM.

  17. #437
    Very happy about Henry Cavill playing. He's a gamer, said he loves the Witcher, he's also a WoW player, comicbook fan... He's the hottest nerd on the planet.
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    Blizzard do what the players want all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skizzit View Post
    Because that's what an adaptation is. What's the point of making a movie or TV series if it is going to be exactly the same as the books and/or games? That's just boring. The books already exist. Wouldn't it be more interesting to see someone take the source material and tell their own version of the story? Keep the same overall structure but change some of the details around and make something new that fans can still recognize as The Witcher, but not just tell the exact same story they already know.
    Soooo, fan fiction? No thanks.


    Quote Originally Posted by Skizzit View Post
    Because Black Panther's race is an important part of his character. To make him white or asian would significantly alter who he is. Now, I have never read any of the books and only played The Witcher 3 but never finished it, but it does not seem to me that the color of Ciri's skin is an important part of her character. When adapting an existing work, changing a character's race only matters if their race is a large part of said character's identity. Like I said, in the case of Black Panther his race is very important to who he is but lets take another comic book character. If you were to say, change Daredevil and make him an asian or hispanic man, would that really change his character? Sure, there would probably be some minor changes to his backstory or the way some other characters may interact with him, but he would still maintain all the important aspects of his character. Matt Murdock could still be the son of a boxer who as a child was blinded in an accident and then went on to be a lawyer who fights for the little people in court by day and fights crime as The Daredevil in Hell's Kitchen by night. Not being white would not change any of that.
    Let's see... Her father, Emhyr, is white. Her mother, Pavetta, is white. So for the sake of making Ciri black we gotta switch one of the former too, right? Why stop there, let's have Chris Rock casted as Geralt, Carrot Top as Yen and Grumpy Cat as Dandelion.

    There is a whole freaking dark-skinned race in the lore - Zerrikanians - Netflix can easily write a new interesting character in the plot, but changing established source material, because reasons - it's just idiotic.

  19. #439
    Quote Originally Posted by Loveliest View Post
    Well Witcher universe has their own races. They don't have 'asian' so asian features could be used to describe elf features. Ciri is said to look a lot like her elf ancestor and she does have elder blood.
    Mother and Father was humans

    http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Pavetta
    http://witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Emhyr_var_Emreis

  20. #440
    To people spouting none sense. No even in the book ciri look is not ambiguious at all. She is Royality for crying out loud. Her parents looks the same race as the common folk of that area. If you want to make her black, the entire Royality have to change too, also have to change the story to either everyone being black or for some reason black folks controlled those slavic folk.

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