The Brexit aftermath thread

[Demolitia]

So the EU install a border and the Irish smash it to pieces, what then?

We build a great wall and get the UK to pay for it.

[ranzino]

They are actually considering becoming a zero tariff state.

zero tariff is on the table and no limits on quantities traded; UK can count that in the pocket.
unfortunately not a solution for movement of people or regulations unless UK becomes "EU lite" in terms of quality etc.

[dribbles]

So once again, your answer to the Irish Question is "Blame the EU".

No no not at all, the EU install a border and the British smash it to pieces, what then? What if the British and the Irish smash it to pieces? What are the eu going to do? Come on surely after 20 months the EU know the answer to this basic question?

[Deleted]

No no not at all, the EU install a border and the British smash it to pieces, what then? What if the British and the Irish smash it to pieces? What are the eu going to do? Come on surely after 20 months the EU know the answer to this basic question?

So you don't want to control the only border between the EU and the UK?

How can we gain any sovereignty when anyone can just walk in?

[alexw]

Ireland is a part of the British Isles. No one on those islands wishes to put up a hard border anywhere, if the EU want to poke their nose in where it is not wanted let them try and put up a border at their cost. See how long it lasts.

Oh God, its nowhere near as simple as that. WTO law (most favored nation clauses) means you cannot treat one WTO trade partner better than another. That means if the U.K. opts for no border with Ireland then to remain compliant with WTO law it will have to have no borders with any other nation either. I.e. it will have to throw open all its other borders and have no border control whatsoever, and if you think that is a good idea then you are a lunatic.

[dribbles]

So you don't want to control the only border between the EU and the UK?

How can we gain any sovereignty when anyone can just walk in?

Nope, the people of the British Isles are united in that. Foreigners start at Calais didn't you know?

[Elegiac]

Nope, the people of the British Isles are united in that.

This only sounds like an ignorant Little England opinion.

[Deleted]

Nope, the people of the British Isles are united in that. Foreigners start at Calais didn't you know?

So the EU citizens who still want access to the EU can catch a ferry to Ireland and then just hop over the uncontrolled border into Northern Ireland, and from there they can go anywhere in the UK.

So we have no more control over our borders than we had before?

You could even argue we have less control.

[Demolitia]

Nope, the people of the British Isles are united in that. Foreigners start at Calais didn't you know?

Who knows. Maybe France will open Calais and let everyone into the UK. We can use Calais to check British migrants on their way in?

[alexw]

So you don't want to control the only border between the EU and the UK?

How can we gain any sovereignty when anyone can just walk in?

It won't be just the EU border. WTO regulations mean that if it opens its borders to the EU it has to open them to everyone else too. You can't treat one WTO signatory differently than another. It can only be over-ridden by an FTA or customs union and of course if the UK reaches a situation where the EU puts up a border and the UK says "screw you we are not doing it" then you can bet their won't be any FTA or customs union between the UK and the EU.

Frankly everything I've seen tells me the Brits are utterly screwed if they keep on this path. Its either U-turn and lose face or wreck your economy. Time to pick one.

[Demolitia]

This only sounds like an ignorant Little England opinion.

As far as we know he might very well be a paid russian troll with the Little England script

[dribbles]

So the EU citizens who still want access to the EU can catch a ferry to Ireland and then just hop over the uncontrolled border into Northern Ireland, and from there they can go anywhere in the UK.

So we have no more control over our borders than we had before?

You could even argue we have less control.

Anyone who is good enough to enter the British Isles via Ireland is good. What we will have that we don't have now is that EU citizens will not be able to access healthcare, claim benefits, rent houses, get a job, etc etc much more control. Only people of the British Isles will be able to do that easily, foreigners will not.

[Deleted]

Who knows. Maybe France will open Calais and let everyone into the UK. We can use Calais to check British migrants on their way in?

May and Macron have already spoken about Le Touquet (the agreement that moved the British border to France so illegals get stopped in Calais) and have agreed to keep it, so long as the UK pays more towards dealing with asylum seekers in Calais.

[ranzino]

Nah, in the document someone linked above they did discuss the proposal of becoming a zero tariff state for everyone, not within an FTA.

ok, but "zero tariff" is also the status quo with EU. no need to include that in FTA if it is the new status with everybody; EU included.

[Deleted]

Anyone who is good enough to enter the British Isles via Ireland is good. What we will have that we don't have now is that EU citizens will not be able to access healthcare, claim benefits, rent houses, get a job, etc etc much more control. Only people of the British Isles will be able to do that easily, foreigners will not.

Oh right, so if they spend a few extra hours on a ferry they're A-OK in your eyes?

[Deleted]

It won't be just the EU border. WTO regulations mean that if it opens its borders to the EU it has to open them to everyone else too. You can't treat one WTO signatory differently than another. It can only be over-ridden by an FTA or customs union and of course if the UK reaches a situation where the EU puts up a border and the UK says "screw you we are not doing it" then you can bet their won't be any FTA or customs union between the UK and the EU.

Frankly everything I've seen tells me the Brits are utterly screwed if they keep on this path. Its either U-turn and lose face or wreck your economy. Time to pick one.

Ofcourse we're screwed. Everyone with a brain knew we were screwed as soon as the results were out.

Retards have destroyed this country and will only continue to do so until we hit rock bottom and they finally realise what they've lost.

[Edge-]

Anyone who is good enough to enter the British Isles via Ireland is good. What we will have that we don't have now is that EU citizens will not be able to access healthcare, claim benefits, rent houses, get a job, etc etc much more control. Only people of the British Isles will be able to do that easily, foreigners will not.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-25134521

Do these rules not apply anymore? Because it seems like EU migrants to the UK still had to jump through hoops and wait before receiving the majority of the benefits afforded to UK citizens, and even then they're still not enjoying full benefits.

[Demolitia]

May and Macron have already spoken about Le Touquet (the agreement that moved the British border to France so illegals get stopped in Calais) and have agreed to keep it, so long as the UK pays more towards dealing with asylum seekers in Calais.

I know. Just feeding the troll since he's the main fuel of this thread.

[alexw]

ok, but "zero tariff" is also the status quo with EU. no need to include that in FTA if it is the new status with everybody; EU included.

Well no the status quo is zero tariff both ways. This would be the UK being zero tariff and everyone else setting whatever tariffs they liked against the UK to the maximum allowed by WTO rules. That would include the EU. It would be a giant win for them and hand them everything they want on a platter where they'd have to offer nothing in return.

[Slant]

So once again, your answer to the Irish Question is "Blame the EU".

Do you not want that border controlled?

What about all those immigrants that will get in?

You forgot the secret Brexiteer solution: The EU could abandon its core principles and isolate Ireland. Thus closing the border to one of its member states, while keeping GFA intact. See, the logic is simple: The UK doesn't care about legality outside its interests. And bringing Ireland into the fold of the British Isles is even more welcome, does it not make Ireland dependent on the whim of London? Surely that suits London just fine, doesn't it?