Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Edge-]

Damn, so the president denying that he sexually assaulted a woman decades before he was in office and insulting the woman from the podium in the process isn't actually part of the core presidential duties?

Jeffrey (Jefferson? I'm not sure) Sessions and William Pelham Barr will both be positively shocked to hear this!

[gondrin]

So what's funny is I'm listening to the Ultra podcast Rachael Maddow did about that time American Nazis tried to overthrow the US a few times before WWII and I gotta say. It really is remarkable how little right wing legal bullshit tactics have changed since the Nazis were doing it in the 40's. Just delay, delay, delay, cause chaos whenever possible, make pointless filings, play innocent despite everyone knowing what they're doing, openly trolling the court who have to pretend to pure neutrality.

Really interesting how little some things change for the far right, which does seem to find themselves in US courts a lot.

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I'm sure he'll love the latest proposal then -

Just wait until after the 2024 election on November 5 to start it.

You'll absolutely never guess who proposed it.

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How's MAGA doing?

Mike Lindell is auctioning off pillow making equipment like sewing machines, industrial fabric spreaders, and forklifts citing the need to change the business now that his pillows are only in a few stores and most of their business is online. Also that he's lost over $100M from attacks by the big box stores and shopping networks.

That Republican whistleblower Gal Luft, the guy who just got indicted on a range of charges including failing to register under the FARA (foreign agent) and arms traficking and violating Iranian sanctions was also a regular on Fox News. Oops.

Tuckers viewership has cratered. It's still reportedly around 3.8 million which isn't bad! But the way viewership works it's also not as great as it seems as the Fox numbers are higher than reported with reruns and clips viewed online etc. Either way it's lost 86% of his viewership since he started his Twitter show.

Doesn't seem to be going great in MAGA world!

The far right hates the government(unless they are the ones in charge of it) absolutely loves to use that same government to try and gum things up when they cannot get anywhere as far as legislatively.

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Cucker Tarlsons viewers had to switch from simply turning on their TV to using another device and finding his show. Not surprising to me at all that he lost 86% if them.

I "watched" a lot of twitch when they still had a desktop app. It started up with my pc and I would have it in the background, sometimes even with sound turned off. Still counted as a viewer. It would be no problem to have it in a browser... but I simply don't. Can't be arsed to open a tab with it.

Well, after starting my new job and having to deal with a lot of older people trying to use technology, that doesn't come to a surprise. Quite a few of his viewers are older and any form of tech that isn't the TV might as well as be magic to them.

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8oz of red meat with 4 slices of cheese in a single sandwhich......
JFC!

Eh, that is a standard double cheeseburger outside of it having 2 extra slices of cheese.

[Flarelaine]

Damn, so the president denying that he sexually assaulted a woman decades before he was in office and insulting the woman from the podium in the process isn't actually part of the core presidential duties?

Jeffrey (Jefferson? I'm not sure) Sessions and William Pelham Barr will both be positively shocked to hear this!

Jefferson Beauregard. The third. Not one, but two slaveholders, both traitors to boot.

Sessions, his father, and his grandfather were named after Jefferson Davis, a U.S. senator and president of the Confederate States of America,[3] and P. G. T. Beauregard, a veteran of the Mexican–American War and a Confederate general who oversaw the Battle of Fort Sumter that commenced the American Civil War.

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Jefferson Beauregard. The third. Not one, but two slaveholders, both traitors to boot.

With a middle name like that, I'm kicking myself that I ever forgot.

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Remember that "2000 Mules" movie that felon Dinesh did? The one where they promised that all kinds of proof of the massive voter fraud would be revealed?

And then True the Vote, the group supposed to reveal it, ended up not revealing anything at all?

Well True the Vote apparently filed all kinds of complaints with the Secretary of State in Georgia claiming that they'd received detailed accounts of this fraud there and 2000 Mules proved it or something.

Anyways, the AG's office is now asking a judge to order True the Vote to comply with its subpoena requesting this documentary evidence, as GA investigated the claims and found them to be unfounded.

A lawyer for True the Vote in June wrote in a letter that True the Vote had already provided some of the information requested to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation but declined to provide the identities and contact information for people described in its complaints “because doing so may put those persons in physical or personal jeopardy.”

One man falsely accused in the film of committing ballot fraud has filed a still-pending federal lawsuit against True the Vote, D’Souza and others. Surveillance video in the film shows Mark Andrews, his face blurred, depositing five ballots in a drop box in downtown Lawrenceville, a suburb northeast of Atlanta, ahead of the 2020 election. A voiceover by conservative pundit and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza says: “What you are seeing is a crime. These are fraudulent votes.”

A state investigation found that Andrews was dropping off ballots for himself and his three adult children.

It's funny because the people who are actually facing harassment are primarily election workers who just want to do their fucking job and have to deal with unhinged conspiracy theoriests who believe THE BIG LIE threatening them and their families.

Every

Accusation

Is

An

Admission

[Mekh]

Did this thread just lose 100 pages?

[Poopymonster]

Did this thread just lose 100 pages?

Who got nuked/deleted this time? I don't think UnifiedDivide had 100 pages of posts.

[Karreck]

Did this thread just lose 100 pages?

There is some funky shit going on.

[Breccia]

Well True the Vote apparently filed all kinds of complaints with the Secretary of State in Georgia claiming that they'd received detailed accounts of this fraud there and 2000 Mules proved it or something.

If you have proof of a crime, publicly announce that you have proof of the crime, and do not bring that proof forwards, that should be obstruction. A felony. Not defamation, prison, for withholding necessary evidence of a crime -- which, again, you say in public you have.

Of course, these guys are lying. That's defamation. Either way, warrant. Don't announce you have evidence of a crime and then hide it. That's just fucking stupid.

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Yet another book written by yet another Only Sane Person In The WH. Throw it in the pile.

This one's interesting, it's Cassidy Hutchinson, who fled the WH after Jan 6th and is, therefore, trying to salvage her reputation and future in DC. But she's in the same situation as all the others.
1) She worked willingly for Trump.
2) She turned on Trump.
3) Her career is over.

The book is billed as the "saga of a woman whose fierce determination helped her overcome difficult childhood challenges to get her dream job" — only to face a crisis of conscience after being privy to West Wing meetings and conversations amid the Capitol attack.

Yeah, everything was just fine until Jan 6th? Whatever. Have fun flipping burgers.

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Yeah, everything was just fine until Jan 6th? Whatever. Have fun flipping burgers.

It's been a while since we've seen the, "Trump associates can't get jobs." articles. I wonder if that's all blown over or if they've all found themselves some conservative millionaire sugar daddy so they can benefit from some conservative political socialism for out of work politicians.

You know, like Christie, Haley, and others are doing right now.

[Breccia]

DeSantis Hits Trump for Skipping Iowa Event and Refusing to Commit to Debate

Nobody is entitled to this nomination. You have got to earn the nomination.

I’ll be at all the debates because the American people deserve to hear from us directly about our vision for the country and about how we’re going to be able to beat Joe Biden.

Carefully crafted words by DeSantis. "Entitled". "Earn". Not mentioning Trump by name. It's very well done.

And it won't work. DeSantis needs the publicity of the debates to get his message out. Trump has TV and Twitter. Yes, he'll return to Twitter. Trump knows he sucks at debating and knows he can't answer actual, meaningful questions.

However, if they have the balls to do it, the RNC can make this work. I don't think they will, based purely on 2016 and 2020 (they're showing signs of breaking form but haven't done it yet), but they could say "we will not support and will not nominate anyone who refuses to debate". It's way too early for Trump to call their bluff. Trump would just show up, call everyone silly names and yell "rigged" into the mic, lose 20 percent and still be the RNC frontrunner.

The Republican Party knows that Trump is killing them. They know that supporting Trump in 2024 will end in a loss, possibly even worse than Trump's loss in 2020 and Trump's losses in 2018 and 2022, giving Biden the House and Senate for two years. They can stick with him anyhow, they can find a tasteful way to move him off the ticket and keep his voters, or they can throw him out now and hope to recover in time. (They can also pray that Trump goes to jail or dies and spares them the effort, but even Republicans know praying doesn't have a great track record of getting results) Or, they can try to get him back in line -- a risky move with a low chance of success. In theory it's possible. Trump wants to spend other people's money instead of his own, and Trump wants people to chant his name in public. Handling the sociopathic narcisist to make him do what you want is possible. Risky, but possible.

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https://twitter.com/hearnimator/stat...32114267119616

The Trump campaign is recycling Nazi imagery in their fundraising emails.

Again.

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https://twitter.com/hearnimator/stat...32114267119616

The Trump campaign is recycling Nazi imagery in their fundraising emails.

Again.

How long before another vapid "OMG you guys call everyone you disagree with a Nazi" defense of this?

[Breccia]

https://twitter.com/hearnimator/stat...32114267119616

Ah yes, the old Deep State puppetmaster thing. Trump supporters seem to forget Trump took in just as much fundraiser money as everyone else, including Russian/NRA money. They just pretend somehow Trump is the only politician who hasn't.

That's how you remain a Trump supporter. Pretending. Willfully believing lies.

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Legal experts see strong potential for Trump charges in Jan. 6 probe

Trump could face charges under at least three statutes in connection with his efforts to remain in power after the 2020 election, according to a review of the case by legal experts.

The analysis, offered in a model prosecution memo akin to what is typically prepared by prosecutors ahead of bringing charges, determines there is sufficient evidence to bring a case against Trump as well as several co-conspirators.

“Trump knew he lost the election but did not want to give up power, so he worked with his lawyers and others on a wide variety of schemes to change the outcome,” a group of former prosecutors and legal experts wrote in the memo published on Just Security.

“Those schemes included creating fraudulent electoral certificates that were submitted to Congress, implicating statutes such as 18 U.S.C. § 371, which prohibits conspiracies to defraud the United States in the administration of elections.”

Creating those fake electoral certificates could also implicate statutes that prohibit obstruction of an official proceeding, one of the charges also leveled at numerous rioters who entered the building, including members of the Oath Keepers and military and chauvinist group the Pride Boys.

Fuck!

the Proud Boys.

The attorneys also said that Trump could be charged under a statute that prohibits inciting an insurrection and giving aid or comfort to insurrectionists.

They write, however, that such charges would be weighed with “extreme caution” since they are rarely brought be prosecutors.

“We believe there is sufficient evidence to pursue it—as did the Select Committee in making a criminal referral of Trump under that statute—but prosecutors may make different choices,” the memo states.

Yeah, @cubby feel free to step in, but this reads a lot like "we know it's illegal, but we're not going to prosecute this massive world-changing crime because we just don't want to". If it's against the law, and someone does it, you arrest them and prosecute them. Selective prosecution is bad enough as it is. Having a law specifically saying "don't lead a murderous insurrection" and not using it the one time it's actually broken isn't law enforcement. That's complacency. It may be more complicated than that, no, it is more complicated than that, but it's objectively on the books and there's enough evidence to move forward. Like, if you called 911 and said "someone is trying to kill me and take my stuff" do you want the police saying "Hm....no, we just don't want to"? Trump tried to kill democracy and steal a country. Arrest him. He's running in 2024? Fine, so am I. I better not hear anything from John Q. Traffic Cop when I run a stop sign and/or over a small child.

Before anyone asks, yes, if Trump pleads out that's different. He won't, but I'll accept is as a hypothetical. Letting Trump go for murderous insurrection in exchange for a guilty plea for stealing government top secret information sounds pretty realistic. I mean, something like that happened to Hunter Biden.

I will say, the way this is described as "strong potential" for charges that are nearly never brought, that's pretty damning.

[Poopymonster]

Ah yes, the old Deep State puppetmaster thing. Trump supporters seem to forget Trump took in just as much fundraiser money as everyone else, including Russian/NRA money. They just pretend somehow Trump is the only politician who hasn't.

That's how you remain a Trump supporter. Pretending. Willfully believing lies.

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Legal experts see strong potential for Trump charges in Jan. 6 probe



Fuck!



Yeah, @cubby feel free to step in, but this reads a lot like "we know it's illegal, but we're not going to prosecute this massive world-changing crime because we just don't want to". If it's against the law, and someone does it, you arrest them and prosecute them. Selective prosecution is bad enough as it is. Having a law specifically saying "don't lead a murderous insurrection" and not using it the one time it's actually broken isn't law enforcement. That's complacency. It may be more complicated than that, no, it is more complicated than that, but it's objectively on the books and there's enough evidence to move forward. Like, if you called 911 and said "someone is trying to kill me and take my stuff" do you want the police saying "Hm....no, we just don't want to"? Trump tried to kill democracy and steal a country. Arrest him. He's running in 2024? Fine, so am I. I better not hear anything from John Q. Traffic Cop when I run a stop sign and/or over a small child.

Before anyone asks, yes, if Trump pleads out that's different. He won't, but I'll accept is as a hypothetical. Letting Trump go for murderous insurrection in exchange for a guilty plea for stealing government top secret information sounds pretty realistic. I mean, something like that happened to Hunter Biden.

I will say, the way this is described as "strong potential" for charges that are nearly never brought, that's pretty damning.

I wouldn't jump quickly into that charge, since if enough Trumphadi jurists find him not guilty, it could have repercussion on trials that are happening/going to happen.

"See? TRUMP was found innocent of leading an insurrection. It wasn't an insurrection. He was found innocent of it. There was no insurrection. My client can't be guilty of being involved in something that didn't happen." A MAGA defense attorney's closing statement.

[Breccia]

I wouldn't jump quickly into that charge, since if enough Trumphadi jurists find him not guilty, it could have repercussion on trials that are happening/going to happen.

Okay, I see your point, but if these charges are basically never brought and the one time they could be nothing happens...what repurcussions are we talking about? Who are we worried about protecting, here? Trump's the only one that has done this since, like, the Civil War.

EDIT: Let me add, is the result of him being found not guilty worse than the message of watching him commit the crime in broad daylight, and then just not charging him at all?

[Edge-]

https://www.cleveland.com/court-just...-accident.html

THEY FOUND MORE VOTER FRAUD!

It's an Ohio attorney who voted multiple times in the last two elections. His attorney (never represent yourself) is arguing his client should be acquitted because it was an accident.

Oh, and he's apparently a Trump supporter, so decidedly not a Democrat.

How does this keep happening and why is it almost always a Republican?!?!?!?!?!

[Poopymonster]

Okay, I see your point, but if these charges are basically never brought and the one time they could be nothing happens...what repurcussions are we talking about? Who are we worried about protecting, here? Trump's the only one that has done this since, like, the Civil War.

EDIT: Let me add, is the result of him being found not guilty worse than the message of watching him commit the crime in broad daylight, and then just not charging him at all?

I said not to jump in quickly. Not never to jump. Nail the big terrorists, secure sentences, get their cohorts. Fry the big fish, then you go whale hunting.

[Breccia]

I said not to jump in quickly.

Fair enough, I think we're in full agreement there.

For what it's worth, I think Agent Smith (and others) are showing exactly that level of restraint. But once the FBI kicked in the door of Mar-a-Lago, thar she blows.

[Gorsameth]

https://www.cleveland.com/court-just...-accident.html

THEY FOUND MORE VOTER FRAUD!

It's an Ohio attorney who voted multiple times in the last two elections. His attorney (never represent yourself) is arguing his client should be acquitted because it was an accident.

Oh, and he's apparently a Trump supporter, so decidedly not a Democrat.

How does this keep happening and why is it almost always a Republican?!?!?!?!?!

How do you vote multiple times on accident?
I think the bar should probably revoke their licence. Someone who can't remember they already voted earlier that day should not be representing people in court.

[Paranoid Android]

A Donald Trump-aligned super PAC made an unusual payment of $155,000 to Melania Trump in December 2021, according to a new personal financial disclosure filing by the former president on Thursday.

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/st...ScYIFvqEQ&s=19

Reckless speculation here, but I'm sure Melania gets a paycheck for just hanging around so Trump don't gets embarrassed with a divorce.

At least this is of course Trump just taking money for his own.