Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[eschatological]

Incorrect on this last bit. This will likely spread farther and wider than the flu, as there are no vaccines and no prior exposures to build up antibodies. The CDC estimates that there are about 30 million or so flu illnesses per year, but this virus has the potential to infect upwards of 10x that number.

It has the same vectors as the flu, I guess I should have said. But you are correct, it is likely to infect quite a few more people than the regular flu. I've heard 70% of the American public.

Compare and contrast the two H1N1 pandemics, the swine flu - which had a 0.01%-0.08% fatality rate (less than a flu) - and the Spanish flu (anywhere from a 3%-10% mortality rate), the latter of which infected 500m people and killed anywhere from 17m to 50m people (estimates were hard).

In the U.S., 59m people caught swine flu in 2009, 265k required hospitalization, and 12k died - for a fatality rate of 0.002 or 0.2%, slightly worse than the flu. This was under a competent response - the first U.S. cases were recorded on April 17th, with the first death on April 28th. Obama, who had been in office less than 3 months, activated the CDC's EOC on April 22nd, 5 days after the first confirmed case, on the 25th WHO declared it a public health emergency. Keep in mind, in this pandemic, Mexico and the U.S. were the leading edge of the pandemic, and Obama swiftly and assuredly handled it, and it amounted to about a slightly more severe flu season.

[Zan15]

If this was happening in August, you'd have a point.

But the virus will fizzle out, markets will stabilize/rebound, and he will handle Dementia Joe pretty easily.

Governments are really overreacting to something that is basically a nonfactor to healthy individuals below the age of 60. But it will be barely a news item by summer, just watch.

oh here we go again. How old are you? Dementia joe? Really?

wasn't Hillary supposed to be dead by now...she was dying right??

hmm, it wasn't "just the flu" when Hillary got it....it was the end of the world, the worst thing for a presidential candidate…

I do agree on the stabilization and rebound, but we are still 8 days behind other countries rate pattern so this has not peaked by any means.

and if you expect corporations not to start to freak out and cut cut cut everything they can....exacerbating the stock market problems over the next quarter, you sir are oblivious to reality.

[alexw]

No, it'd likely still be here. It'd just be handled far more competently.

Though you are now falling into the same insanity consuming the rest of the Trump cult, defending Trumps horrible job by whining about a hypothetical Clinton presidency, something I brought up yesterday. You are so invested in the idea that Trump is the greatest president ever you can't ever admit he's fucked up even when it's blatantly obvious that he did.

Indeed. The Trump administration has pretty much spent the last 3-4 years coasting along. Nothing has come along up to now to challenge them so they've gotten away with it.

But now there is a real crisis in motion that required a competent pro-active administration months ago and they've shown just how incompetent and lacking they really are.

Compare and contrast that to how the Obama administation put together a coordinated global response to contain and prevent the Ebola outbreak from spreading beyond the region.

Now I don't know if this coronovirus could have been stopped similarly but Trump and his team of incompetents have just sat on their hands twiddling their thumbs for the last three months, and that's led to precisely this point. Whatever chance of stopping this has been lost. Both globally and on a national level.

There are dangers to installing incompetents and opportunistic grifters into the presidency and its administration and those have now been realized.

We are all going to pay the price for that.

And those who have enabled this outcome by supporting and voting for Trump ought to reflect on what they've done.

You've basically voted to kill millions of your fellow citizens.

[Zan15]

Aaaand the DOW just dipped below 21000, for -2500 on the day.

EDIT: Though it looks like that was after the bell struck on the NYSE day, so the official EoD is 21200, "only" -2350 down.

Day's tally:

DOW: close @ 21200.62, -2350 on the day, -28.3% drop from the high on 2/12
NASDAQ: close @ 7201.80, -750 on the day, -26.6% drop from the high on 2/19
S&P 500: close @ 2480.64, -260 on the day, -26.7% drop from the high on 2/19.

So I guess it's a for-real official bear market now.

Yes it is

Trump can now officially be declared as the president when the 11 year bull market ended.
funny, didn't trump supporters say all those silly angry lubral predictions would never happen.

the biggest prediction was that as soon as there was a real economic problem, trump had no experience dealing with such a thing and would fail horribly and make things worse......silly lubrals….

[arandomuser]

all on facebook and twitter i seen from people
" the coronavirus is overblown by the fake news media"
and u have the guy trump put in charge of it..
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...virus-n1156371

if the VP himself is saying hey this is serious i think it might be

[kaelleria]

So I've been officially kicked out of my office for the time being because my husband has a headache and didn't go into work today...

The Trump administration has made this so much worse by muddling the response. People are freaking out. It's a very serious issue, but no one knows wtf is going on.

[Fuiking]

Yes it is

Trump can now officially be declared as the president when the 11 year bull market ended.
funny, didn't trump supporters say all those silly angry lubral predictions would never happen.

the biggest prediction was that as soon as there was a real economic problem, trump had no experience dealing with such a thing and would fail horribly and make things worse......silly lubrals….

In all fairness, speaking as the devils advocate, its not really his fault that this outbreak happened. Doubt anyone could have anything real good for this as a economic problem.

[Breccia]

Not technically illegal because asking him to resign is not technically firing him

And Pence will say "Ask me in public, fatty. Go ahead. Go on live TV and say 'I want Pence to resign because this is his fault.' Do it. Fucking do it, you lob of Cheeto-flavored lard. You know what? I'll get the cameras for you! HEY EVERYONE TRUMP HAS SOMETHING TO SAY!" Then sit back, smug.

Trump has nothing on Pence anymore. Pence is the last life preserver on the Titantic.

[Benggaul]

In all fairness, speaking as the devils advocate, its not really his fault that this outbreak happened. Doubt anyone could have anything real good for this as a economic problem.

It's not his fault that it happened, but it's ABSOLUTELY his fault that the response has been so terrible in the US. He also blew all of his economic cooldowns early on in his term to prop up his vanity, so economically it's partially his fault as well.

[Zan15]

In all fairness, speaking as the devils advocate, its not really his fault that this outbreak happened. Doubt anyone could have anything real good for this as a economic problem.

Yes that is true in part...

But his direct and indirect action and inaction lead to the shitshow/stockmarket/economy problems to be amplified ten fold.

look at the market during and right after his speech last night.

this is exactly what they said would happen the second he had a real challenge to deal with.

[Breccia]

if the VP himself is saying hey this is serious i think it might be

Everyone is saying that. Fauci. Redfield. Azar. Carson, probably. Everyone. Except Trump.

[Benggaul]

Pence is the last life preserver on the Titantic.

And, because it's Pence, he'll use it on himself. If only to ensure that he doesn't accidentally come in contact with a woman.

[Zan15]

And Pence will say "Ask me in public, fatty. Go ahead. Go on live TV and say 'I want Pence to resign because this is his fault.' Do it. Fucking do it, you lob of Cheeto-flavored lard. You know what? I'll get the cameras for you! HEY EVERYONE TRUMP HAS SOMETHING TO SAY!" Then sit back, smug.

Trump has nothing on Pence anymore. Pence is the last life preserver on the Titantic.

You are talking about an unhinged president.....and what a normal reaction would be.

at this point I would not doubt he does this to replace pence with a woman....to prop up the suburb vote

[Fuiking]

It's not his fault that it happened, but it's ABSOLUTELY his fault that the response has been so terrible in the US. He also blew all of his economic cooldowns early on in his term to prop up his vanity, so economically it's partially his fault as well.

I do agree with you there, what do you think of the travel restrictions? Another failure, and only to keep his fanbase happy or a success but way too late? Or a nasty way to hurt EU economy because he's a spiteful fella' and he saw his chance?

[Breccia]

In all fairness, speaking as the devils advocate, its not really his fault that this outbreak happened. Doubt anyone could have anything real good for this as a economic problem.

The raid boss does 20% damage to all raiders every 90 seconds. Use CDs and stack for raid heals to mitigate the damage.

If you stood in the fire and are at 15% health, it's your fault the boss kills you. Not the healers. Not the tanks. Yours.

We don't have the job growth he promised.

We don't have the trade deals he promised.

We don't have the GDP growth he promised.

We don't have the $4,000 a year from the tax cut for the rich he promised.

We don't have the 10% middle class tax cut he promised.

We don't have growing manufacturing he promised.

We don't even have growing coal like he promised, but that was a long shot anyhow.

Stop making defenses for your no-fingered friend, he's dragging the raid down. Tell him to get out of the fire, or kick him and PUG his spot.

[Edge-]

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/12/81488...nse-fell-short

Interview on Fresh Air about the response, here's the summary -

Politico reporter Dan Diamond says infighting at the Department of Health and Human Services and the need to flatter Trump impeded the response to the coronavirus.

Trump is placing his ego above the safety of the American people.

[Breccia]

You are talking about an unhinged president.....and what a normal reaction would be.

It's a hypothetical example, true, but Trump can't fire Pence. He knows he can't even try.

He's free to try a non-standard reaction. Right before he gets 25thed or impeached. I'd pay to see that.

(checks stock market)

I am paying to see it. I just want my money's worth.

[PhaelixWW]

The raid boss does 20% damage to all raiders every 90 seconds. Use CDs and stack for raid heals to mitigate the damage.

If you stood in the fire and are at 15% health, it's your fault the boss kills you. Not the healers. Not the tanks. Yours.

We don't have the job growth he promised.

We don't have the trade deals he promised.

We don't have the GDP growth he promised.

We don't have the $4,000 a year from the tax cut for the rich he promised.

We don't have the 10% middle class tax cut he promised.

We don't have growing manufacturing he promised.

We don't even have growing coal like he promised, but that was a long shot anyhow.

Stop making defenses for your no-fingered friend, he's dragging the raid down. Tell him to get out of the fire, or kick him and PUG his spot.

ROFLMAO

Now all I'm going to hear is "Let's PUG the Presidency!"

[Fuiking]

The raid boss does 20% damage to all raiders every 90 seconds. Use CDs and stack for raid heals to mitigate the damage.

If you stood in the fire and are at 15% health, it's your fault the boss kills you. Not the healers. Not the tanks. Yours.

We don't have the job growth he promised.

We don't have the trade deals he promised.

We don't have the GDP growth he promised.

We don't have the $4,000 a year from the tax cut for the rich he promised.

We don't have the 10% middle class tax cut he promised.

We don't have growing manufacturing he promised.

We don't even have growing coal like he promised, but that was a long shot anyhow.

Stop making defenses for your no-fingered friend, he's dragging the raid down. Tell him to get out of the fire, or kick him and PUG his spot.

Mind you, im not a friend of Trump. I actually hate the man, but blaming him for, in raidspeak: Stupidly stacked bad luck rng, combined with stupidity goes abit far.

[Benggaul]

I do agree with you there, what do you think of the travel restrictions? Another failure, and only to keep his fanbase happy or a success but way too late? Or a nasty way to hurt EU economy because he's a spiteful fella' and he saw his chance?

I think travel restrictions are fine at this stage, but the fact that he's exempting the UK is proof that for him it's purely political still.