Battle for Azeroth Alpha/Beta General Discussion

[Alixie]

You wouldn't need to tell her that or coerce her. Why? If she had been happy to just stay on her own, she could have easily done so, just like she's been doing for the last few years. If undead with free will want a community there's very little choice, but it's not like they have to choose community.

They're going to have to have a very good explanation why she's suddenly pro-horde, trusts Sylvannas, and is engaging in necromancy. Especially since Sylvannas cursed Lillian to undeath to be a weapon in the first place. Every quest with her is either neutral or telling the forsaken to piss off.

Tess was also very nicely at home in the rogue hall, but I wouldn't believe for a second she's not Alliance.

The point is that Voss has other communities to join if she wants one. It's coercion to tell her that she has nowhere to go except the Forsaken, knowing that new undead have little choice to begin with.

[Arbs]

War Campaign was available on the Horde, but now not available only had time to start 2 of the zones. Wish I would of got 3rd one done.

[Deleted]

I hope they update tradewind harbour more, going from the horde base to the empty alliance one feels sad. Innkeepers standing outside huge inns ud love to go inside.

Also I wonder if they will open up proudmoor keep, all just doored off atm

[Shizari]

That bloke in the red shirt over there told me I "wasn't canon." Well, obviously! I'm a mariner, not a cannon!

Tandred has sent my sides into orbit.

[Valysar]

Looks like a Lilian Voss thread now... Can you just make a new one please?

[Hitei]

"Lilian: But... there is a bond in this curse, shared by all Forsaken. A bond that makes us family in this torment. A family that will never go away."
"Lilian: I made a promise to ask Sylvanas to bring him back. The Horde I believe in honors promises."


... This doesn't sound like Voss at all. She's never even been affiliated with the Horde/Forsaken. Ugh, I hate where this story is going right now.

This.

What a dumb fucking move. Her entire character was about despising undead and after she dealt with the Scarlets she turned to freelance undead hunting. Now she's trying to convince people to follow the person cranking out undead?

Yes, she was. Alliance had Tess Greymane instead of Lillian. She was a Horde only follower.
In Cataclysm she didn't even join the Forsaken in the first place, but tried to rejoin the Scarlets. She didn't succeed and went freelance for a while, alone. Why is it so bad that she wants to be part of something again? And there's only one place she can go if that's what she wants.

Because there are dozens of neutral factions in the game and she has continuously been about working alone? Why on earth would she go to the faction that is the antithesis of her entire character rather than say, the Argents (who accept good-aligned undead and would be happy to have an undead hunting specialist) or Dalaran, where she'd be perfectly welcome, or just stay part of the Uncrowned and neutral like Ravenholdt.

Sylvanas is literally the last person she should be helping out, especially when Sylvanas appears to be raising more undead than ever before.

[Deleted]

They're going to have to have a very good explanation why she's suddenly pro-horde, trusts Sylvannas, and is engaging in necromancy. Especially since Sylvannas cursed Lillian to undeath to be a weapon in the first place. Every quest with her is either neutral or telling the forsaken to piss off.

Pro-Horde is not such a stretch. Trusting Sylvanas is something else completely and her telling the Forsaken to piss off is entirely my point. She told them to piss off and they did! They didn't threaten her, they didn't chase her down, they even helped her, when she needed them. Then she told them to piss off again and they did! And then they helped her again... and so on. How on earth can she not at any point see that maybe they aren't all bad and she has a home with them if she so desires?
What we need an explanation for is why she actually raises undead now. That I would like to know too.

The point is that Voss has other communities to join if she wants one. It's coercion to tell her that she has nowhere to go except the Forsaken, knowing that new undead have little choice to begin with.

But noone tells her this. I think that's just the conclusion she came to. And what other communities would she have? The order halls are history. And she can remain part of the rogue order and join the Forsaken at the same time, which some other Forsaken did too as we saw in Legion.
But all the orders will probably only communicate very secretly after the war breaks out. You know, meeting with the enemy you're supposed to kill is treason, you should not get caught doing that. So I doubt very much the halls will be the same after the battle for Lordaeron and Teldrassil burning. So it won't be much of a community anymore.

[Gawdzilla]

found a snippet in the dialogue between sylvanas and nathanos that bothers me a little
"<sylvanas begins to depart, then hesitates and looks over her shoulder.>
farewell, nathanos."

this sounds like she's not expecting to come back or expecting him to not come back. Whichever it is, i don't like it.

*sylthanos feels intensifies*

[GoodUsername55]

This.

What a dumb fucking move. Her entire character was about despising undead and after she dealt with the Scarlets she turned to freelance undead hunting. Now she's trying to convince people to follow the person cranking out undead?

Did you actually expect blizzard to write better than this? lul

[Hitei]

But noone tells her this. I think that's just the conclusion she came to. And what other communities would she have? The order halls are history. And she can remain part of the rogue order and join the Forsaken at the same time, which some other Forsaken did too as we saw in Legion.
But all the orders will probably only communicate very secretly after the war breaks out. You know, meeting with the enemy you're supposed to kill is treason, you should not get caught doing that. So I doubt very much the halls will be the same after the battle for Lordaeron and Teldrassil burning. So it won't be much of a community anymore.

The order halls are not history. Most of them were not formed during legion. The Uncrowned already existed prior to Legion and will continue to exist long after that. Just like the Earthen Ring, Valarjar, Monk order, Council of Black Harvest, Cenarion Circle, Illidari, etc.

She isn't a lonely little kid. She's a professional undead hunter who prefers working alone and has much better options if she wanted to work with others than Lich King 2.0.

Did you actually expect blizzard to write better than this? lul

I expect them to do dumb things on occasion. I didn't expect to see them literally 180 a character on their primary motivation and belief system for zero reason at all. This would be like Illidan suddenly talking about how the Legion has the right idea and we need to destroy all the worlds, or Malfurion suddenly working with the Satyrs and saying that the Nightmare is actually pretty alright and might be better off spreading.

[Deleted]

This.

What a dumb fucking move. Her entire character was about despising undead and after she dealt with the Scarlets she turned to freelance undead hunting. Now she's trying to convince people to follow the person cranking out undead?



Because there are dozens of neutral factions in the game and she has continuously been about working alone? Why on earth would she go to the faction that is the antithesis of her entire character rather than say, the Argents (who accept good-aligned undead and would be happy to have an undead hunting specialist) or Dalaran, where she'd be perfectly welcome, or just stay part of the Uncrowned and neutral like Ravenholdt.

Sylvanas is literally the last person she should be helping out, especially when Sylvanas appears to be raising more undead than ever before.

She is not, by any stretch 'good aligned'. If the Argents wouldn't kill her, the Brotherhood of Light most certainly would. And the Argents don't actually exist anymore, at least not in the shape they were in before Legion. Dalaran is right, she could stay with the Kirin Tor, but she doesn't actually have ties to them. She can stay with the Uncrowned, but where and what good would she be there if she wasn't an agent for them in any major faction... oh!

[FlubberPuddy]

Sooo.. anything else interesting/worth discussing added on the Alliance side? Or is it Horde all the time like usual when it comes to discussions? :P

Heard there's High Elf NPCs (Spellweavers) as part of Alliance Warfronts with a major NPC ayyyy High Elves showcased alongside Alliance again

[Hitei]

She is not, by any stretch 'good aligned'. If the Argents wouldn't kill her, the Brotherhood of Light most certainly would. And the Argents don't actually exist anymore, at least not in the shape they were in before Legion. Dalaran is right, she could stay with the Kirin Tor, but she doesn't actually have ties to them. She can stay with the Uncrowned, but where and what good would she be there if she wasn't an agent for them in any major faction... oh!

It's not about being """good aligned""". If you hadn't noticed, the Argents don't even attack the Forsaken who are plaguing the land right next to them and raising the dead. She is a proficient undead hunter who is perfectly willing to work with neutral groups and has dedicated her life to fighting the Argent's two biggest enemies, Undead and the Scarlet Crusade.

Yeah, man. What good would an extremely proficient agent capable of operating alone for extended periods of time in the field be to the uncrowned? After all, no one has value if they aren't spying on one of the factions, It's not like Ravenholdt-... It's not like Tethy--.. It's not like Taosh--... Oh wait. Half of their leadership aren't involved in either faction, because why the hell would they need every agent to be a spy? She isn't a spy, she's a hunter.

There's no way the uncrowned would want a neutral rogue who was perfectly willing to lend a hand in dealing with undead. No, I'm sure they just kicked her out afterwards.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Did she say anything during the horde rogue campaign? Sadly you didn't get her as alliance and instead got tess greymane sd the boring chore champion.

[Tyron]

Just did the Battle for Lordaeron on the horde side and it was great, an overall improvement of the broken shore scenario imo. It seems to have a lot of cutscenes (which are not available obviously), and I did it quite fast considering we were just a party of 2. Pre-patch can't come fast enough

[derpkitteh]

Did she say anything during the horde rogue campaign? Sadly you didn't get her as alliance and instead got tess greymane sd the boring chore champion.

she says nothing until you recruit her, and then she's got a tiny bit more dialogue in the mount quest.

other than that, nothing. nothing to ever show her moving more towards the horde.

[Cosmic Janitor]

she says nothing until you recruit her, and then she's got a tiny bit more dialogue in the mount quest.

other than that, nothing. nothing to ever show her moving more towards the horde.

Okay, I had hoped they would have explained at least a little bit there..

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Just did the Battle for Lordaeron on the horde side and it was great, an overall improvement of the broken shore scenario imo. It seems to have a lot of cutscenes (which are not available obviously), and I did it quite fast considering we were just a party of 2. Pre-patch can't come fast enough

The alliance one is quite the drag at some places, especially the robot spider part takes ages since these deal so little dps and saurfang is just a meme fight to piss off melee classes, as he literally oneshots melee with his meme cleave..

[Tyron]

The alliance one is quite the drag at some places, especially the robot spider part takes ages since these deal so little dps and saurfang is just a meme fight to piss off melee classes, as he literally oneshots melee with his meme cleave..

The Anduin fight as horde is annoying as well. He has this mega-bubble around him which always disorients if you are inside or close enough.

[Meanshield]

can anyone actually log onto the alpha? I havent been able to since the latest build.

[Shizari]

Sooo.. anything else interesting/worth discussing added on the Alliance side? Or is it Horde all the time like usual when it comes to discussions? :P

Well, Tandred Proudmoore is canon, but that got buried under the Voss drama lol