WoW players that switched to FFXIV, I need your opinions

[Eleccybubb]

It's basically warcraft but it's not pleb friendly and requires you to put time, as well effort to truely get anywhere. Granted it's easier now than it was in ARR (and before that was a nightmare) but basically WoW is a normalfag filter with content that treats you like you're a retard. FF14 demands proof you're retarded and expects you to get better.

Also the devs mainly cater to the opinion of the Japanese audience so you don't have to worry about western politics or extreme casualization.

FF14 1.0 doesn't count. That entire game was a mess and had a different dev team.

Also ARR had loads of gearing options. Coil, Dungeons, Tome gear and Crafted gear.

Plus LOTA came in 2.1 with decent left side gear.

I agree it's easier than ARR to gear but ARR itself was quite easy too.

And that is one of their few shortcomings imo. Catering to one portion of the customers. Because even that portion has been critical of Eureka this expansion which was supposed to be "FF11 nostalgia" and quite frankly is awful. You should NEVER cater to just one side of your audience with a game like this.

[Super Kami Dende]

It's basically warcraft but it's not pleb friendly and requires you to put time, as well effort to truely get anywhere.

Ehh. not really true. I hit max level as a SAM, bought a bunch of Crafted Greens from the Auction house and was doing OS within a couple of weeks. Wasn't any more intense than WoW to be fair. Apart from the really grindy side options of gearing like the new Eureka stuff, not much else felt out of reach for a fairly casual player.

I killed Kefka and was progressing on high Savage V's as a pretty casual raider. Even the Magicite dungeon crawling for easy leveling added a ton of easy ways to level.

There is a LOT of casualisation in FFXIV.

[Eleccybubb]

Ehh. not really true. I hit max level as a SAM, bought a bunch of Crafted Greens from the Auction house and was doing OS within a couple of weeks. Wasn't any more intense than WoW to be fair. Apart from the really grindy side options of gearing like the new Eureka stuff, not much else felt out of reach for a fairly casual player.

I killed Kefka and was progressing on high Savage V's as a pretty casual raider. Even the Magicite dungeon crawling for easy leveling added a ton of easy ways to level.

There is a LOT of casualisation in FFXIV.

If anything the majority of content is built around the casual player.

I mean hardcores at most have Savage, Ultimate and higher Deep Dungeon floors.

Casual content is Gold Saucer, Dungeons, EX Primals, Normal Raids, Eureka (YES IT'S A GRIND but well it's the relic), holiday events, 24 man raids and the list goes on.

They may listen to the Japanese players a lot more but this game is very casual.

[Mattelot]

You know, people can have their view of one game or the other and whatnot...but can we please not bullshit about how, "These things don't happen in WoW" or something? Bitching at people for their gear, play, etc is a common thread across all MMOs.

If after playing a game for 14 years, you don’t see or hear about something, do you state otherwise? People bitch in WoW about gear but if you read, FFXIv is the only game I’ve seen people threatened for it. I’ve never ever seen anyone do that in WoW. Have you?

[Necromantic]

It’s a shame. A little more diversity and a community that wasn’t garbage and it would have easily given WoW a run for its money.

I don't think it would have nearly the subs that WOW has since WOW has had such a huge headstart and success, regardless but I do think it would be much more popular if it didn't have such an atrocious community.

It's basically warcraft but it's not pleb friendly and requires you to put time, as well effort to truely get anywhere. Granted it's easier now than it was in ARR (and before that was a nightmare) but basically WoW is an idiot filter with content that treats you like you're a retard. FF14 demands proof you're retarded and expects you to get better. Just about every old school player I've known that's quit WoW for FF14 has never looked back. The problem is that as WoWfugees have flooded the game the community has gotten worse and worse.

Also the devs mainly cater to the opinion of the Japanese audience so you don't have to worry about western politics or extreme casualization, they won't stand for that rubbish.

I wouldn't say it isn't pleb friendly but definitely not as friendly. It does require a lot more time to accomplish things and for many, daily or weekly gates hinder progression. WOW does for sure hold your hand more and more. I remember the days when quest objectives and the area wasn't highlighted. You had to really look and read the quest text. It wasn't even difficult back then but now, I can't imagine it being more simple.

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If after playing a game for 14 years, you don’t see or hear about something, do you state otherwise? People bitch in WoW about gear but if you read, FFXIv is the only game I’ve seen people threatened for it. I’ve never ever seen anyone do that in WoW. Have you?

Missed this.

WOW used the terms "scrub" (common in many MMOs though), welfare epics (geek term invented by elitists during the time casuals were given epic gear) but I cannot recall going into a dungeon and having someone discuss what someone was wearing. That happens often enough in FFXIV and can be either somebody saying "you're tanking in DPS gear" or half the time, verbally bashing the person as if that person wore that gear on purpose.

[Graeham]

FFXIV's community isn't perfect, though it's nowhere near as bad as some people are making it out to be in this thread. I've been playing since the early days of ARR and can count the amount of times I've had an issue in a dungeon on one hand...which makes me seriously question what, exactly, people are doing to get into these situations.

[Eleccybubb]

FFXIV's community isn't perfect, though it's nowhere near as bad as some people are making it out to be in this thread. I've been playing since the early days of ARR and can count the amount of times I've had an issue in a dungeon on one hand...which makes me seriously question what, exactly, people are doing to get into these situations.

Have to echo this. Seriously doubt that they are innocent in this "atrocious community" bs they are so intent on spouting and spamming the thread with. As I said wouldn't take em seriously mate. Probably just the case of they were told how it is and felt "bullied".

I've met the odd bad egg but I can't say I've ever seen people "threatened".

[Ilnez]

I play both so I can give you some opinions. These are fairly unbiased as I'm not particularly fond of the current state of either game.

Classes - WoW classes are dumpster tier right now, that's no secret. As a whole, I think class design in FFXIV is superior to WoWs atm.

Gameplay - This is where WoW this expansion took from FFXIV and it's atrocious. Horrendously slow GCD, everything on the GCD (for tanks at least), annoying chain skill that punish you for having to respond to the situation. Blergh. Honestly the combat is the one think keeping FFXIV down, it feels slow and clunky.

Story - No contest, WoW forgot what good storytelling was a long time ago. FFXIV storytelling is amazing.

Visuals - I'm a sucker for WoW's visuals though 14 is quite nice.

Content - OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooh boy, is there a lot to say here. FFXIV heavily struggles from new game syndrome to me. There are no old raids for you to solo, there's no point to solo'ing old dungeons. Thus you're stuck in the perpertual meat grinder of duty finder. It's horrible. The players are, for the most part, garbage tier casuals. When I tank a run for my SO, it's not uncommon for her to do as much damage as me, the other DPS and the healer combined. It makes the runs slow and utterly unenjoyable.

So yeah, I end up playing 14 for a month or so after a patch and then feeling no need to log in again. I know it makes her sad that I don't play too much but I'd quite literally rather do just about anything else with her to spend time than do half the content in this game.

[Rogalicus]

As a whole, I think class design in FFXIV is superior to WoWs atm.

IMO, they both are not that great. WoW is oversimplified as hell, FFXIV is bloated with combos, small self-buffs every 30 sec, small target debuffs every 30 sec, fire-and-forget buffs like BotD, several damage cooldowns, off-GCD buttons with immense cooldowns and so on. Also FFXIV rotations feel very static, you mostly press the same buttons in the same order every fight.

The players are, for the most part, garbage tier casuals.

Still better than people you see in WoW's LFD and LFR, who don't even bother to come out of fire or do any mechanics.

[The Stormbringer]

I'm not as interested in the world or story as I am in WoW, but I do really like the level of customization, the additional animations, the housing, and some of the built-in tools. The game has been a nice change of pace.

Downsides are that the combat is a little fuzzy, the UI isn't that great, and the amount of time sink to level all the classes seems... very daunting.

I'm on Balmung though, it's a very active server. I like it a lot!

[Mattelot]

I don't think it would have nearly the subs that WOW has since WOW has had such a huge headstart and success, regardless but I do think it would be much more popular if it didn't have such an atrocious community.



I wouldn't say it isn't pleb friendly but definitely not as friendly. It does require a lot more time to accomplish things and for many, daily or weekly gates hinder progression. WOW does for sure hold your hand more and more. I remember the days when quest objectives and the area wasn't highlighted. You had to really look and read the quest text. It wasn't even difficult back then but now, I can't imagine it being more simple.

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Missed this.

WOW used the terms "scrub" (common in many MMOs though), welfare epics (geek term invented by elitists during the time casuals were given epic gear) but I cannot recall going into a dungeon and having someone discuss what someone was wearing. That happens often enough in FFXIV and can be either somebody saying "you're tanking in DPS gear" or half the time, verbally bashing the person as if that person wore that gear on purpose.

FFXI had some people like that too. Gear matters in any MMO but the FF game’s almost make some people obsessed. Then again, that game was not as easy to gear. It didn’t feel as much like a hamster wheel.

[Necromantic]

FFXIV's community isn't perfect, though it's nowhere near as bad as some people are making it out to be in this thread. I've been playing since the early days of ARR and can count the amount of times I've had an issue in a dungeon on one hand...which makes me seriously question what, exactly, people are doing to get into these situations.

Mileage may vary depending on a number of things, servers, where you socialize, attention to detail, etc. I've never gotten into the situation but it is something I have witnessed. I usually don't contribute because if someone is so angry that they will berate another random person, consolation from another random person would probably go over like a lead balloon.

Content - OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooh boy, is there a lot to say here. FFXIV heavily struggles from new game syndrome to me. There are no old raids for you to solo, there's no point to solo'ing old dungeons. Thus you're stuck in the perpertual meat grinder of duty finder. It's horrible. The players are, for the most part, garbage tier casuals. When I tank a run for my SO, it's not uncommon for her to do as much damage as me, the other DPS and the healer combined. It makes the runs slow and utterly unenjoyable.

I will agree with you on this one. Soloing old raids is an absolute joy. The content in each expansion has disappointed me both times overall even though there were some things I was happy about. I will probably never be as happy with one of this game's expansions as I was with WotLK.

FFXI had some people like that too. Gear matters in any MMO but the FF game’s almost make some people obsessed. Then again, that game was not as easy to gear. It didn’t feel as much like a hamster wheel.

I have seen gear obsession in a few different places. That is one thing I did not see in FFXIV as much as people worrying about what others were wearing rather than focusing on improving what they themselves are wearing. I imagine it is easier to shift blame.

[Eleccybubb]

IMO, they both are not that great. WoW is oversimplified as hell, FFXIV is bloated with combos, small self-buffs every 30 sec, small target debuffs every 30 sec, fire-and-forget buffs like BotD, several damage cooldowns, off-GCD buttons with immense cooldowns and so on. Also FFXIV rotations feel very static, you mostly press the same buttons in the same order every fight.

Still better than people you see in WoW's LFD and LFR, who don't even bother to come out of fire or do any mechanics.

Have to agree on some rotations. Healer for me feels nice at the moment because I get to off DPS while healing. So I've essentially got something to do other than my main role. Plus it's the norm anyway.

And I agree. 24 man groups are actually miles better when it comes to performing mechanics.

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I'm not as interested in the world or story as I am in WoW, but I do really like the level of customization, the additional animations, the housing, and some of the built-in tools. The game has been a nice change of pace.

Downsides are that the combat is a little fuzzy, the UI isn't that great, and the amount of time sink to level all the classes seems... very daunting.

I'm on Balmung though, it's a very active server. I like it a lot!

Balmung is known as one of the many unofficial RP servers. So populated that it's actually locked for new character creation so a lot of people went Mateus.

I mean it has it's uhm...... questionable sides of RP but from spending time on there with a lowbie a great RP community nonetheless.

[The Stormbringer]

Balmung is known as one of the many unofficial RP servers. So populated that it's actually locked for new character creation so a lot of people went Mateus.

I mean it has it's uhm...... questionable sides of RP but from spending time on there with a lowbie a great RP community nonetheless.

We just call that the 'adult side' of RP.

I wish it wasn't locked for character creation. I can't make any alts... alas.

[Sorrior]

Only major source of toxicity is Reddit these days.

It exists in game but it's barely noticeable.

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And that mentality is idiotic. I never expect min maxing in a DF dungeon. Now in Savage/Ultimate I would. It's the higher echelon of content so bring your A game. That means correct potions, food, melds and items as well as knowing your rotation in and out.

But coming into a dungeon for example and RPing under the guise of "muh rp reasons" for example and either wasting time or letting the group die is a detriment. Or refusing to heal a tank for shitty RP reasons.

However. If one guy comes in and demands a speedrun then they should have gone with a premade group of friends. Because it could be a 70 dungeon where people are still gearing up.

That's when you go as a premade. Not waste the time of 3 other people. Thankfully it's only 5 minutes in until you can kick.

Yeah agreed try telling these guys premades are for speedruns not randon pugs via the df(and talking dungeons here) they won't listen and call you entitled. I am like. If you are as hardcore as you say i am SURE you have a static you can farm dungeons with

[Katchii]

If after playing a game for 14 years, you don’t see or hear about something, do you state otherwise? People bitch in WoW about gear but if you read, FFXIv is the only game I’ve seen people threatened for it. I’ve never ever seen anyone do that in WoW. Have you?

Threatened how? I've seen threats for kicking from the group or not taking into a group at all over gear in every MMO I've ever played and I've played pretty much every major MMO released since 1998.

I won't pretend to have seen or heard everything in those games because I haven't played with every single other person. But there's assholes, jerks, bullies, elitists and know-it-alls in every game.

In WoW it's really difficult anymore to wear gear that is completely worthless to you as a spec or that goes against your role since most things scale directly off your main stat. Sure you can gear sub-optimally with your secondary stats, but you really have to try and put a set together that's worthless to you. In FFXIV it's possible for players to wear gear that is totally worthless or in some way detrimental for their given role. Main example would be a tank class wearing full blown DPS gear. That's viable sometimes, but in some cases it's just not feasible based on group composition and ability. I'm not condoning threats, just pointing out that in my experience the effect of gearing appropriately has a more profound impact on game play and group performance in FFXIV than it does in WoW. This is beyond ilevel, it's the stats on the gear you are choosing to use.

[Melsiren]

FFXIV's community isn't perfect, though it's nowhere near as bad as some people are making it out to be in this thread. I've been playing since the early days of ARR and can count the amount of times I've had an issue in a dungeon on one hand...which makes me seriously question what, exactly, people are doing to get into these situations.

Launch of HW for me and I can only think of two times I had experienced overly toxic behavior on ff14.

Been playing wow again for a month or so now and I have lost track. My favorite was when I was told "go fuck your self and die." All because I asked for a ret paladin to dispel a poison off of me.

Feels like just about every other day I get some sort of toxic behavior.

[Katchii]

FFXIV's community isn't perfect, though it's nowhere near as bad as some people are making it out to be in this thread. I've been playing since the early days of ARR and can count the amount of times I've had an issue in a dungeon on one hand...which makes me seriously question what, exactly, people are doing to get into these situations.

Also want to echo this. Granted I've seen a LOT of discussion in dungeons about gear and comments about playing, but the vast majority of them are very civil, constructive and easily/ quickly remedied and glossed over. The only issues I've seen are when the person saying something is purposefully incendiary in their language and/or the person on the receiving end is overly sensitive and makes a HUGE fucking deal over something stupid.

In short, the only really bad situations I've seen are ones where people MAKE it a bad situation rather than keep it cool.

Having said that, I realize that I've noticed more of these in FFXIV than in WoW specifically. I think the opportunities for this type of thing are just higher in FFXIV than in WoW due to the forced grouping as you're leveling and the fact that gearing in FFXIV is more nuanced and easy to fuck up than it is in WoW.

I find the communities of both games to be similar in disposition though.

[Eleccybubb]

Threatened how? I've seen threats for kicking from the group or not taking into a group at all over gear in every MMO I've ever played and I've played pretty much every major MMO released since 1998.

I won't pretend to have seen or heard everything in those games because I haven't played with every single other person. But there's assholes, jerks, bullies, elitists and know-it-alls in every game.

In WoW it's really difficult anymore to wear gear that is completely worthless to you as a spec or that goes against your role since most things scale directly off your main stat. Sure you can gear sub-optimally with your secondary stats, but you really have to try and put a set together that's worthless to you. In FFXIV it's possible for players to wear gear that is totally worthless or in some way detrimental for their given role. Main example would be a tank class wearing full blown DPS gear. That's viable sometimes, but in some cases it's just not feasible based on group composition and ability. I'm not condoning threats, just pointing out that in my experience the effect of gearing appropriately has a more profound impact on game play and group performance in FFXIV than it does in WoW. This is beyond ilevel, it's the stats on the gear you are choosing to use.

Wasting your time mate. Asked them multiple times as to why/how they or others were being threatened and they were either vague or dodging it.

It's clear they were either involved in something or something happened and they didn't like the outcome as it didn't suit them.

[Mattelot]

Threatened how? I've seen threats for kicking from the group or not taking into a group at all over gear in every MMO I've ever played and I've played pretty much every major MMO released since 1998.

I won't pretend to have seen or heard everything in those games because I haven't played with every single other person. But there's assholes, jerks, bullies, elitists and know-it-alls in every game.

In WoW it's really difficult anymore to wear gear that is completely worthless to you as a spec or that goes against your role since most things scale directly off your main stat. Sure you can gear sub-optimally with your secondary stats, but you really have to try and put a set together that's worthless to you. In FFXIV it's possible for players to wear gear that is totally worthless or in some way detrimental for their given role. Main example would be a tank class wearing full blown DPS gear. That's viable sometimes, but in some cases it's just not feasible based on group composition and ability. I'm not condoning threats, just pointing out that in my experience the effect of gearing appropriately has a more profound impact on game play and group performance in FFXIV than it does in WoW. This is beyond ilevel, it's the stats on the gear you are choosing to use.

Telling randoms “you better f’n play this way, or else” or similar is something I’ve seen to people in 14 but never WoW. I get it that it’s just empty threats and there isn’t anything anyone will do but seeing it a half dozen times this year alone is bogus.