The Brexit aftermath thread

[Deleted]

Oh it'll crash all right given things I've been finding out will happen. For example see the last few pages of discussion on air traffic safety and how it functions. Now multiply that across all the other sectors of the British economy. Some won't be hit like that, some will, some less, some not at all. But in totality it adds up to a crash.

Oh maybe in the short term, yes. I don't think it has to...but the signs are that this government is so incompetent that it will.

In the longer term i expect the country to go into low corporate tax, poor working conditions mode.

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Someone better tell ] they are deluded too for offering flights from the UK to the EU post April 1st 2019, .

Dude just stop. You are embarassing yourself.

[Vankrys]

Oh maybe in the short term, yes. I don't think it has to...but the signs are that this government is so incompetent that it will.

In the longer term i expect the country to go into low corporate tax, poor working conditions mode.

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Dude just stop. You are embarassing yourself.

where does the poor working condition stops and the violation of human rights begins ?

[alexw]

The issue is, it's not going to be bad just for the UK. THey will damage the entire global economy.

True. It'll crash the UK economy, Europe will have a downturn, the rest of the world will feel some shocks/effects.

But its all entirely unnecessary.

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Someone better tell www.britishairways.com they are deluded too for offering flights from the UK to the EU post April 1st 2019, perhaps you are right, perhaps a massive company are right, who to trust? Shall I check some other airlines as well? Or would you propose they are all wrong too if I do?

Who is right? Choices choices, you and little leo of Ireland? Or a multi billion pound airline industry are all deluded...

Ahh right so British Airways is going to tell its customers "Don't book tickets with us because of brexit", or its going to stop selling tickets right now? Don't be so stupid.

They will be lobbying behind the scenes and getting on their hands and knees and praying that a crash out brexit doesn't happen.

Then if it does, they'll refund all those tickets. And because you like the express so much -

https://www.express.co.uk/travel/art...-holidays-2019

We know for a fact that planes won't be able to fly so they won't. Trying to pretend otherwise won't change that fact.

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Oh maybe in the short term, yes. I don't think it has to...but the signs are that this government is so incompetent that it will.

In the longer term i expect the country to go into low corporate tax, poor working conditions mode.

It certainly doesn't have to, but with I've been reading the UK is doing right now where its heading for a no deal outcome and just ending everything on March 19th...... as someone else put it above..... brace for impact.

[dribbles]

Ahh right so British Airways is going to tell its customers "Don't book tickets with us because of brexit", or its going to stop selling tickets right now? Don't be so stupid.

They will be lobbying behind the scenes and getting on their hands and knees and praying that a crash out brexit doesn't happen.

Then if it does, they'll refund all those tickets. And because you like the express so much -

https://www.express.co.uk/travel/art...-holidays-2019

We know for a fact that planes won't be able to fly so they won't. Trying to pretend otherwise won't change that fact.

Is that legal? I thought the EU was big on consumer protections. Surely companies cannot offer services to customers that they have no idea whether they have the ability to fulfil them or not? Got to be against EU law surely. It's very tempting to start up dribblesairways.com and to offer flights across the EU from April 2019, take peoples money then blame Brexit when dribbles airways never takes off.

Good tip, look out for that.

[alexw]

Is that legal? I thought the EU was big on consumer protections. Surely companies cannot offer services to customers that they have no idea whether they have the ability to fulfil them or not? Got to be against EU law surely. It's very tempting to start up dribblesairways.com and to offer flights across the EU from April 2019, take peoples money then blame Brexit when dribbles airways never takes off.

Good tip, look out for that.

But those consumer protections won't apply will they? As the UK will be outside of the EU?

[dribbles]

But those consumer protections won't apply will they? As the UK will be outside of the EU?

Even better, the date of sale takes place now inside the EU for something to happen outside the EU at a later date. I wouldn't even have to offer the refunds.

[Slant]

Because there is literally no point talking to him. He takes up idiotic contradictory positions, and when you come up with any point that undermines him he ignores it, restates his ridiculous position and links a largely unconnected article from the Express or Mail that he believes backs him up.

Check back on this thread and see where I picked up on his statement that he was really good at predictions and requoted three things that he said were absolutely going to happen 2 years ago. None of which have. Weirdly he never replied to that.

This whole place gets dumber just by talking to him.

Well, I'm not disagreeing with that. But airline routes? No offense, but you're scraping the bottom of the barrel here, as far as amusing sub-debates go.

[Pann]

But those consumer protections won't apply will they? As the UK will be outside of the EU?

Does it work that way? Wouldn't the applicable consumer protections laws at the time of the contract creation still apply?

[Slant]

Why do you want this?

Because Putin pays him to want it.

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Someone better tell www.britishairways.com they are deluded too for offering flights from the UK to the EU post April 1st 2019, perhaps you are right, perhaps a massive company are right, who to trust? Shall I check some other airlines as well? Or would you propose they are all wrong too if I do?

Who is right? Choices choices, you and little leo of Ireland? Or a multi billion pound airline industry are all deluded...

Wouldn't be the first time flights get cancelled. And airlines don't make national policy, Governments do. But, can we use your shitty argument and go "Right back at ya" before quoting Lufthansa order pages for flights to London-Heathrow? Yes? Thanks, you've just killed your own insane argument about open skies. Fucking amateur.

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Is that legal? I thought the EU was big on consumer protections. Surely companies cannot offer services to customers that they have no idea whether they have the ability to fulfil them or not? Got to be against EU law surely. It's very tempting to start up dribblesairways.com and to offer flights across the EU from April 2019, take peoples money then blame Brexit when dribbles airways never takes off.

Good tip, look out for that.

If only you would stop your simplistic one dimensional thinking...

Yes. It is legal
The EU is big on consumer protection, when it makes sense.
Of course they can offer services to customers with a risk of them not being able to service. Weather does this to things and laws incorporate that possibility. It's a risk of life.
It's not against EU law, but you wouldn't know it because you've never actually looked at one.
Dribblesarways.com could have this slogan "We will take your money and crash you into the ground before you arrive. Guaranteed or you'll get your money back!"
In earnest, though, how do you not see the "they'll refund all those tickets" that @alexw wrote? Are you this insane that you genuinely do not see what doesn't fit your dumbass argument of the day?

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Does it work that way? Wouldn't the applicable consumer protections laws at the time of the contract creation still apply?

Not in Dribs' fantasy. In his head, people are already giving him money and sign a waiver to any rights, because fuck the EU. Basically, he'll wave a paper airplane in front of their faces and go "Here's your plane, take a seat and we'll get you as far as I can throw it!" and they will be cheering, because it has a British flag on it. Or Russian, one never knows with Dribblesoff.

[Kiri]

Does it work that way? Wouldn't the applicable consumer protections laws at the time of the contract creation still apply?

In the fine print of most airlines you will find language to the extent that plane tickets will be refunded if the flight has to be cancelled for things like weather, nature, official measures, safety or higher powers. It does not really matter thusly, because the airlines themselves are already offering refunds - and something like no deal Brexit definitely falls under either official measures or higher powers. That is an issue that is outside of the airline's control, after all.

[alexw]

Does it work that way? Wouldn't the applicable consumer protections laws at the time of the contract creation still apply?

Maybe but I find that doubtful. Governments can't be bound by prior governments. So if a gov changes the law then the old law ceases to function. But most likely most airlines will refund the monies as they don't want the reputational hit, if they can afford to that is.

[Slant]

Maybe but I find that doubtful. Governments can't be bound by prior governments. So if a gov changes the law then the old law ceases to function. But most likely most airlines will refund the monies as they don't want the reputational hit, if they can afford to that is.

Hmm, you seem to be victim of the idea that the UK has no own law. Common law and most of the rules in the UK are quite independent from the EU. This would apply to how contracts are formed and what conditions you can set on those contracts. The EU doesn't interfere in national legislation regarding how contracts are made. There is no legal basis for the idea that a contract between you and your airline in the UK would suddenly be void simply because EU regulation makes the fulfillment of that contract impossible (which won't happen...).

The EU isn't your Government. Never has been. British common law won't cease to function. The only regulations that cease to be valid are EU directives. Even EU guidelines will largely still be in effect, because they require the British Government to implement them as national law. Granted, those directives are many, but how a contract is formed is not one of them, last I checked.

[Floopa]

these are the slides for theresa may's (now fucked) chequer's agreement:

https://www.scribd.com/document/3844...u-Relationship

honestly, it's not a bad starting place. it could've been worked on and developed and negotiated within to get us a strong deal*

*if this was the plan 2 years ago

[Demolitia]

Aside from the fact that half of EASA is staffed by former workers from the CAA who carried out certification duties in the past. Look the suggestion that all of Airbus will be grounded EU/UK wide post Brexit purely because of political reasons is preposterous. I will bet with you now that April 2019 the UK will be self certifying its aircraft, just as it used to for decades and decades prior to the existence of EASA.

Of the 633 people working at EASA in 2014, 51 were from the UK. 142 are German, 137 are French, and 64 are Italians in comparison.
You better hope all of them are carrying certification duties and none of them is applying for German citizenship.

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No, this isn't, you are correct. Where I agree with the Brexiteers is that *some* remainer claims made about Brexit were false. For example I don't believe the UK economy will crash. I think the ruling class will just put even more burden on the working poor and turn the country into a tax haven. Most people will be fucked but the GDP numbers will look OK.

I'm thinking of stocking up right now.

I hope there is wifi in you post-apocalyptic bunker. We'll let you know when it's safe to come out

[Nutrition]

At this point I think it's so blundered that it will end up hurting the UK. The idea was to separate from the EU not remain its thrall by being dragged into its trade deals unconditionally. Brexit will fail but ti will fail from how badly the current government is self sabotaging the deals rather then anything else.

[Demolitia]

Someone better tell www.britishairways.com they are deluded too for offering flights from the UK to the EU post April 1st 2019, perhaps you are right, perhaps a massive company are right, who to trust? Shall I check some other airlines as well? Or would you propose they are all wrong too if I do?

Who is right? Choices choices, you and little leo of Ireland? Or a multi billion pound airline industry are all deluded...

Or maybe, just maybe, they can sell tickets after march 2019 because the transition period kicks in so they are ok until December 2020?

[Demolitia]

is there a transition period in no-deal Brexit?

I don't think it's entirely dependent on a deal but I might be wrong.

[Floopa]

no deal will have no transition period.

that's why NHS/families should be stocking up on medicine/food because in a no deal scenario supply chains will be completely wrecked.

hopefully by march 29th i'll be away from the mess tho.

[dribbles]

Great Brexit dividend beginning to filter through with the scrapping of the public sector pay cap today.

Public servants have never had it so good, you can thank leave voters like me later.

[Fuiking]

Great Brexit dividend beginning to filter through with the scrapping of the public sector pay cap today.

Public servants have never had it so good, you can thank leave voters like me later.

The fuck are you dribbling about now? maybe its a natural evolution to increase pay cap once in awhile regardless if Brexit happened or not?