The Brexit aftermath thread

[Jessicka]

I brought up the Prince Andrew story because it hit the headlines after a particularly bad couple of days for the Tories who are slipping in the polls. Particularly with these allegations. It’s a classic distraction piece of news.

As for the BXP bribes story, there’s probably a grain of truth, with a lot of exaggeration going on. It can only really damage both sides. As above, let them fight.

[Pann]

Hang on just a second... didn't Nigel tell The Mail that there is no money in politics?

https://bylinetimes.com/2019/11/15/t...party-swindle/

... oh Nigel you little fibber, you...

I must confess Man of the Paypal did tickle me somewhat!

[caervek]

The problem being that alleged act took place under Florida state law where it is illegal.

Florida has no jurisdiction over London.

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I brought up the Prince Andrew story because it hit the headlines after a particularly bad couple of days for the Tories who are slipping in the polls. Particularly with these allegations. It’s a classic distraction piece of news.

It also hit the news shortly after Labour decided to shoot themselves in both feet, with a bazooka :P

If anything the Andrew story is proving more of a distraction for them than the tories.

[Pann]

Florida has no jurisdiction over London.

Eh? Okay...

... and what exactly does this have to do with the fact one of the allegations is that they had sex on Little Saint James Island?

Anyway as I said this has nothing to with Brexit so there is no value discussing it here.

[ranzino]

Florida has no jurisdiction over London.

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AFAIK nobody has, Andrew enjoys diplomatic immunity anyway.

[caervek]

AFAIK nobody has, Andrew enjoys diplomatic immunity anyway.

Point was she claims the travelled to London and slept with the Prince back when she was above the age of consent in the UK, even if it was true it's not a crime.

[caervek]

Yes, the point is that the paedophile escapes prosecution on the basis of a technicality, so that's alright then. And I thought you were a cunt...wow you sure proved me wrong!!!

For the record the Prince is in some danger of prosecution if he returns to US soil in the future. Learn to google things, then you will know stuff.

On the technicality of not being a paedo? That's hardly a technicality xD

And no, he isn't in any danger of prosecution anywhere.

[Calfredd]

No, I won't have any of it. Caervek is a master wit, wasted on this forum. He belongs in the exalted company of the great lyricists, with Wilde, Coward, nay, the Bard himself.

For a know-nothing burner account, you're a bit too uptight.

[caervek]

Wow you should do fucking comedy. That's fucking brilliant, mate. Fucking brilliant comedy. You see what he did there....clever stuff...he didn't just say "shot themselves in the foot". No you see he added "with a bazooka". Some might point to the fact that a bazooka is an area of effect weapon and can't really target any localized area so that doesn't really work, but no caervek violated conventions of sense and meaning, creative genius that he is.

Some might also point out that it also doesn't make any fucking sense to describe Labour as a multiple entity ("themselves") and then imply that they are a single entity ("both feet"), but no, I can clearly see that he's making a comment on the concept of collective identity and not just a fucking moron that can't write proper sentences and doesn't know how words work.

Stern critics might also suggest that simply morphing the original phrase by upgrading the firepower of the weapon in question suggests a poverty of imagination bordering on the retarded, not to mention the use of an emoticon which is generally frowned on by people who are not text messaging teenagers. Yet I can see that in the bland mediocrity of his sentence he is effortlessly parodying the limitations of the modern socialist zeitgeist.

No, I won't have any of it. Caervek is a master wit, wasted on this forum. He belongs in the exalted company of the great lyricists, with Wilde, Coward, nay, the Bard himself.

It's a variation on an idiom, one we use a lot in the UK to describe things like what Labour did this week. I'm flattered that you thought I invented it on the spot but alas I can claim no credit.

To shoot oneself in the foot means to sabotage oneself, to make a silly mistake that harms yourself in some fashion. The phrase comes from a phenomenon that became fairly common during the First World War. Soldiers sometimes shot themselves in the foot in order to be sent to the hospital tent rather than being sent into battle. Obviously, these soldiers claimed to have shot themselves accidentally. It is not unheard of for someone handling a gun to accidentally shoot themselves in the foot, and the idiom took on the meaning of self-sabotage with a silly mistake sometime in the 1950s.

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In the opinion of at least one prominent legal professional Andrew should not go to the US again.

Then questions should be asked as to how that alleged professional managed to obtain a legal qualification without knowing anything about immunity xD

[caervek]

I'd love to hear your cutting insight into how for example you think Labour's universal broadband plan doesn't stack up.

Okay I guess you haven't heard anything about it, basically, they're planning to blow 50 billion pounds on doing something that was being done already by the private sector (and was specifically given to the private sector to do instead of it being state owned), but it gets better. Once it's done they're going to give it away for free, putting tens of thousands out of work, devaluing millions of peoples pensions, and they have absolutely no idea how they're going to pay for it.

So yeah that's why their free fibre policy has made them a laughing stock, and the most annoying thing for Labour voters like myself is that it's not even an unavoidable gaff, all they had to do was talk to one expert and they would have been told it's a terrible plan, it won't work and they don't understand what they're talking about. But noooo they don't do that and instead they send McDonnell and Abbot on the radio to talk it up, despite they fact neither of them know what broadband is, how it works, what the current system is, what their plan will en-tale or even that you can get an internet connection over 4G/5G.

End result they both end up looking like halfwits and the whole thing reflects so badly on the labour party that it overshadows what a terrible week the Torys have had

Could you explain to us lesser mortals what immunity you think Andrew is entitled to?

It's called diplomatic immunity, look it up.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Dominic Raab on the BBC, spewing out a mixture of lies and obfuscation. Apparently we can trust the Tories to "sort out" immigration, despite the fact they've promised to do it multiple times before and failed every time. They will "reduce" net immigration, but they won't set any numbers to how much they will reduce it. They want to restrict it to certain areas of the economy, but are utterly unable to rule out a single area of the economy.

How stupid does the racist vote have to be to fall for this every time?

[Mayhem]

Dominic Raab on the BBC, spewing out a mixture of lies and obfuscation. Apparently we can trust the Tories to "sort out" immigration, despite the fact they've promised to do it multiple times before and failed every time. They will "reduce" net immigration, but they won't set any numbers to how much they will reduce it. They want to restrict it to certain areas of the economy, but are utterly unable to rule out a single area of the economy.

How stupid does the racist vote have to be to fall for this every time?

You just wouldn't believe it.

I've talked to some why over here they don't trust all the parties anymore but still voted for the far-right option. Because the other parties let everyone in and gave them everything for free. That answer, of course, wasn't based on any real information they could provide, just someone said, someone linked a picture, someone blablabla, nothing based on any actual evidence, yet they refused to change their stance despite not having anything to back up what they believed to be the truth.

They hoover up everything that fits their bias regardless of how unlikely or against reality it is.

[Mayhem]

Oh Jesus this just stopped being funny and started being sad.

I really cannot understand how a grown man can be so fucking dumb that they don't understand the damage the slow and inefficient allocation of broadband in this country has done to the economy. How do you turn on your computer without electrocuting yourself from your own dribble? Do you get your son/carer to do it for you?

You'd have to:

1. Never have gone abroad and experienced the vastly superior of quality in many countries which are smaller and less affluent generally.
2. Never tried to use the internet in the countryside.
3. Be somehow oblivious to the lack of competitiveness of Britain's tech industry despite what was once global domination.
4. Not understand the concept of benefit in cost/benefit analysis.
5. Ignore the relationship between meritocracy, barrier to entry, and national GDP.
6. Never done any kind of business on the internet at all in the last 20 years.

It would take me a month to get you to even get to the level of being smart enough to understand why you are wrong.

You're so out of touch with reality, it is amazing reading your attempts of intelligent posts every now and then, making nothing but a fool out of yourself.

None of your "points" have anything to do with a suitable answer to the quoted post, they're weak soundbites at best in trying to portray yourself as knowledgable.

UK average internet speed ranks 15th in the world. Just up your mobile speeds (rank 26) and the countryside has no issues whatsoever.

Britains tech industry never had global domination, no idea what makes you believe that.

Everything else is just factless gibberish, but as you must be aware that your posts are going to be deleted anyhow, I understand that you aren't actually interested in backing anything up at all and just troll the shit out of everyone.

[mojojojo202]

Upgrade to broadband where Ilive has basically been BT laughing at us and saying that if we want super fast broadband we will have to pay for the infrastructure improvements ourself. They did upgrade the town nearest where I live but didnt bother doing the last 2 points on the line as it were.

I live on the edge of a suburban town less than 50 miles from London. Hardly the middle of nowhere.

[Bakis]

Starion, do yourself a favor. Log out and reflect on the decision of making a burner account just to spite and how pathetic it is.

It's not too late to turn your life around, visit friends, order some food, watch a game and you will sleep better (that night at least).

[Jessicka]

Okay I guess you haven't heard anything about it, basically, they're planning to blow 50 billion pounds on doing something that was being done already by the private sector (and was specifically given to the private sector to do instead of it being state owned), but it gets better. Once it's done they're going to give it away for free, putting tens of thousands out of work, devaluing millions of peoples pensions, and they have absolutely no idea how they're going to pay for it.

So yeah that's why their free fibre policy has made them a laughing stock, and the most annoying thing for Labour voters like myself is that it's not even an unavoidable gaff, all they had to do was talk to one expert and they would have been told it's a terrible plan, it won't work and they don't understand what they're talking about. But noooo they don't do that and instead they send McDonnell and Abbot on the radio to talk it up, despite they fact neither of them know what broadband is, how it works, what the current system is, what their plan will en-tale or even that you can get an internet connection over 4G/5G.

End result they both end up looking like halfwits and the whole thing reflects so badly on the labour party that it overshadows what a terrible week the Torys have had




It's called diplomatic immunity, look it up.

The private sector was being given billions to install the infrastructure by the government. Indeed it is vastly past its successive deadlines to do what it’s being given money to do.

This is an already demonstrably failed project being taken in house.

To me it makes fuck all difference as to whether the £50 a month I pay for unlimited broadband goes to BT or the government. None whatsoever.

[Bakis]

Are there any update of the plan of the century to execute trade deals with major players in 12 months, a process usually taking 10+ years?

[Mayhem]

Are there any update of the plan of the century to execute trade deals with major players in 12 months, a process usually taking 10+ years?

There never was a plan. So, I guess that means it's up to date and running.

[Pann]

Are there any update of the plan of the century to execute trade deals with major players in 12 months, a process usually taking 10+ years?

Where does the 10year+ plus time frame come from?

[Kronik85]

The private sector was being given billions to install the infrastructure by the government. Indeed it is vastly past its successive deadlines to do what it’s being given money to do.

This is an already demonstrably failed project being taken in house.

To me it makes fuck all difference as to whether the £50 a month I pay for unlimited broadband goes to BT or the government. None whatsoever.

Agree with the sentiment, just it's "free broadband" that's being purloined in this promise. It's certainly something we should be discussing considering how essential broadband is but then again we are still paying for Energy and that's just, if not more important. Your 50 quid is going to be replaced by an unspecified tax on big tech which will produce enough money to keep the entire Open Reach operation in business.