The Brexit aftermath thread

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

LOL it's the EU's fault, they broke the clock and didn't have to grant an extension to the remain minority that want one. They could have supported democracy and listened to the majority and yet refused. Shameful.

They listened to the UK government, who requested the extension on behalf of the majority of MPs that want one.

Good to see that you would be happy to have the EU impose its will on the UK though. I knew you'd come around to it sometime. We'll make a Eurochum out of you by Christmas at this rate!

[Northern Goblin]

Also, isn't a one-line election motion amendable.

Yup. Tomorrow will be full of shenanigans.

[Fuiking]

They listened to the UK government, who requested the extension on behalf of the majority of MPs that want one.

Good to see that you would be happy to have the EU impose its will on the UK though. I knew you'd come around to it sometime. We'll make a Eurochum out of you by Christmas at this rate!

Dont challenge his excistence.. otherwise we get a massive personality crisis. And im not ready yet to deal with that shitfest

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Yup. Tomorrow will be full of shenanigans.

Fully expecting something like this to be proposed:

The Fixed Term Parliament Act 2011 notwithstanding, does this Place call for a general election referendum on the membership of the EU of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island, with leaving to be decided by no less than a 2/3 majority in favour (67% of the vote) on 129th December, 2019.


Also, that "Any Deal Will Do" video is brilliant.

[Northern Goblin]

Can you imagine if leave needs 2/3 while remain only needs a simple majority? That would cause riots.

Also probably something about scottish referendums would get tacked in there.

[Noradin]

Can you imagine if leave needs 2/3 while remain only needs a simple majority? That would cause riots.

Also probably something about scottish referendums would get tacked in there.

If leave needs 2/3 then remain only needs 1/3 (since it is practically impossible that nobody would spoil their vote).

[Gorsameth]

LOL it's the EU's fault, they broke the clock and didn't have to grant an extension to the remain minority that want one. They could have supported democracy and listened to the majority and yet refused. Shameful.

Must be desperate for the additional 3bn remainers would rather send to the EU for another 3 months of nothing than fund our poor NHS. Shameful.

Oh well wait until tomorrow evening, the broken clock will be repaired, up and running again and the tocks will tick once more towards the inevitable.

Remainers here, remainers there, Brexiteers seek them out everywhere, nowhere left to hide from that coming GE and clean brexit soon...tick tock!

So how did a remain minority pass a law with a majority that requests another extension if a majority doesn't agree to a deal by a certain date.
And how did the leave majority fail to pass Boris's brilliant deal?

[Pann]

'Opposition sources think there could still be movement on election date to get Lib Dems and/or SNP on board. So don't make plans for 10 or 11 December just yet.

Or if you work in Westminster, don't make plans ever.'

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/s...54000944705539

It just can't be on 9th or 12th! Bunch of children.

[Northern Goblin]

If leave needs 2/3 then remain only needs 1/3 (since it is practically impossible that nobody would spoil their vote).

No, it could be that leave gets 60% in that scenario but fails to attain the threshold, so there's no result.

[Kronik85]

So it's looking like the Turkeys are about to vote for Christmas.

[Jessicka]

So it's looking like the Turkeys are about to vote for Christmas.

No change there then.

[dribbles]

So it's looking like the Turkeys are about to vote for Christmas.

Are you allowed to call remainers Turkeys? Anyhow current odds...

Expectations on who will win the most seats:

Conservatives -1/6
Labour - 5/1
Lib Dems - 25/1
Green Party - 250/1

Boris must be doing something very very well to be riding so high in the polls and another clear win for dumping the rotten EU wouldn't you say? The people will have their say...

I love democracy.

[Skroe]

Are you allowed to call remainers Turkeys? Anyhow current odds...

Expectations on who will win the most seats:

Conservatives -1/6
Labour - 5/1
Lib Dems - 25/1
Green Party - 250/1

Boris must be doing something very very well to be riding so high in the polls and another clear win for dumping the rotten EU wouldn't you say? The people will have their say...

I love democracy.

No. It's that he couldn't genetically engineer a better foil in Red Jeremy in a lab if he tried.

Labour has been following the old leftist tradition of purging its own side of those not as ideological as the dear leader. Socialists and communists have been going after " the enemy within" with particular verve for as long as there's been parties. This had lead to a shrinking Labour party, and a putting its future in the hands of the hard left that does not offer policies that the British public seem at all interested in buying.

Brexit - when it happens - will have been midwifed by Jeremy Corbyn, who was always for it of course. It will have been made possible because he is a highly ideological cretin that's turned his own team against itself and never should have been put in the position he is. He failed to rally opinion against Brexit in the referendum. And he has largely failed to rally cross-party opposition against the minority conservative government. By rights, he deserves a complete shallacking in the election.

So basically, congratulations on living in the Timeline where Jeremy Corbyn, and basically not anybody else, became Labour leader. When you leave, remember to send him an edible arrangement for making it possible.

The hilarious part is, when Labour loses in the election that gives Boris Johnson the votes he needs to Brexit on his deal by eating up the seats held by Change UK and some of Labour, Red Jeremy will not do the honorable thing and take responsibility and stand aside. His enablers, like long time British maniac and all around crazy person Seamus Milne, will tell him that there is nobody in the party to challenge him for leadership, so he should just take it on the face and keep going forward.

Semi-related: You want to read some truly remarkable crazy crap? Read ol' Seamus Milne's Guardian CIF rants from the mid 2000s. Those were something special. Be sure to bring a stiff drink. And yeah that's the man who is one of Red Jeremy's chief advisers.

[Jessicka]

No. It's that he couldn't genetically engineer a better foil in Red Jeremy in a lab if he tried.

Labour has been following the old leftist tradition of purging its own side of those not as ideological as the dear leader. Socialists and communists have been going after " the enemy within" with particular verve for as long as there's been parties. This had lead to a shrinking Labour party, and a putting its future in the hands of the hard left that does not offer policies that the British public seem at all interested in buying.

Brexit - when it happens - will have been midwifed by Jeremy Corbyn, who was always for it of course. It will have been made possible because he is a highly ideological cretin that's turned his own team against itself and never should have been put in the position he is. He failed to rally opinion against Brexit in the referendum. And he has largely failed to rally cross-party opposition against the minority conservative government. By rights, he deserves a complete shallacking in the election.

So basically, congratulations on living in the Timeline where Jeremy Corbyn, and basically not anybody else, became Labour leader. When you leave, remember to send him an edible arrangement for making it possible.

The hilarious part is, when Labour loses in the election that gives Boris Johnson the votes he needs to Brexit on his deal by eating up the seats held by Change UK and some of Labour, Red Jeremy will not do the honorable thing and take responsibility and stand aside. His enablers, like long time British maniac and all around crazy person Seamus Milne, will tell him that there is nobody in the party to challenge him for leadership, so he should just take it on the face and keep going forward.

Semi-related: You want to read some truly remarkable crazy crap? Read ol' Seamus Milne's Guardian CIF rants from the mid 2000s. Those were something special. Be sure to bring a stiff drink. And yeah that's the man who is one of Red Jeremy's chief advisers.

Labour aren't really the ones at risk of losing any more, though they're not at much risk of gaining much either. The problems for the Conservatives are the Lib Dems and SNP.

[dribbles]

No. It's that he couldn't genetically engineer a better foil in Red Jeremy in a lab if he tried.

Labour has been following the old leftist tradition of purging its own side of those not as ideological as the dear leader. Socialists and communists have been going after " the enemy within" with particular verve for as long as there's been parties. This had lead to a shrinking Labour party, and a putting its future in the hands of the hard left that does not offer policies that the British public seem at all interested in buying.

Brexit - when it happens - will have been midwifed by Jeremy Corbyn, who was always for it of course. It will have been made possible because he is a highly ideological cretin that's turned his own team against itself and never should have been put in the position he is. He failed to rally opinion against Brexit in the referendum. And he has largely failed to rally cross-party opposition against the minority conservative government. By rights, he deserves a complete shallacking in the election.

So basically, congratulations on living in the Timeline where Jeremy Corbyn, and basically not anybody else, became Labour leader. When you leave, remember to send him an edible arrangement for making it possible.

The hilarious part is, when Labour loses in the election that gives Boris Johnson the votes he needs to Brexit on his deal by eating up the seats held by Change UK and some of Labour, Red Jeremy will not do the honorable thing and take responsibility and stand aside. His enablers, like long time British maniac and all around crazy person Seamus Milne, will tell him that there is nobody in the party to challenge him for leadership, so he should just take it on the face and keep going forward.

Semi-related: You want to read some truly remarkable crazy crap? Read ol' Seamus Milne's Guardian CIF rants from the mid 2000s. Those were something special. Be sure to bring a stiff drink. And yeah that's the man who is one of Red Jeremy's chief advisers.

I'd agree with most of what you say except the vote for the Tories/Brexit will be so strong that the current deal Boris has graciously offered the EU will not be on the table after the GE. Hold your hats remainers for a far far harder/cleaner Brexit than what is proposed now.

You remainers had your chance and blew it.

Labour aren't really the ones at risk of losing any more, though they're not at much risk of gaining much either. The problems for the Conservatives are the Lib Dems and SNP.

The Fib Dems you can't believe a word they say, and the SNP can be demolished in less than 1 minute. Here are those few seconds...

[draykorinee]

But we already voted 2 years ago, why must we vote again?! Where is the democracy? Thats the problem with Tory voters, they can't accept the results until they win a majority.

[Gorsameth]

But we already voted 2 years ago, why must we vote again?! Where is the democracy? Thats the problem with Tory voters, they can't accept the results until they win a majority.

the problem isnt that Tories don't have a majority, the problem is nothing has a majority and the country is completely paralized around Brexit. To break that paralysis the makeup of parliament needs to change, regardless of if its towards remain or leave.

I don't think its wrong that in a democracy the government should step down if it is unable to pass major legislation, rather then stick around and do nothing. We see it in the UK now with Brexit, we've seen it in the US with Congress refusing to do anything.
If the government can (or will) not govern as it should then elections should be held until you find a government that can do its duty.

[Skroe]

Edit: wrong thread

[draykorinee]

the problem isnt that Tories don't have a majority, the problem is nothing has a majority and the country is completely paralized around Brexit. To break that paralysis the makeup of parliament needs to change, regardless of if its towards remain or leave.

I don't think its wrong that in a democracy the government should step down if it is unable to pass major legislation, rather then stick around and do nothing. We see it in the UK now with Brexit, we've seen it in the US with Congress refusing to do anything.
If the government can (or will) not govern as it should then elections should be held until you find a government that can do its duty.

It was a joke about having another referendum mate. We're fucked either way. Corbyn is going to give us 4 years of Boris.

Incoming keyboard turner 'deleted post' quote.

[Jessicka]

I'd agree with most of what you say except the vote for the Tories/Brexit will be so strong that the current deal Boris has graciously offered the EU will not be on the table after the GE. Hold your hats remainers for a far far harder/cleaner Brexit than what is proposed now.

You remainers had your chance and blew it.



The Fib Dems you can't believe a word they say, and the SNP can be demolished in less than 1 minute. Here are those few seconds...

I wouldn't trust the Lib Dems as far as I could throw them, but that's not really the point. The Tories, Boris and Mogg especially have been caught so often with their pants on fire that pretty much anywhere in the world that's not the UK or USA, their political careers would never have existed. So it's nothing really to do with trust.

Basically the entirely of Scotland will vote SNP, and all the soft Tories will vote Lib Dems; just as they have been doing in recent by elections.