So if BoS is going away in 7.3, what spec do we play?

[mmowin]

Are Frost DKs going back to machine gun spec or is there a new spec that might come out of all these new changes? I just don't know how frost can work without the burst of BoS.

[Dalamian]

Are Frost DKs going back to machine gun spec or is there a new spec that might come out of all these new changes? I just don't know how frost can work without the burst of BoS.

None of these changes are even up on the PTR yet, so you can theory craft all you want but the simple truth is we don't know what these changes are going to do in practice.

Blizzard can say what they are trying to accomplish but we'll have to wait and see until the changes hit PTR and then the final tuning will be a week or two after it goes live

[Deleted]

The new spec will be machinegun (talents) with BOS, cause still in 100 lvl talent tier, BOS will be outperform HRW and Obliteration(lol)

[murbaez]

I thought i read that BoS was getting buffed? It might not actually go away. However, it won't last nowhere near as long as it used to since the talent changes and what not. So i will be a major blow to it's effectiveness, but i do believe that it will still have some uses. I just hope that they decide to at least lower the cd a bit. It's nice that they're adjusting [nerfing] it, and making the other talents more viable, but i hate that it seems like they build a spec perfectly around something, then decided to kill it with a nuclear bomb. Curious to see how it turns out as well, DK's have been fun this expansion to me because i haven't felt like needing an alt to change the pace of the game. Just switch to the FoTM spec and there's that. lol

[Deleted]

I thought i read that BoS was getting buffed? It might not actually go away. However, it won't last nowhere near as long as it used to since the talent changes and what not. So i will be a major blow to it's effectiveness, but i do believe that it will still have some uses. I just hope that they decide to at least lower the cd a bit. It's nice that they're adjusting [nerfing] it, and making the other talents more viable, but i hate that it seems like they build a spec perfectly around something, then decided to kill it with a nuclear bomb. Curious to see how it turns out as well, DK's have been fun this expansion to me because i haven't felt like needing an alt to change the pace of the game. Just switch to the FoTM spec and there's that. lol

How is buffing something by 37% a blow to it's effectiveness?

[Deleted]

How is buffing something by 37% a blow to it's effectiveness?

Cause you can not fuel it with HRW (only with ERW), cause they will be in the same talent tier, cutting its duration down to 20-25 sec at best

[Dalamian]

Cause you can not fuel it with HRW (only with ERW), cause they will be in the same talent tier, cutting its duration down to 20-25 sec at best

And given the huge buff to its damage it will probably be just fine, you won't need to stick on a boss for 45 secs to make it worthwhile

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Cause you can not fuel it with HRW (only with ERW), cause they will be in the same talent tier, cutting its duration down to 20-25 sec at best

And given the huge buff to its damage it will probably be just fine, you won't need to stick on a boss for 45 secs to make it worthwhile

[Bisque]

With the changes so far, I think BOS will still be the winner. Yea you aren't getting the 45+second bos anymore but you are still getting a CD that hits decently hard. With obliteration, yes an extra 2 seconds is nice but unless they do something about naturally occurring rime procs and km procs, I don't see the new obliteration being that much better than the current obliteration. As for HRW, the 20% haste is nice but I am not sure if it really fits the "oomph" of being a 100 level talent.

[taek]

It's not really going to be MG either.

The particulars of MG was that the #3 damage source was Frozen Pulse, which is activated by having fewer than 2 runes, and using FScy to empty your runes along with OB. But they've put Frost Scythe and Frozen Pulse on the same tier.

RA & Icy Talons was also important to MG, and they've put both of those on the same talent tier.

TBH, it looks like they've just destroyed all synergies in the talent tree and just given everything a 27% damage buff to compensate.
So just roll your face on the keyboard and wait for Blizzard aura buffs.

Whatever comes out of it, looks less interesting than BoS OR MG.

[Spryte]

Unholy

/10c

[Deleted]

What spec should I play?
The one you like.

[Hctaz]

It's already been stated in the thread but yeah.. it seems like they're crushing all of the synergies that we had before for both builds. Not sure what we're going to be doing now but it might just result in Blizzard killing us entirely lol. Hopefully they just buff the shit out of us to compensate for all these changes.

[RuneDK]

It's already been stated in the thread but yeah.. it seems like they're crushing all of the synergies that we had before for both builds. Not sure what we're going to be doing now but it might just result in Blizzard killing us entirely lol. Hopefully they just buff the shit out of us to compensate for all these changes.

The passive Aura went to 25%....but i dont get the point of destroyign synergy....isn't that a good thing? All they had to do was make MG a viable alternative to those who hate BoS and it would've been fine...but...these devs man...i got no respect for them and im pretty much done with the game going forward.

[Hctaz]

The passive Aura went to 25%....but i dont get the point of destroyign synergy....isn't that a good thing? All they had to do was make MG a viable alternative to those who hate BoS and it would've been fine...but...these devs man...i got no respect for them and im pretty much done with the game going forward.

I think it's a frost dk thing for some weird reason. The only time they didn't immediately gut an unintended gameplay style was the masterfrost build that was used from Firelands until Legion. Not sure why it took them so long to gut it.

[Frolk]

maybe BoS will be useable in mythic raids now, as in do good dmg AND able to deal with mechanics without losing out on 50% of ur dps cuz u had to move for 5sec

[Hctaz]

maybe BoS will be useable in mythic raids now, as in do good dmg AND able to deal with mechanics without losing out on 50% of ur dps cuz u had to move for 5sec

I mean it's possible to do both fine anyway right now. Our damage just kinda sucks. The value of Breath decreases pretty drastically after 26 seconds in with t20.

[RuneDK]

I think it's a frost dk thing for some weird reason. The only time they didn't immediately gut an unintended gameplay style was the masterfrost build that was used from Firelands until Legion. Not sure why it took them so long to gut it.

I've played Frost since wotlk, and it's consistently been at the bottom....yes there have been tiers where during progression it was amazing....but by the end of the tier it went to garbage tier...I'm kind of over this rollercoaster. And these changes(while untested for me personally) aren't making me want to continue playing.

[Raiz]

Just take a break bro... All the messages I've read from you is often you whining about Frost being bad. I don't know why I went and read that thread, because I was 90% sure you'd be complaining about the 7.3 changes and blizzard with how they're tuning the frost gameplay.
You know, It's blizzard. They're always changing the spec. BoS wasn't mean to be here for a long time. But still, it went on for like what ? 6 months ? That's pretty huge if you ask me.

[Deleted]

BOS now hits harder (about 30%), but is shorter. I have been playing chest/bracer anyways, maybe switch to belt/ bracers now. So BOS wasnt that long for me anyways. On FA i activated HRW+BOS after 1-2 OBs... so BOS uptime is shorter. Additionally there are massive buffs to frost. They might easily overcompensate the nerfs.

[Deleted]

Frost will be a dead spec in 7.3 unless it outdpses unholy by quite a bit. The huge "immigration" of frost to the unholy side wont be reversed otherwise, even if they are the same dps wise.