I think it's pretty understated (if it was ever mentioned), but Zelenksy seems pretty self-assured Trump isn't coming back to office. He's made a number of recent slandering statements shitting on him as a Putin croney and piece of shit, things that would make for terrible foreign relations if Trump is re-elected.
"Truth...justice, honor, freedom! Vain indulgences, every one(...) I know what I want, and I take it. I take advantage of whatever I can, and discard that which I cannot. There is no room for sentiment or guilt."
Rep. Lauren Boebert Mocked For Wanton Abuse Of The English Language
the thing about wonton killings is that you have to be careful where you dumpling the bodiesPfft. Everyone knows the Wantans were killed by General Tso.We all teach our kids, “When you don’t know a word - look it up or ask.”
Is this her first night with the Bible??And of courseremember when Dan Quayle misspelled 'potato' and because the American people held politicians to such high standards his career never recovered?
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Hey, have you noticed how you never respond to people when they call you out on questionable or even outright false statements?
https://apnews.com/article/health-ga...2ac3a7aeb50e55
Republicans, the party of "law and order" are choosing to ignore the ruling of the Minesotta court which rejected their attempt to prevent people from changing the gender on their birth certificate. Wherever you stand on this issue, I think we can agree that Republicans simply ignoring judicial rulings isn't a good thing.
https://www.advocate.com/breaking-ne...ital-bomb-hoax
Good news! All the Q fucks in the Republican party harassing the Boston Childrens Hospital? Well, one has been arrested for making a bomb threat.
Protip: Don't make bomb threats from your personal phone.Rollins said that investigators obtained warrants and tracked the call to a T-Mobile phone owned by the suspect. Officials said her arrest was “without incident” at her Westfield home.
I mean, don't make bomb threats at all. But if you do, please use your phone so it's easier for law enforcement to track you down and arrest you.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3...icizing-trump/
House Minority Leader Andrew McCarthy believes he knows who the sneaky Republican who recorded him shit talking Trump behind Trump's back, and then gave the audio to the NYT, is.
Reminder: McCarthy denied the authenticity of the leaked audio at first. But this didn't permanently damage his relationship with Trump, who did end up endorsing his reelection bid this year. Apparently...Republicans actually like McCarthy? Weird, but alright I guess.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/15/polit...ter/index.html
Special master appointed, DoJ will likely be appealing to allow them to continue their investigation.A Brooklyn-based federal judge was selected on Thursday to serve as an independent arbiter to review the materials seized in the FBI's search of former President Donald Trump's Florida home.
The special master will be Senior Judge Raymond Dearie, who was put forward as a possible candidate for the special master role by Trump, who had sued in court to obtain the review. The Justice Department also endorsed Dearie's appointment.
US District Judge Aileen Cannon also rejected the Justice Department's bid to revive its criminal investigation into classified documents seized at Mar-a-Lago last month. The denial sets the stage for the department's dispute with Trump over the search to move quickly to an appeals court and potentially the US Supreme Court.
I do kinda get the judge's reasoning "If I were willing to take the FBI at their word about a partial redaction, I wouldn't have appointed a special master at all"
I've posted on Dearie before. I don't think he'll do Trump any favors, just for being Trump. And I don't think the FBI took Trump's personal documents and plans to keep them -- Trump's medical bills, credit card builds and black book of friends' wives he wants to bang aren't national security issues.
What the fucking shit is this? Are they both fucking clinically stupid?
https://twitter.com/lavern_spicer/st...00019222904832
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Never made or commented on the claim that Trump could've declassified them
Never made or commented on claims that Trump properly stored them
Surely, you're proving I have company.Also important for people slow on the draw
We're making it a party here on taking up arguments nobody made in this thread.
He can't assert privilege to prevent seizure. But the FBI can't ignore privilege when they hand them off to investigative teams. And a judge agreed and cited court precedent in the ruling.Why? Because his lawyers, in their filings, to do not state that Trump has asserted privilege over these documents. Again because he doesn't have the authority to do so.
I'm glad somebody found it helpful when he answered unasked questions. I'll wait around for him, since the poster referenced wanted to return with some of his own.
This is at the early stage of process, so we'll see if Trump is eventually indicted. The only harm the FBI could do in this case would be to ignore privilege claims during its criminal investigation. Trump's lawyer brought a successful lawsuit on that point and related ones.
I'm well aware that lefties lash out at judges when they don't win rulings. It's very important to attack judges in order to help voters understand they're the party of preserving norms and defending Democracy. Especially when this is just a ruling about process, not something big like a criminal trial. Argumentum ad populum.
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Only responding to the Bold bit. Because this is where you seem extremely confused.
Things that are covered by Executive Privilige and are documents?
Those aren't Trumps. They belong to the government. If they are documents and covered by executive privilige they should be in NARAs hands. Not Trumps. That's where the fucking issue starts.
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@tehdang
Typically don't respond but will put it like this.
1) If it is Executive Privileged documents, then it isn't Trump's as he isn't the president and shouldn't have it. Just like if you were the manager of a company and then quit or got fired, you aren't allowed to take company information with you.
2) If it's classified documents, its not covered under Attorney Client privilege as the lawyers weren't legally allowed to be viewing it anyways and even if Trump showed it to them, that doesn't make it Trumps, just like when you managed the company in #1, if you showed your lawyer trade secrets or stuff covered by security clearance, those documents still belonged to the company and not you.
3) The claim of Executive Privilege lies completely within the hands of the sitting president, when they are gone, so does the power to claim it. Obama could have revoked it on anything Bush Jr. claimed it on, Trump could have revoked anything Obama claimed it on, Biden can revoke anything Trump claimed it on, and so on. Because those documents didn't belong to any of them but the office itself.
There is no legal defense Trump can realistically give that would hold up in any reputable court on this. Any court that rules in his favor on this legal point are the same kind of people that would acquit a murdering rapist a century ago just because the victim was black.
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4) If he declassified anything while in office, there would be required to have a record of it, no record of it means it didn't ever OFFICIALLY happen.
5) Even if he did, their standards still require them to treat any documents still labeled as classified as though they were still classified. And those still had the markings.
6) Not even the president has the authority to declassify information about our nuclear technology, so even if he tried to when he was president, he wouldn't have had the authority to do so.
Lets face it, the only defense Trump has is the same one the Afluenza teen had.
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7) Even if he declassified the information with a record of it and even if much of it was never classified to begin with, he still would not be allowed to carry the originals of this stuff, he would have been required to turn them over to the archives and at best kept copies of it. He is legally required to turn all that stuff over to keep records and has been a federal law ever since Nixon tried to take his own recordings with him to keep them from being turned over and kept.
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Since we can't call out Trolls and Bad Faith posters and the Ignore function doesn't actually ignore it. Add
"mmo-champion.com##li.postbitignored"
to your ublock or adblock filter to actually ignore ignored posters. Now just need a way to ignore responses to them as well.
Yep, Andrew Napolitano, I don't care for his politics and who he works/worked for in Fox News, but he has a similar view, and he has explained this on Tiktok that Trump has fucked up and has no legal basis for any of this. He has also stated that the judge has fucked up as well, as there is no precedent for this special master shit.
https://www.tiktok.com/@judgenap/vid...82817216628229
https://www.tiktok.com/@judgenap/vid...82817216628229
The 2nd link explains everything about declassification and the procedure he has to follow.
I think @tehdang is huffing the copium really hard that what Trump did was perfectly legal.
Spoilers: It wasn't.
Regardless of any executive privilege, they found secret documents on nuclear tech in Trump's possession. Even if tehdang's assertions about executive privilege for other documents were true (which they're hilariously not), Trump is still fucked vis a vis the nuclear tech documents.
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2023: "What's with all these massively successful games with ugly (realistic) women? How could this have happened?!"
Nothing I actually said made comment or actually cares whether you specifically commented on those things. You've made multiple comments defending the legality of Trump's actions/dishonestly painting the FBI's attempts to retrieve classified American property as illegal/improper. And you seemed profoundly confused by the very basic concept of Executive privilege so I'm just trying to use the crayon and paper to draw a map to get you to understanding.
And because of that it's almost 100% guaranteed those very very basic and key points undermining your rampant defense of your orange God it needed to be explained to you that regardless of any shitty defenses you've made of Trump this far, or if you specifically commented on them yet, there are numerous issues you're choosing to ignore, obfuscate, or deliberately misunderstand and misrepresent facts.
So new score 2 points for me and at this point with various penalties your score has to be negative.
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