The Brexit aftermath thread

[Flarelaine]

Wait, the fuck? Five families? Are the Tories copying our Republicans in speaking of their own party as if it's the fuckin mafia?

Eh, it's the Daily Fail.

[Edge-]

Eh, it's the Daily Fail.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...k-rwanda-bill/

Five groups of Conservatives – dubbing themselves the “five families” – have come together to try to influence Rishi Sunak over the Rwanda Bill.

Apparently it's a self-appointed title? If accurate I'm fine hanging the anchor around their necks, especially given that they're literally just copying Republicans in the US, where there have been the self-titled "Five Families" within the Republican party.

[Veggie50]

No but the current Tory party consists of a broad church group of "five families" from centre left to right. Those on the left known as the one nation group, the remain establishment if you like, would be just as happy if they wore a Lib Dem, or even Labour rosette were it to get them elected into power. They are the ones currently preventing a true Conservative agenda right now, threatening to collapse the Sunak Government.

Those leftie interlopers will be routed at the next General Election. Here is a useful graphic that explains...

So…
Im confused…

Didnt you claim every vote for the tories was a vote for brexit?

But apparently the tories arent brexiteers?

Brain hurts

[dribbles]

So…
Im confused…

Didnt you claim every vote for the tories was a vote for brexit?

But apparently the tories arent brexiteers?

Brain hurts

The Tories "Get Brexit done" manifesto won a landslide victory, such is the popularity of Brexit in the UK, at the 2019 General Election and meant that yes every vote for them then was for and a reaffirmation of Brexit. However that doesn't mean to say all Tory MP's in 2019 were happy with that manifesto pledge, many now in the one nation group would have been remainers at the time disagreeing with Brexit, but immediately after 2019 they could hardly argue it was not what the public voted for.

Over time since 2019 the strength of Tory leadership, silly undemocratic Prime Minister changes in the main, has declined to the state we have today where general collective responsibility that usually holds the party together as one has collapsed and we see the infighting among various factions as a result.

Anyway in case someone pops up sadly as is their predictable way, and asks for more Brexit benefits here are todays...

£868bn UK exports bonanza in huge Brexit trade victory

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...och-uk-exports

And as we wave bye bye to the EU Eurofighter, and Brexit strengthens the UK's global reach...

UK chosen as headquarters for fighter jet project with Japan and Italy, Plans for ambitious Global Combat Air Programme.

https://archive.is/s8dyG

I wonder what Brexit benefits tomorrow will bring....

[Huehuecoyotl]

£868bn UK exports bonanza in huge Brexit trade victory

*Reads article*

"Once adjusted for inflation and excluding precious metals, the increase is £12bn."

Hmm. You trying to mislead people again dribbles? Sure doesn't sound like you.

[Candiman]

And as we wave bye bye to the EU Eurofighter, and Brexit strengthens the UK's global reach...

UK chosen as headquarters for fighter jet project with Japan and Italy, Plans for ambitious Global Combat Air Programme.

https://archive.is/s8dyG

I wonder what Brexit benefits tomorrow will bring....

Emphasis mine. Aren't Italy in the EU which kind of suggests we could have done this even if we were part of the EU so hardly a brexit benifit This is also a continuation of the Tempest project which was started in 2015 when we were still part of the EU.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Emphasis mine. Aren't Italy in the EU which kind of suggests we could have done this even if we were part of the EU so hardly a brexit benifit This is also a continuation of the Tempest project which was started in 2015 when we were still part of the EU.

I'd missed that bit! But it's pretty much dribbles usual shtick. He thinks that anything that looks slightly positive that has happened since 2016 is a "Brexit benefit". Doesn't matter if it happened before we actually left, or it was something we could have (or did do) before we left. Or whether it's even actually a positive thing. Or true. Anything he can slap a label on that he thinks makes Brexit a "success" and he'll do it.

Honestly, he looks more like a satire account ripping the piss out of the Brexiteers by the day. And he doesn't even realise it.

[Odinfrost]

Honestly, [dribbles] looks more like a satire account ripping the piss out of the Brexiteers by the day. And he doesn't even realise it.

My girlfriend (English national) read some of his posts and couldn't believe that he's real.

[Huehuecoyotl]

My girlfriend (English national) read some of his posts and couldn't believe that he's real.

Political satire has become impossible in recent years. The level of stupidity we had with Brexiteers, Boris and the rest of the numpties over here meant that however far you pushed the satire, you'd have real world examples that were worse. Even straying into outright farce wasn't enough. So here we are, literally unable to tell if a poster is a genuine example of the kind of idiot that still supports Brexit, or a satire account ripping the piss out of people like that.

There is no way to differentiate that I'm aware of. Unless it is satire and at some point the poster holds his hands up and admits it.

[Kiria]

Political satire has become impossible in recent years. The level of stupidity we had with Brexiteers, Boris and the rest of the numpties over here meant that however far you pushed the satire, you'd have real world examples that were worse. Even straying into outright farce wasn't enough. So here we are, literally unable to tell if a poster is a genuine example of the kind of idiot that still supports Brexit, or a satire account ripping the piss out of people like that.

There is no way to differentiate that I'm aware of. Unless it is satire and at some point the poster holds his hands up and admits it.

This is seriously the truth, it shocks me that these idiots exist and they are adamant everything is going great to the point of calling the known liar and racist Nigel Farage their mate or Our Nige and calling for him to be PM.

It boggles my mind about how dumb people are in the Brexit camp just like Trumpers.

Also, gotta be careful here on how you talk about the far right, I got banned a few days ago for speaking about it here, wouldnt be surprised if I got banned again.

[diller]

And as we wave bye bye to the EU Eurofighter, and Brexit strengthens the UK's global reach...

Why do you say so many dumb things?

The Eurofighter has nothing to do with the EU - at all.

The link you provided doesn't work but from the sound of it it sounds like it's the exact same as Eurofighter it was always an international project - again - nothing to do with the EU.

[dribbles]

Emphasis mine. Aren't Italy in the EU which kind of suggests we could have done this even if we were part of the EU so hardly a brexit benifit This is also a continuation of the Tempest project which was started in 2015 when we were still part of the EU.

It is true we could have joined the EU programme led by Germany and France which hopes to replace the Eurofighter by 2040, but the point is our global programme is HQ in the UK supporting hundreds of British jobs and thankfully doesn't involve the EU.

If it weren't for Brexit the pressure on the UK to be in the EU replacement Eurofighter scheme without a UK HQ, with all the bickering and squabbles between France and Germany that will bring, would have been unsurmountable.

The UK jet will be delivered faster by 2035, cheaper and be better because we swerve the inherent EU inefficiencies and coming political arguments of their programme.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...ogramme-treaty

Once again Brexit is providing a clear benefit, not only to the UK, but security for the world.

[Draco-Onis]

It is true we could have joined the EU programme led by Germany and France which hopes to replace the Eurofighter by 2040, but the point is our global programme is HQ in the UK supporting hundreds of British jobs and thankfully doesn't involve the EU.

If it weren't for Brexit the pressure on the UK to be in the EU replacement Eurofighter scheme without a UK HQ, with all the bickering and squabbles between France and Germany that will bring, would have been unsurmountable.

The UK jet will be delivered faster by 2035, cheaper and be better because we swerve the inherent EU inefficiencies and coming political arguments of their programme.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...ogramme-treaty

Once again Brexit is providing a clear benefit, not only to the UK, but security for the world.

How is it a brexit benefit when joining it is optional and you could have joined even now? It doesn't make any sense even if you were in the EU you would still have the option of not participating like other countries in the EU who didn't join this project.

[dribbles]

How is it a brexit benefit when joining it is optional and you could have joined even now? It doesn't make any sense even if you were in the EU you would still have the option of not participating like other countries in the EU who didn't join this project.

The EU have proven to be unreliable partners, the Brexit benefit is in making it easier for the UK to avoid future involvement and ties to them.

Take the original Eurofighter programme. Germany almost pulled out half way through, then reduced its order numbers because of cost whilst still insisting they kept their original share of the work. They still veto sales of the EU Eurofighter to Saudi Arabia costing thousands of British jobs and the revenue that would bring home, whereas the UK would not.

France sit through the Eurofighter collective development stage, then launch their own with tiny differences competing aircraft but with very similar features. Unsurprisingly Germany can't veto sales of these to the Middle East.

Brexit will help us to avoid dealing with such future EU nonsense, anti-British stitch ups and to forge new global partnerships.

There is the reason the likes of Japan, perhaps UK membership of CPTPP showing a UK commitment to the region and not possible without Brexit swung it, chose the UK project in a fantastic vote of confidence for Brexit Britain over the EU's.

I hope this helps explain, and there are the Brexit benefits of this UK Global programme.

[diller]

the EU Eurofighter

There is no such thing

[Kiria]

This is all that needs saying on the matter for the UK

[Draco-Onis]

The EU have proven to be unreliable partners, the Brexit benefit is in making it easier for the UK to avoid future involvement and ties to them.

No it doesn't, did you read the articles you posted? the Eurofighter is part of a program system involving drones, multi platform software etc. The reason they are fighting is because of the benefits of having the copyrights to innovations that would result in this and why it will take longer to develop. The UK could have done both be part of the development and create their own fighter so that they can license or use the breakthroughs that will come from developing such an integrated program.

This isn't about just making a fighter jet, again did you not read?

[Huehuecoyotl]

This isn't about just making a fighter jet, again did you not read?

Have you met dribbles? He doesn't read what he links, with hilarious results.

[Poopymonster]

Still? How long will this bullshit last?

[Huehuecoyotl]

Racist cunt promises to help racist cunt party make the next election about being racist cunts.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ut-immigration

But sure, Brexit was nothing to do with being racist cunts. Honest.