Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Mayhem]

I doubt he realizes that he is arguing against himself.

Obviously, you could delete your posts in between and he'd still have a full conversation.

[Belize]

I respect your fervour, but they are still humans, though, and denying them that would be starting down a perilous path. Beyond that, even confrontation per se is not automatically infracted if you are reasonably civil. Much like real-life protests: placards and shouting are allowed in democratic countries, Molotov cocktails are not (and some of your posts would probably be classified as white phosphorus in that comparison).

That may all be true, but why (as a broad concept, this is theoretical and not targeted to any particular) should we afford decency and respect to those who's outright statement is "Fuck your feelings" and intolerance?

Edit: nvm, ignore this, it was answered already.

[Trunksee]

And what does that have to do with the fact that those laws are socialism? frankly I think the law is idiotic if you want to stop businesses from hiring illegal immigrants put heavy fines on them but that won't happen because that would mean Trump's own businesses would have to pay a huge fine. The reason they put it all on the illegal immigrants is because they don't want to tackle the problem but again it is socialism.

No i agree with that fine the hell out of them. But you also need to enforce immigration laws at the same time. I honestly think we need to close our borders unless you have a job lined up to even legal imigration. The ideals of the republican party are way closer to this than democrats wanting to let people almost be given amnesty for breaking the law.

[Machismo]

Yall love to pick and choose and label everything. Fine its a socialism structure fine call it what you want its already in place. Labeling everything with these strict contrived words to fit your agenda to just make people twist and turn on a word because its what one side calls the other is just a way to try and control the narrative. If its a socialist idea fine whatever. Its a US law thats already on the books.

Great, you are embracing nationalism and socialism. It's nice that you are finally on the same page... well, the same manifesto.

The existence of a law, is never a justification for that law, not ever. Your support of that law demonstrates your support of socialism, and your opposition to capitalism.

[Draco-Onis]

No i agree with that fine the hell out of them. But you also need to enforce immigration laws at the same time. I honestly think we need to close our borders unless you have a job lined up to even legal imigration. The ideals of the republican party are way closer to this than democrats wanting to let people almost be given amnesty for breaking the law.

Then you are advocating for the complete collapse of the US economy without those illegal immigrants GDP and the economy would fall not to mention turning your country into North Korea is idiotic people would avoid us like the plague when it comes to trade and tourism.

[Machismo]

Obviously, you could delete your posts in between and he'd still have a full conversation.

I mean, I'm simply using his own words and logic against him... it wasn't that tough.

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No i agree with that fine the hell out of them. But you also need to enforce immigration laws at the same time. I honestly think we need to close our borders unless you have a job lined up to even legal imigration. The ideals of the republican party are way closer to this than democrats wanting to let people almost be given amnesty for breaking the law.

Make them legal, problem solved.

So, you are saying that the GOP is closer to being socialists than the Democrats? This may be the first thing you've said that I actually agree with.

[Kujako]

No i agree with that fine the hell out of them. But you also need to enforce immigration laws at the same time. I honestly think we need to close our borders unless you have a job lined up to even legal imigration. The ideals of the republican party are way closer to this than democrats wanting to let people almost be given amnesty for breaking the law.

Reminder: Our current First Lady is an illegal immigrant, working in the US (as a semi-nude model) while under a travel visa. She then used "chain migration" to get her parents citizenship. So as in all things, Trump is a hypocrite when it comes to immigration ands anyone claiming to support Trump because of his stance on immigration is a hypocrite as well. What's more, a wall will do VERY little to stop illegal immigrants as most of them come bu plane like the First Lady did.

[Machismo]

Reminder: Our current First Lady is an illegal immigrant, working in the US (as a semi-nude model) while under a travel visa. She then used "chain migration" to get her parents citizenship. So as in all things, Trump is a hypocrite when it comes to immigration ands anyone claiming to support Trump because of his stance on immigration is a hypocrite as well.

Well, Trunksee clearly believes she should be deported immediately.

Umm it already does. I want the laws enforced. We have laws that dictate that you cannot use illegals so gosh darn it enforce it. Dont screw around with all this deportation crap in courts, if they are caught send them out. Start enforcing e verify. All we have to do is enforce the law.

[Draco-Onis]

Reminder: Our current First Lady is an illegal immigrant, working in the US (as a semi-nude model) while under a travel visa. She then used "chain migration" to get her parents citizenship. So as in all things, Trump is a hypocrite when it comes to immigration ands anyone claiming to support Trump because of his stance on immigration is a hypocrite as well. What's more, a wall will do VERY little to stop illegal immigrants as most of them come bu plane like the First Lady did.

She did what immigrants do took the job nobody wanted

[Trunksee]

Then you are advocating for the complete collapse of the US economy without those illegal immigrants GDP and the economy would fall not to mention turning your country into North Korea is idiotic people would avoid us like the plague when it comes to trade and tourism.

I fail to see your point. Not to knit pick but explain to me how the whole ecconomy would collapse but raising minimum wage will not do the exact same thing. If your against keeping illegals at low wages you must also be against a living wage. All this will do is force big business to increase the illegal practices they are currently doing. And what evidence is there that removing illegals will crash the ecconomy and yes i will read a good citation.

[Draco-Onis]

I fail to see your point. Not to knit pick but explain to me how the whole ecconomy would collapse but raising minimum wage will not do the exact same thing. If your against keeping illegals at low wages you must also be against a living wage. All this will do is force big business to increase the illegal practices they are currently doing. And what evidence is there that removing illegals will crash the ecconomy and yes i will read a good citation.

You don't think removing millions of people from the country, killing tourism and trade would crash the US economy? do you not know what it means to close our borders? heck removing all illegals alone would bankrupt the country.

[Machismo]

I fail to see your point. Not to knit pick but explain to me how the whole ecconomy would collapse but raising minimum wage will not do the exact same thing. If your against keeping illegals at low wages you must also be against a living wage. All this will do is force big business to increase the illegal practices they are currently doing. And what evidence is there that removing illegals will crash the ecconomy and yes i will read a good citation.

So, you are saying you are the same as those who want to increase the minimum wage, but it's based on xenophobia and nationalism... very well.

[Dontrike]

Islam no matter what anyone wants to tell you is not a peaceful religion.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

They are just like the crusaders in the middle east. They want everyone to follow their ideals with violence. And yes in the construction and manufacturing fields wages are stagnant because the maket is being flooded by immigrants. I live it everyday. Why pay a good wage when an immigrant will do it for less. And its definitely not mexicans coming here in large numbers. Its elsalvador, Guatemala, hondorus, cape Verde, and a multitude of other countries. There even a lot of eastern europeans now flooding the market with a labor force that will take less money.

Cool, they shouldn't be hiring illegals, so you can blame the company instead of the immigrant. The company is always going to find a way to pay people less. The fact you are blaming those random immigrants rather than the companies themselves really shows how easy it is to direct your ire.

[Poopymonster]

She did what immigrants do took the job nobody wanted

I look at it as he outsourced his penis since no American would do it.

[Dontrike]

Umm it already does. I want the laws enforced. We have laws that dictate that you cannot use illegals so gosh darn it enforce it. Dont screw around with all this deportation crap in courts, if they are caught send them out. Start enforcing e verify. All we have to do is enforce the law.

And yet you support the president that has been known to use illegal labor. It's almost like Trump goes against everything you actually support.

[Poopymonster]

And yet you support the president that has been known to use illegal labor. It's almost like Trump goes against everything you actually support.

Well, you can't go after the source of the problem. The FINE and UPSTANDING JOB CREATORS who hired undocumented workers. Ye Cher no. We can't fine those who to increase profits hired people who had no legal status to hold a job here.

[Bodakane]

Well, you can't go after the source of the problem. The FINE and UPSTANDING JOB CREATORS who hired undocumented workers. Ye Cher no. We can't fine those who to increase profits hired people who had no legal status to hold a job here.

Its actually worse than that.

Those companies are the ones that force the anti-illegal immigrant narrative to the politicians through their donations.

The only reason illegals are such a hot topic is that major food producers are pushing the the narrative to the people by appealing tot he right's innate sense of xenophobia.

They want illegals to stay illegal, because it gives them a disposable workforce they can pay pennies on the dollar for, and if they get out of line or complain about conditions, they can just ship them out of the country. They know the xenophobic repubs will never blame business owners for the problem and will instead blame the illegals.

[Clone]

Its not socialism btw its nationalism. Take care of your own first.

Uh oh, that's a step closer to Godwin's Law.

[Paranoid Android]

With all respect to @Breccia. Time to guess the speaker.

"Chairman Un" may have reconsidered his Christmas gift, says Trump's national security adviser, but the US is still closely monitoring.

"I don't want to speculate about what will happen. But we have a lot of tools in our toolkit."

Yes, Trump's National Security Advisor doesn't know the name or the family name is "Kim".

[draynay]

Please let us wind this down.

Problems don't go away just because you tell us to ignore them, you do nothing about the source of the problem and this keeps happening again and again. Why should we have faith in any of you green or blue?