Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[TigTone]

For clarification: Haven't those effects been the result of having a worse case of the virus to the point that ventilation is required, rather than the use of the ventilators ?

IIRC it was both, the ventilators did help keep people alive but at a tax on the lungs and body.

I’ll have to find study and post it up again.

[DarkAmbient]

Biden just beat the shit out of Trump in a debate.

It was almost embarrassing to watch Trump fail so badly... almost.

Ehh, I think that's a rather rosy characterisation of Biden's performance. Not that I think Biden can't debate, but from what I've seen the merit in Biden's performance is that for the most part he managed not to be phased by all the shit thrown at him from Trump's direction.

[Edge-]

IIRC it was both, the ventilators did help keep people alive but at a tax on the lungs and body.

I’ll have to find study and post it up again.

Please do, I'm very interested. I recall reading/hearing a report on this earlier in the year (around mid-summer) that most of the complications for folks on ventilators were not specifically caused by the ventilators themselves, but by how bad the virus was wrecking their bodies to the point that ventilation was required. I have vague memories of some of that being attributed to the ventilator, but by way of, "the only reason for this is because the body is so weakened" to the point where not being on one would likely lead to death.

[Elegiac]

The White House currently has more hospitalizations due to COVID than the entire country of New Zealand.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Remember when Trump made fun of Hillary for getting a cold... yeah

Karma's a bitch.

[Zaydin]

Unsurprisingly, the Secret Service is reportedly pissed off at Trump and his cohorts behind closed doors because Trump doesn't care about them or their own well-being.

They apparently stopped getting tested for COVID after Trump rallies sometime in August, they don't get the protective equipment they need and even when they do, they feel they have to go maskless in order to blend in with their escortees due to Trumps hostility to masks.

[Elegiac]

Unsurprisingly, the Secret Service is reportedly pissed off at Trump and his cohorts behind closed doors because Trump doesn't care about them or their own well-being.

They apparently stopped getting tested for COVID after Trump rallies sometime in August, they don't get the protective equipment they need and even when they do, they feel they have to go maskless in order to blend in with their escortees due to Trumps hostility to masks.

Hey Zaydin, how do you feel about the Emperor pissing off the Praetorian Guard?

[Zaydin]

Hey Zaydin, how do you feel about the Emperor pissing off the Praetorian Guard?

Generally speaking, pissing off the people who are supposed to be willing to risk their lives to protect you seems like a bad idea.

[draynay]

He will no longer be fit to be the president.

When was he ever?

[eschatological]

Fortunately, the fine people at KIRO 7 News in Washington have already explored that. Though their calculations were before the ballots were printed, I expect it would be much the same as if Trump dies after the election but before January 6th (when the Electoral College votes): his electors would choose someone else to cast their votes for. Who that someone else is would likely be determined by the GOP. If he dies after January 6th, though, then we simply follow the line of succession and Pence becomes President.

My understanding is this: The ballots are already set, so this is what happens:

1. People vote for the Trump/Pence ticket.
2. Assume, hypothetically, the Trump/Pence ticket wins.
3. Electors who are bound vote for Pence for VP (and even unbound electors probably will as well).
4. Electors will be freed to vote for whoever they want for President. There could be an unprecedented campaign to install someone the whole GOP agrees to, but this would be difficult as this would literally install an unvoted-for President to the United States. I imagine all of them will vote for a prominent local Republican, meaning no one secures the electoral votes for POTUS.
(5. Optional: Assuming Trump dies before Jan 21st, Pence may appoint a VP as he ascends to the Presidency. As usual, this person has to pass both houses of Congress, which might be hard, but also politically risky for Dems to deny.)
6. On Jan 21st, Pence is sworn in as VP, and immediately elevated to office of the President as the seat is currently vacant because no one got 270 electoral votes.
7. Pence again nominates someone to be VP. This doesn't need to be the same person as before Jan 21st, but does need to be approved by Congress. Again, Dems could play hardball here, and might have more of a case if they control both houses to get a more moderate person in, like Kasich.

Unfortunately, as far as I understand, Pence would be President no matter what.

[Kraenen]

Biden just beat the shit out of Trump in a debate.

It was almost embarrassing to watch Trump fail so badly... almost.

I was going to say the same for Biden. Constant stammering, fumbling with his words, etc... Trump pretty well destroyed him out the gate, but at least Biden woke up half way through and started getting engaged. It's reassuring that people looked favorably on Biden's performance (given overall, in my opinion, he has a more agreeable outlook), but judging Biden to have "beat the shit out of Trump" is going to require extensive mental gymnastics.

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Ehh, I think that's a rather rosy characterisation of Biden's performance. Not that I think Biden can't debate, but from what I've seen the merit in Biden's performance is that for the most part he managed not to be phased by all the shit thrown at him from Trump's direction.

I took the interpretation more as "Biden's overall platform and policies are better, therefore his debating skills [magically] were better". In terms of administration and policy, yeah, sure Biden has the advantage because he's at least somewhat competent and (mostly) awake. It takes a lot of imagination to think the debate itself was masterfully won by Biden.

[Monster Hunter]

For clarification: Haven't those effects been the result of having a worse case of the virus to the point that ventilation is required, rather than the use of the ventilators?

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How many fuckin Republicans need to catch this god-damned virus before they start listening to the fucking doctors, scientists, and you know fucking experts?

Its the coma your put in.

Cant remember the offical name but its a form of delirium that can last for days or weeks after being placed in a coma and on the ventilator.

[Kraenen]

Biden has a stutter, what’s Trump’s excuse?

Excuse for what?

[nonameelf]

Excuse for what?

Acting like a rabid inbred monkey throwing shit all over the debate stage.

[Drutt]

Please do, I'm very interested. I recall reading/hearing a report on this earlier in the year (around mid-summer) that most of the complications for folks on ventilators were not specifically caused by the ventilators themselves, but by how bad the virus was wrecking their bodies to the point that ventilation was required. I have vague memories of some of that being attributed to the ventilator, but by way of, "the only reason for this is because the body is so weakened" to the point where not being on one would likely lead to death.

https://www.businessinsider.com/what...tilator-2020-4

[Elegiac]

I was going to say the same for Biden. Constant stammering, fumbling with his words, etc... Trump pretty well destroyed him out the gate, but at least Biden woke up half way through and started getting engaged. It's reassuring that people looked favorably on Biden's performance (given overall, in my opinion, he has a more agreeable outlook), but judging Biden to have "beat the shit out of Trump" is going to require extensive mental gymnastics.

You think you're a big man for ragging on someone's speech impediment, huh?

For the record, that's what Trump's tactic was - trying to get Biden to stutter because it's well known that being interrupted or having to start a fresh train of thought are triggers for stuttering.

But then again it's pretty on brand for Trump to attack people's disabilities, I just didn't think you'd be so unsubtle about following his lead.

[Kraenen]

Acting like a rabid inbred monkey throwing shit all over the debate stage.

Because he's Trump? Seemed more or less obvious from the outset...

[Felya]

I was going to say the same for Biden. Constant stammering, fumbling with his words, etc... Trump pretty well destroyed him out the gate, but at least Biden woke up half way through and started getting engaged. It's reassuring that people looked favorably on Biden's performance (given overall, in my opinion, he has a more agreeable outlook), but judging Biden to have "beat the shit out of Trump" is going to require extensive mental gymnastics.

Let’s test this theory...

What is the point of these debates?

[Ripster42]

Experimental drugs for non medical trial sign ups are typically only used as a hail mary play for patients who doctors think will die anyway, because of the risk inherent in giving them experimental drugs.

Eh, I think they're talking about the plasma anti-body treatments. Not really much risk. As much as a blood transfusion.

[kaelleria]

Eh, I think they're talking about the plasma anti-body treatments. Not really much risk. As much as a blood transfusion.

No, this was artificial antibodies. Not convalescent plasma.