Other companies? Sure. Software companies? Maybe only Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon and Apple are in any position to actually act on it.
They are the "big names" of the computer industry, but they are not all the names by any stretch of the imagination.
I mean I don't mean to make this about me. But consider my background. I have a B.S. and M.S. in Computer Science and minors in Cognitive Psychology and Robotics. I now work at a Robotics firm. It's not like there are a ton of people with a Robotics minor who did "inverse kinematics" in school or something. They won't have the luxury of choosing based on the color of my skin.
Graphics is no different. Sure, lots of people fart around with Unity or Unreal Engine. But a college graduate in CS who focused on graphics rendering? Not a lot of those. Maybe a few hundred nationally every year. And they get vacuumed up (Nvidia was a popular internship spot at my university at the time).
This entire discussion exists only in a broader software industry that has far more competition for hiring than there is. As it stands, foreign born workers grow and grow and grow because there just ain't enough square jawed American Software Engineers from Iowa being made. So it's kind of a moot point.
- - - Updated - - -
Ehhhh, I haven't seen anybody in my professional and college circle run towards gaming in years and years.
Hell the smart ones (in the sense that they had more common sense) went on to be quants for Wall Street. Hard to say "let's make video games", when you can make $250k for Bank of America. Sure you'll hate your life. But you'll buy your parents house for them in a few years. Wish I did that, instead of consulting.
These quotas are an absolute joke. The consequence will be less qualified women and minorities taking positions while forcing white/male positions to be even more competitive between each other. It's not like there's a sea of highly qualified minority/women being overlooked every time there is a job opening. The rift between white male and quota-boosted minorities will be obvious to everyone, and that reputation will spill over onto the minorities and women who legitimately worked hard and competed to join the company.
Workplace quotas weed out incompetent men and make businesses more efficient.
I like how being sexist and racist in a virtue signaling light is good for the world. It gives me the chuckles.
It's a horrible idea. Nothing good has ever come out of pandering to SJW Identity Politics. The only thing it does, is kill franchises and companies. Marvel did this, and their comics suffered a devastating drop in sales. They're canceling stories left and right now, because they're not even breaking 100 issues sold in some cases. This is a direct result of hiring to meet quotas, instead of hiring for quality. As long as there's "Equality of opportunity", then there's nothing Blizzard needs to worry about.
Last edited by Synros; 2017-10-09 at 06:55 AM.
ON WEDNESDAYS WE WEAR PINK
Any CS or Software Engineering degree worth a damn is going to involve complex algorithmic analysis, computational theory and mathematics (amongst others). None of that is "rote learning" or anything that could be taught to a monkey. There are many ways to do the same thing in programming, but discerning and executing the best approach requires a high level understanding of algorithmic efficiency and low level memory management. You don't know what you're taking about even remotely, and it's quite painful reading the ignorant dribble that is your posts.
you don't think so?
https://www.ea.com/careers/diversity-and-inclusion
I'll say it again. You talk as if the computer industry has a glut of workers of ANY background.
You know what would be just great? If more actual white American men went into Computer Science instead of Business Administration or Accounting. Because right now, in the computer industry, everybody we have - that is to say, all Americans of all background combined, plus an enormous foreign born population - cannot remotely fill the job openings there are. It's not even close.
Nothing would make the businesses of the industry happier if there were actually more White American Men out there to hire. But they don't exist. Because we Americans are bad at math, and bad at science, and expert-level excuse makers at those deficiencies, when compared to our foreign peers.
So go ahead. Make a White male baby, have grow up and become a software engineer. I guarantee if he works hard like everybody else, he'll have a hell of a career in an industry hungry for talent.
But therein lies the rub: you must actually have a white male baby.
- - - Updated - - -
You need that for some jobs (and great jobs). But you don't need that for most jobs. You don't even need a CS degree for most software industry jobs.
I did all that stuff in school. I use much of it now (my current job is a research job). My prior positions I used almost none of it.
I still think the some of best advice for an aspiring computer scientist is "take good statistics courses for your math requirements", because you'll actually use that.
You don't seem to be addressing me or the OP, which is about the inclusion of quotas targeting American minorities. The effects of the quotas will be felt regardless of whether there is a glut or shortage of American workers in any given field. I don't disagree with what you have to say about the problem with STEM education in the U.S. in general, though.
ROFL! Come on man, put some sort of warning in there before saying such ridiculous nonsense, I seriously almost choked on my food here. Granted, it didn't hurt with a laugh today, seeing as how things have gone up until now, but still. "Homework complete"...I seriously hope you're not refering to an actual university, lmfao.
Anyways, I've personally taken a LOT of courses on university, in both natural sciences and the humanities, and, well..."all the humanities being harder than 'STEM'-fields", is propably the single dumbest thing I've ever read on these forums. At least that was, at least seemingly so, an entirely serious statement. And there's no need for using anecdotes really, the entire notion is quite literally ridiculous.
Edit: Programming certainly isn't my forte though, so I have no opinion about that particular field being easier/harder than something else. But STEM-fields such as biology, medicine, physics, chemistry being easier than the humanities? Again, lmfao.
Last edited by Sama-81; 2017-10-09 at 08:09 AM.
It's hit/miss. I'm personally against diversity initiatives because they're extremely discriminatory imo, but if there are actual benefits then obviously a company would wanna get in on that. My main problem with them is that the benefits of them have never really been talked about as far as I know (maybe I live under a rock), but a few years ago companies started doing this and I've never heard any proponents cite specific studies or research linking diversity with work force improvements and basically fall back on "diversity is good" as a mantra.
Yeah, you can have your programmer's union. The day when IT actually gets shit done right, instead of releasing bug infested crap software and claiming it's a great tool for your workflow. If engineering had the same quality standards IT has, we'd never have a plane leave the ground. Think about that. Programmers earn too much already, considering that they release buggy software 9 times out of 10.
Users with <20 posts and ignored shitposters are automatically invisible. Find out how to do that here and help clean up MMO-OT!
PSA: Being a volunteer is no excuse to make a shite job of it.
That's because there really aren't any. You can hire a trans Indian handicap bisexual to your workforce, but that doesn't mean they are going to swoop in with the magical 'efficient workflow of their people'. It's just pseudoscience they came up with in an attempt to give diversity some actual merit.