Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Flarelaine]

Wait what? What kind of crooked logic leads you to this ridiculous conclusion!?

It is in fact ridiculous, but I cannot delve into it without having to infract myself for forbidden topics. I apologise for even mentioning it in the first place - I jumped to point out the irony before thinking it through.

[Orbitus]

If he said something racist he would be racist. We already know that we dont agree on whenever his tweet was racist or not. You are not going to change my mind and I am not going to change yours.

We know he is fucking racist, he has been sued probably a dozen fucking times for being fucking racist, the first 2 being where he wouldn't rent to fucking black people. Then he was sued for not allowing black dealers on the floors of his casino if a certain mob boss came in. You literally have no fucking evidence that suggests that he isn't fucking racist.

[Crispin]

Exactly. Tons of words and money towards stupidities like biodiesel and corn ethanol, tons of licensing and obstacles for nuclear because it is supposedly "dangerous, dirty and expensive". Hopefully now this will end.

Exactly what? You wrote

However, who is and was the biggest obstacle to nuclear power? The Dems.

In that link it shows that the dem Obama supported new powerplants, clearly contradicting your false claim.

[rda]

In that link it shows that the dem Obama supported new powerplants, clearly contradicting your false claim.

Read through the link, it shows that this was the first such support in 30 years. It's even in the title. That's the entire point and why it is at all noteworthy, that this is the first support for a nuclear plant in a long time.

[Cizr]

We know he is fucking racist, he has been sued probably a dozen fucking times for being fucking racist, the first 2 being where he wouldn't rent to fucking black people. Then he was sued for not allowing black dealers on the floors of his casino if a certain mob boss came in. You literally have no fucking evidence that suggests that he isn't fucking racist.

You should not refer to black people as "fucking black people" when you are talking about alleged racism.

[Wyrt]

In that link it shows that the dem Obama supported new powerplants, clearly contradicting your false claim.

And the last one before that was 1978, when Jimmy Carter(Democrat) was president.

Read through the link, it shows that this was the first such support in 30 years. It's even in the title. That's the entire point and why it is at all noteworthy, that this is the first support for a nuclear plant in a long time.

The only Democrat as president between Carter and Obama was Clinton. So, at best you can say, "Bill Clinton didn't support nuclear power."

[rda]

The only Democrat as president between Carter and Obama was Clinton. So, at best you can say, "Bill Clinton didn't support nuclear power."

OK, fine, I don't have time to dig up the archives to show Dem / Rep stances, etc, and maybe I am misremembering because of the bias of whatever, so I'll simply rephrase: it is hilarious that there was a lot of obstacles for nuclear power and that it is only now that we will likely see this stupidity overcame because of another stupidity - the "existential threat" of global warming.

See this, for example:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...nuclear-power/

[Crispin]

OK, fine, I don't have time to dig up the archives to show Dem / Rep stances, etc, and maybe I am misremembering because of the bias of whatever, so I'll simply rephrase: it is hilarious that there was a lot of obstacles for nuclear power and that it is only now that we will likely see this stupidity overcame because of another stupidity - the "existential threat" of global warming.

See this, for example:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/...nuclear-power/

just lol, so you cant find anything to support your claim. Becoming a habit of yours isnt it? Spewing unsupported nonsense.

[Cizr]

Sure you don't. You just randomly use the phrase "makes you think" in this context.

Its pretty common phrase. How do you know about it? Am I right and you were projecting and really visit /pol/ ?

[D Luniz]

It only became dying as result of conscious decision by Obama's EPA to make it die though.

Graphs show that it didn't decline before that.

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I'm not cheering anything.

Is coal mining one of worst occupations for long-term health? Is coal mining one of worst "death per terrawatt" statistics, both extraction and pollutants? Definitely.

As far as i'm concerned, best to kill it and replace everything with nuclear.

Still, Democrat government decided to kill it. They enacted plans that destroyed jobs and communities that depended on it without any real plans for replacement. Trump promised to reverse those, and that clearly got some votes for him.

And as Trump is largely holding up to his promise in this regard that is likely going to get him votes in next election as well - and going against that is going to lose Democrats votes again.

No plans to replace you say...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-t...-idUSKBN1D14G0

there have been federal funds available to state run programs for retraining, the miners just wont do it cause they want to believe it will come back

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It has been dying because Obama's administration decided that better sources are already there and people shouldn't die mining coal. Noble effort, perhaps, one i can even agree with, but one that lost Democrats votes and some key states in Presidential election (among other factors).

Voters voted against this approach of government deciding for them how they should live their lives and how they should make a living. If they didn't want to die as coal miners, they could always quit and go do something else - assuming alternative existed. Democrats didn't create those alternatives.

Creating jobs by creating teaching positions for retraining... not actual jobs people could use after being retrained.

Number do not support this statement.

companies dont want to move to a area where no one knows how to do the type of work they need.

[Bakis]

Trumps defenders are usual experts at talking about negative comments by Trump in a vacuum never able to see the red thread.

If Trump said the following:
-Damn you
(3s pause)
-black people
(3s pause)
-go back and
(3s pause)
-pick cotton!

they would still not say hes racist.

[SirBeef]

She used same rhetoric that jews hating neo nazi use - that Jews tricked the World and USA is controled by them.

“Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel.”

“I want to talk about the political influence in this country that says it is okay to push for allegiance to a foreign country,”

In mid-February, Omar created another stir when she tweeted that support for Israel in the US Congress was “all about the Benjamins,” suggesting that the pro-Israel lobby AIPAC was buying off American politicians. This smacked of the well-worn conspiracy theory that Jewish financiers buy off American politicians, and led to Democratic leadership publicly condemning Omar’s comments.

Nothing anti-semantic about any of those. Just because Israel plays the victim card all the fucking time while promoting the violence that they say threatens them. Or pointing out that they have their hands all over our political system is not anti-semantic. You can criticize Israel and it's role in American/world politics. All this is is dog-whistling racism against a black, Muslim, woman. But for some reason that is perfectly fine.

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Trumps defenders are usual experts at talking about negative comments by Trump in a vacuum never able to see the red thread.

If Trump said the following:
-Damn you
(3s pause)
-black people
(3s pause)
-go back and
(3s pause)
-pick cotton!

they would still not say hes racist.

Racism is not just about the specific words you say. But the right would have you believe that is the only way to define racism. Completely ignoring the systemic racism that 1, this country was built on, and 2, that has been in place for hundreds of years. Sure words and phrases can be racist. It is the narrowest form of racism. It is also the only form of racism the right will accept, but even then they don't/ You got to take in all of Trumps actions over his 50 year public history. You know like not renting to blacks and being sued. Comments like not trusting blacks with his money, he wants the guys in the funny hats to do so(referring to Jews, which is an actual anti-semantic statement), spending nearly $100K on adds in the paper to call for the execution of 5 innocent black kids, the shit hole countries comments, the Muslim ban, the citizenship question. There are literally thousands more, but these are the big ones.

If this was Joe Biden, all you conservatards here would label him a racist.

[Cizr]

Trumps defenders are usual experts at talking about negative comments by Trump in a vacuum never able to see the red thread.

If Trump said the following:
-Damn you
(3s pause)
-black people
(3s pause)
-go back and
(3s pause)
-pick cotton!

they would still not say hes racist.

Nice strawman argument

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I do indeed visit /pol/, and have many retarded friends who visit /pol/, so I am familiar with the phrase.

Guess I was right then. I dont get why you visit that cesspit but you do you.

[Breccia]

I refuse the notion that stereotyping is in itself racist. Especially because it can very well happen to any group that is defined by anything other than a common race just as well.

It can, yes, and it would not be racist if it was. But when it is defined by race, it's not just stereotyping, it's racist.

I think you and I are going to disagree on the exact name of the excuse the rabid fanbase use for Trump's behavior but agree that it's a lame-ass limp-dick IMPOTUS excuse for Trump's blatantly unAmerican, unPresidential, Deplorable behavior.

[rda]

If this was Joe Biden, all you conservatards here would label him a racist.

Nope.

Overall, your definition of racism is grotesquely broad. It includes so much stuff and that stuff is decidedly vaguely defined seemingly because you want to have grounds to call people racist on demand.

[Acidbaron]

Racist president voted in by racists, is racist.

Hardly a surprise here, people lacking proper parents and eduction doesn't change what racism is and isn't. America really needs to come to terms with this if it wants to evolve, racism in Europe is still bad but like with most thing you guys still seem stuck 50 years in time at least. What ironically is what people find from conservative muslims extremists here, guess muslims extremists and evangelicals are the same, not a surprise at all for those able to look it both groups objectively.

[ati87]

Nice strawman argument

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Guess I was right then. I dont get why you visit that cesspit but you do you.

Is it though? He is pointing out the obsession right-wingers have with semantics, so in his example he is adding the 3 seconds pause and Trump defenders would use that pause to make the claim that it's a new sentence.

Trump defenders are inconsistent

[kaelleria]

Oops -
https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/wa...ty-64001605666

[Wyrt]

For anyone still saying Trump isn't racist:
https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publicatio...ants-facts.cfm

"Ethnic slurs and other verbal or physical conduct because of nationality are illegal if they are severe or pervasive and create an intimidating, hostile or offensive working environment, interfere with work performance, or negatively affect job opportunities. Examples of potentially unlawful conduct include insults, taunting, or ethnic epithets, such as making fun of a person's foreign accent or comments like, "Go back to where you came from, " whether made by supervisors or by co-workers."

The federal agency in charge of protecting people from discrimination has it as one of their examples for racist harassment.

[Cizr]

Is it though? He is pointing out the obsession right-wingers have with semantics, so in his example he is adding the 3 seconds pause and Trump defenders would use that pause to make the claim that it's a new sentence.

Trump defenders are inconsistent

Some are for sure, just as those who dont like Trump are. Only a fanatic would think that one group is full of good and smart people and other full of evil dumbasses

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Racist president voted in by racists, is racist.

Hardly a surprise here, people lacking proper parents and eduction doesn't change what racism is and isn't. America really needs to come to terms with this if it wants to evolve, racism in Europe is still bad but like with most thing you guys still seem stuck 50 years in time at least. What ironically is what people find from conservative muslims extremists here, guess muslims extremists and evangelicals are the same, not a surprise at all for those able to look it both groups objectively.

Ah yeah , almost half of USA voters are racist, including PoC