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    Quote Originally Posted by D3athsting View Post
    If you discover an exploit and you're so idiot to stream it then you deserve a ban

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    Because blizz didn't ban paragon in dragon soul for the lfr loot exploit, they didn't (perma)ban the guild that hacked the floor of aq40 to get fast to c'thun or ensidia for saronite bomb exploit on hc lich king, after all it was pve content, right?
    MMO vs a shared world experience your comparison holds no ground my guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasiru View Post
    You can champion a known exploiter in multiple games all you want but you won't see me doing it. Admittedly yes they should fix the bugs/glitches of course. But there are guys like this one that also actively go looking for ways to exploit and when their audience comes in and tells them about an exploit they run right out and do it, as well as teach others how. It's not just Anthem, it's other games too. I don't know, maybe it's just me being in the minority now because I actually have morals....

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    Yes, of course, because every other game on the market is flawless except this one. Whether it's a bug or not, exploiting in a game AND most importantly teaching others how to do it is cheating. Grow up.
    It's a goddamn video game. Since when can a developer decide what you can and can't do once you get your hands on it? Oh wait. In the last few years since now this nonsense with DRM and constant connectivity. You had better do exactly as the developer intended or you will get a ban!

    I don't care what the fucking streamer did. Because what he did doesn't affect others in the game. They could have just patched it and moved on. The fact that publishers think that they can tell you what you can do in their single player games is fucking bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    MMO vs a shared world experience your comparison holds no ground my guy.
    WoW's instances are no more "shared world" than anything in Anthem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    It's a goddamn video game. Since when can a developer decide what you can and can't do once you get your hands on it? Oh wait. In the last few years since now this nonsense with DRM and constant connectivity. You had better do exactly as the developer intended or you will get a ban!

    I don't care what the fucking streamer did. Because what he did doesn't affect others in the game. They could have just patched it and moved on. The fact that publishers think that they can tell you what you can do in their single player games is fucking bullshit.
    If it were a single player game I'd agree, but its not. And this most certainly WOULD affect people down the line, maybe not now, but when they implement leaderboards it going to certainly affect things if they just let people exploit without consequence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    If it were a single player game I'd agree, but its not. And this most certainly WOULD affect people down the line, maybe not now, but when they implement leaderboards it going to certainly affect things if they just let people exploit without consequence.
    The cheese he was doing resulted in dead instances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaelleria View Post
    The cheese he was doing resulted in dead instances.
    I mean, that part is bioware's fault, there's no way that doing that should have made dead instances for others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    WoW's instances are no more "shared world" than anything in Anthem.
    You can trade items in WoW. There is an auction house. There is an in game economy. Anthem has none of that. Progression is entirely linear and done yourself. No comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    It's a goddamn video game. Since when can a developer decide what you can and can't do once you get your hands on it? Oh wait. In the last few years since now this nonsense with DRM and constant connectivity. You had better do exactly as the developer intended or you will get a ban!
    This has been the case for a long, long time in online games. If not the developers than the server hosts (who pay for the servers you play on, just like the developers pay for the Anthem servers you play on).

    And no, it's usually pretty simple. Don't be an asshole to others and don't abuse obvious exploits/bugs that were not intended and you'll be fine. They're online games played with others, so a certain level of game-world integrity is expected, even if there's no trading or anything like an economy.

    As games become more like MMO's (it's what these shared world titles are tip-toeing towards) that means MMO rules and behavioral expectations come along with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    I don't care what the fucking streamer did. Because what he did doesn't affect others in the game. They could have just patched it and moved on. The fact that publishers think that they can tell you what you can do in their single player games is fucking bullshit.
    Anthem isn't a single player game.

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    Ok guys....i came across the Audio Bug 10 hours into the game.
    Happened first time
    restarted
    (...)
    Happened 3 more times

    I really hope they fix this issue.
    More people are having problems as shown:
    here
    and
    here

    Hope they fix this (--__--)
    DAMMIT why did this only started 10 hours into the game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Togabito View Post
    Ok guys....i came across the Audio Bug 10 hours into the game.
    Happened first time
    restarted
    (...)
    Happened 3 more times

    I really hope they fix this issue.
    More people are having problems as shown:
    here
    and
    here

    Hope they fix this (--__--)
    DAMMIT why did this only started 10 hours into the game?
    It's frostbite, has something to do with audio overload.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    This has been the case for a long, long time in online games. If not the developers than the server hosts (who pay for the servers you play on, just like the developers pay for the Anthem servers you play on).

    And no, it's usually pretty simple. Don't be an asshole to others and don't abuse obvious exploits/bugs that were not intended and you'll be fine. They're online games played with others, so a certain level of game-world integrity is expected, even if there's no trading or anything like an economy.

    As games become more like MMO's (it's what these shared world titles are tip-toeing towards) that means MMO rules and behavioral expectations come along with them.



    Anthem isn't a single player game.
    It also doesn't have an economy, so how can you exploit something that doesn't exist?

  11. #5551
    Quote Originally Posted by EyelessCrow View Post
    It also doesn't have an economy, so how can you exploit something that doesn't exist?
    It's going to have a leaderboard, doesn't matter if there's no trading or economy, they can't just let them slide until then, they have to ban from day one for exploiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Togabito View Post
    Ok guys....i came across the Audio Bug 10 hours into the game.
    Happened first time
    restarted
    (...)
    Happened 3 more times

    I really hope they fix this issue.
    More people are having problems as shown:
    here
    and
    here

    Hope they fix this (--__--)
    DAMMIT why did this only started 10 hours into the game?
    They've fixed like 3-4 instances where it occured in previous patches but the bug is more widespread than one would think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EyelessCrow View Post
    It also doesn't have an economy, so how can you exploit something that doesn't exist?
    I acknowledged it doesn't have an economy. But it does screw with the intended progression path for players. Developers generally design around assumptions (including based off of real time metrics once live) of how much currency etc. folks have, this helps determine things like how much in-game currency a new item will cost or how much currency should be rewarded from new activities. Having a whole lot of folks swimming in currencies while others are on the normal progression path either leads to the currency being totally useless to those who exploited so it's unrewarding or they price it well above what normal players have to bleed currency out of folks inventories.

    Either way, it's an online game. You're playing on their servers and you're not paying for continued access. You play by their rules and use common sense, it's really not asking much of players. Especially considering that you're going to be getting free content in return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    MMO vs a shared world experience your comparison holds no ground my guy.

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    It's a goddamn video game. Since when can a developer decide what you can and can't do once you get your hands on it? Oh wait. In the last few years since now this nonsense with DRM and constant connectivity. You had better do exactly as the developer intended or you will get a ban!

    I don't care what the fucking streamer did. Because what he did doesn't affect others in the game. They could have just patched it and moved on. The fact that publishers think that they can tell you what you can do in their single player games is fucking bullshit.
    MMO versus a shared world has something to do with his statement? You've lost your mind. I'm sorry but if you don't know that exploiting is basically cheating, regardless of it being a single player or multiplayer game or PVE or PVP, then I don't know what to tell you. Since when can a developer tell you what to do with their game?? This isn't something that has just been around the last couple year. Have you not seen an EULA in a game before? I'm sure like most people you just clicked agree and went about your business but there are some things in there they tell you not to do. This isn't just a matter of you playing a game offline in the privacy of your own home either, which they probably wouldn't care so much about. This guy was actively teaching his streaming audience how to use the bugs to exploit the game. That is just not cool.

    Again, maybe it's just me, but I don't cheat in games or use exploits, that's not my style. But if you want to be a cheater and/or support one you go right ahead...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasiru View Post
    MMO versus a shared world has something to do with his statement? You've lost your mind. I'm sorry but if you don't know that exploiting is basically cheating, regardless of it being a single player or multiplayer game or PVE or PVP, then I don't know what to tell you. Since when can a developer tell you what to do with their game?? This isn't something that has just been around the last couple year. Have you not seen an EULA in a game before? I'm sure like most people you just clicked agree and went about your business but there are some things in there they tell you not to do. This isn't just a matter of you playing a game offline in the privacy of your own home either, which they probably wouldn't care so much about. This guy was actively teaching his streaming audience how to use the bugs to exploit the game. That is just not cool.

    Again, maybe it's just me, but I don't cheat in games or use exploits, that's not my style. But if you want to be a cheater and/or support one you go right ahead...
    You deserve to be banned from a single player game for cheating? Okay buddy. Glad to see how downhill we've gotten from 10 years ago. Unbelievable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    You deserve to be banned from a single player game for cheating? Okay buddy. Glad to see how downhill we've gotten from 10 years ago. Unbelievable.
    Unless the cheat costs 10 bucks, in that case its a micro transaction!
    Pay-2-Win?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    You deserve to be banned from a single player game for cheating? Okay buddy. Glad to see how downhill we've gotten from 10 years ago. Unbelievable.
    Anthem is not a single player game.

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    If you exploiting can affect other people playing the same game then yes, you should be punished.

    In regards to Gladds case I'd most likely also ban him. I'd probably not perma-ban him but a ban nonetheless.

  19. #5559
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Cheese View Post
    You deserve to be banned from a single player game for cheating? Okay buddy. Glad to see how downhill we've gotten from 10 years ago. Unbelievable.
    It's not just the fact that he was cheating (in a multiplayer game, not single); it's the fact that he was knowingly teaching others how to do it, not just using it himself. He may not have even been caught if not for making videos about it and streaming it on twitch, which in addition is not only against EA/Bioware's terms of service but also Twitch's. He could have been suspended from twitch too. Heck he could have even had his entire EA game library removed.

    Here's the thing you're not even considering. One of his exploits that he kept doing over and over is the Tyrant Mine stronghold where you die and the stronghold resets. When he and his squad does this, apparently it causes the stronghold to bug out for others playing the game. So not only is he teaching others how to cheat, he is also messing the game up for other players...

    But it's interesting to find out you think people getting in trouble for intentionally doing something they aren't supposed to as somehow humanity going downhill... What's unbelievable is that there are people that thinking cheating is ok. "well, it's just a video game...." Yeah, ok.

    By the way, this is directly from EA's TOS:

    6. Rules of Conduct

    When you access or use an EA Service, you agree that you will not:

    Use exploits, cheats, undocumented features, design errors or problems in an EA Service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baconeggcheese View Post
    This is probably one of the biggest things people overlook with the game. The gearing and builds can change drastically depending on what rolls you've got on your items because inscriptions get absolutely ridiculous.

    Its like if you don't have something visual like the big talent tree that PoE has then the game is automatically shallow.

    Random inscriptions don't make game much deep tho. It works for diablo 3, but they also have set bonuses and "fixed" bonuses (so you can expect what you get from an item, instead of getting... i don't know, loot pickup range?) while it also changes how you build your character (because you almost always want to build your character around items you've got, just like in anthem in this case, but in diablo or poe there is much more of customization going on)

    Also having something visual like the big talent tree (Game: Allods online. Fun thing that some players were cheering when talent trees were removed from the WoW, were boasting about their talent trees, but it didn't made game deep enough to keep players... you know... playing, because there is always that build that everyone expects you to play, because it iz best.) isn't an indication of deep game. But PoE is definitely more deep than anthem right now (and that's coming from someone who finds PoE to be a cheap overhyped diablo rip-off)
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