The Brexit aftermath thread

[dribbles]

Holy shit dude, that was a hard-turn towards authoritarianism.

I think it's preferable to view in the same way as administering medicine to a child. They might not like the taste, but you just know long term it is good for them.

[Vankrys]

I don't believe it will be anything but an unmitigated success, however with a few hiccups on the way perhaps. The problem for me is the nonsense people with your viewpoint continually spout is dangerous and a threat that ought to be fairly or otherwise countered for the good of the nation. In other times and perhaps in the future the almost treasonous behaviour of remain traitors colluding with a foreign power will need to be answered.



No no you have me wrong, the more the EU appears unreasonable the better for me in that aim of a sweet no deal Brexit.

You know what is interesting about those videos you linked about lorry tailbacks in the UK, you must know it would be replicated in Calais too? Being from France how exactly do you think French farmers will react when they can't get their perishable produce across the channel? The streets of Paris will look interesting full of tractors on a go slow in protest? That at a minimum for sure...

there is no doubt in the mind of everyone here and elsewhere that UK leaving the common market and the custom union will have a negative impact on the economy of both side. What you need to realize, it's not difficult, is that the EU is much much bigger than the UK and will absorb the shock far better and with less damage overall than the UK.

Look, only 8% of EU total export is to the UK, meanwhile 40% of UK exports goes to the EU. Can you imagine the impact on UK economy when nearly half your exports is under the threat of tariff and quotas.

Moreover, the EU already has trade deal in place with many country around the world, while the UK has nothing in place yet. The UK may negotiate its own trade deal down the line, but for now, it's WTO rules with everyone else, and those aren't good terms.

Blame the EU all you want, the EU didn't do anything. You decided to leave out of the blue, and without a backup plan. You made your bed, you sleep in it.

[Kallisto]

I just watched this



it does seem UK ports are badly equipped to handle a hard brexit, with hard borders, custom inspections, the whole nine yards. according to the video, this tiny building



is the only custom facility of the port.

Oh yeah, no deal is going to be fun.

at least with Dover they have dual carriageway out of the town

Just want to show this again.



Take a look at Harwich. Where I live. There are 3 roads that go out of that town. B1352 and B1414. Neither of these roads can handle lorries in any capacity. Certainly not a decent percentage of the 180k a year we get going through. That leaves the A120 which is simply put 15 miles of single carriage crap that's barely able to support the flow of the lorries now. With no deal that's going to be a car park past Colchester and half the way to London.

I guess I can at least be happy that the dribbles like people will be many who will suffer behind all of this if the no deal happens. Waiting hours to get 20-30 miles.

[Edge-]

I think it's preferable to view in the same way as administering medicine to a child. They might not like the taste, but you just know long term it is good for them.

See, the normal response would be, "We'll prove them wrong and then they'll look foolish for their disagreements." if you were confident that your position was correct. Not, "We need to silence their dissent because it's dangerous!". The former is a reasonable, normal position to take on a dividing topic in a Democracy. The latter is the opinion of those that support authoritarian regimes that seek to silence dissent rather rather than allow for free and open debate amongst citizens.

[alexw]

It isn't about strict legal definitions though, more about the people in the UK's perception of who is to blame for a failed negotiation. Very few will read the whole of that treaty or paragraph 1 of Article 8 let alone the second. What is important here is the spin the media put on it as we prepare for a no deal. That has already started, more people will have read this article in todays news than a boring EU treaty in entirety.

EU PLONKERS EU could break its OWN laws if UK leaves with a no-deal Brexit

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/694887...o-deal-brexit/

Believe me, by March 2019 the majority in the UK will be prepared by the press to blame the EU for anything that goes wrong when we leave with no deal. They won't blame saintly brexiteers like me, who will be screaming from the rooftops about the evil EU. Sorry remainers you lost the referendum pre brexit, you are about to lose the aftermath post brexit too. Quite exquisite from my perspective watching suckers get suckered in real time. Got to love the will of the people...

Wow you really are a degenerate aren't you?

As for who the citizenry will blame all, I'm pretty certain it'll be you nutjobs. Your project is like Trump. It's able to fool a lot of people initially by selling snake oil and promising sunshine and rainbows. The smarter folks don't ever get taken in of course but the less intelligent do get taken in. But then reality starts to seep in, so while the degenerates and nutjobs continue to buy into the snake oil they've been sold the rest don't. The rest either never believed in the first place or don't believe anymore as they've woken up. That's what has happened with Trump, and I'm willing to bet its been happening with brexit too.

FYI I just googled and it looks like I'm very much correct -

http://www.businessinsider.com/yougo...-brexit-2018-7

The YouGov poll for the Times found that in a three-way transferable vote — where the public would vote on three outcomes in order of preference — 50% would put their first preference towards remaining, 17% towards leaving with a deal, and 33% towards leaving with no-deal.

That would eliminate the least popular option — leave with a deal — in the first round of counting. After the second preferences of "leave with deal" voters were allocated, the final result handed "remain" a 55% share and "leave with no deal" 45%.

Didn't the brexit referendum win by 50%+? So clearly there has been a shift away from you degenerates.

[dribbles]

See, the normal response would be, "We'll prove them wrong and then they'll look foolish for their disagreements." if you were confident that your position was correct. Not, "We need to silence their dissent because it's dangerous!". The former is a reasonable, normal position to take on a dividing topic in a Democracy. The latter is the opinion of those that support authoritarian regimes that seek to silence dissent rather rather than allow for free and open debate amongst citizens.

In almost any other topic of discussion I might agree but,

We have had free and open debate on this for 40 years, and the "normal response" you suggest only works when you are dealing with rational sane people. Many remainers have been brainwashed into supporting the cult of the EU as though it can do no wrong, from birth, by the education system within the UK. It explains fully the bias of youth in favour of the EU and much more. They will grow out of it one hopes, as they leave the bosom of state supported indoctrination, enter the real world and with increasing age comes wisdom.

These now, of voting age, young adult EU extremists are impossible to reason with in their almost religious like pro EU beliefs such that you wouldn't try to debate with their nonsense any more so than you would with the fanatics in, for example ISIS. And yet with a sense of public duty I still try...

In my experience none of those insane groups can give rhyme or reason as to why they think the way they do. Except for sure they are both dangerous. But if by any peaceable means possible you can cure just one of their disease it has all been worth it.

That is not supporting an authoritarian regime, the very definition of the EU btw, that is trying to disassemble it and bring democracy. That 17.4 million, some might say inconvenient, majority again.

Wow you really are a degenerate aren't you?

As for who the citizenry will blame all, I'm pretty certain it'll be you nutjobs. Your project is like Trump. It's able to fool a lot of people initially by selling snake oil and promising sunshine and rainbows. The smarter folks don't ever get taken in of course but the less intelligent do get taken in. But then reality starts to seep in, so while the degenerates and nutjobs continue to buy into the snake oil they've been sold the rest don't. The rest either never believed in the first place or don't believe anymore as they've woken up. That's what has happened with Trump, and I'm willing to bet its been happening with brexit too.

FYI I just googled and it looks like I'm very much correct -



Didn't the brexit referendum win by 50%+? So clearly there has been a shift away from you degenerates.

Ok so I know this is the express, but many remainers will probably respect Labour's David Blunkett and Ed Balls. Both of them are likeable people, good at judging the public mood in the UK and here is what they said yesterday about a second referendum. They are not wrong and you are not correct IMHO.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...um-second-vote

In this instance I agree with Balls and Blunkett.

[Edge-]

These now, of voting age, young adult EU extremists are impossible to reason with in their almost religious like pro EU beliefs such that you wouldn't try to debate with their nonsense any more so than you would with the fanatics in, for example ISIS. And yet with a sense of public duty I still try...

So basically, "People younger than me have a different opinion and therefore are all extremists who can't be reasoned with and should be forcefully silenced by the government."

You're doing a fantastic job of presenting yourself as a supporter of petty authoritarianism, dude.

[Deleted]

So basically, "People younger than me have a different opinion and therefore are all extremists who can't be reasoned with and should be forcefully silenced by the government."

You're doing a fantastic job of presenting yourself as a supporter of petty authoritarianism, dude.

curse thier education, keep em stupid i say!

[alexw]

In almost any other topic of discussion I might agree but,

We have had free and open debate on this for 40 years, and the "normal response" you suggest only works when you are dealing with rational sane people. Many remainers have been brainwashed into supporting the cult of the EU as though it can do no wrong, from birth, by the education system within the UK. It explains fully the bias of youth in favour of the EU and much more. They will grow out of it one hopes, as they leave the bosom of state supported indoctrination, enter the real world and with increasing age comes wisdom.

These now, of voting age, young adult EU extremists are impossible to reason with in their almost religious like pro EU beliefs such that you wouldn't try to debate with their nonsense any more so than you would with the fanatics in, for example ISIS. And yet with a sense of public duty I still try...

In my experience none of those insane groups can give rhyme or reason as to why they think the way they do. Except for sure they are both dangerous. But if by any peaceable means possible you can cure just one of their disease it has all been worth it.

That is not supporting an authoritarian regime, the very definition of the EU btw, that is trying to disassemble it and bring democracy. That 17.4 million, some might say inconvenient, majority again.




Ok so I know this is the express, but many remainers will probably respect Labour's David Blunkett and Ed Balls. Both of them are likeable people, good at judging the public mood in the UK and here is what they said yesterday about a second referendum. They are not wrong and you are not correct IMHO.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...um-second-vote

In this instance I agree with Balls and Blunkett.

Lol what?

We have hard evidence based on polling that you've lost / are losing a big chunk of support for brexit and your reply is to pick two people making random comments that say otherwise? Get real. Brexit is a minority position and if the worst comes to the worst you brexit fanatics will get publicly mobbed and shamed for leading your country over a cliff edge.

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So basically, "People younger than me have a different opinion and therefore are all extremists who can't be reasoned with and should be forcefully silenced by the government."

You're doing a fantastic job of presenting yourself as a supporter of petty authoritarianism, dude.

Let me guess, he is a boomer?

Oh and FYI check out the demographic breakdown for the polling I quoted above, its unreal (page 5, bottom).

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net...f_180717_w.pdf

The only ones who want what dribbles wants appears to be retired seniors. Not sure why they hate their children like dribbles does, yet for some reason they do. Those numbers are a recipe for real demographic strife. What happens when those now youngsters become the majority? Dribbles better hope that he's no longer around when that happens. The payback is going to be a bitch.

[Slant]

It isn't about strict legal definitions though, more about the people in the UK's perception of who is to blame for a failed negotiation. Very few will read the whole of that treaty or paragraph 1 of Article 8 let alone the second. What is important here is the spin the media put on it as we prepare for a no deal. That has already started, more people will have read this article in todays news than a boring EU treaty in entirety.

So, either the EU breaks the law or it isn't about the law and more about feels? Make up your mind. I think everyone in the UK knows exactly who to blame for this. And for a change, it ain't the EU. Only crazies like you are so desperate to go for the feels legislation. You don't feel special enough? Here's a cookie for you, now you're real special. We never give cookies to anyone else who negotiates with us. Want a hug?

It's like discussing with imbeciles...

Oh, another thing. Since you're leaving the EU... we don't actually care if you blame us for anything anymore. You're out. The worst you could do to the EU, you are doing right the fuck now. You got something else? Bring it. Bring your A game. Because nothing you can do is worse than this for us. You finally got your will, you pulled one over your hated enemy... hope you choke on it, Dribs. :P

Nah man, blame whoever you want. Your people blamed the EU for basically everything for 30 years or so. It's not like we haven't gotten used to it. Nobody reads your shit tabloids anyway. :P

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I think it's preferable to view in the same way as administering medicine to a child. They might not like the taste, but you just know long term it is good for them.

Would you like our historical handguide on how to go full authoritarian? I heard you guys dig that shit, all skulls and bones and stuff. We can lend it to you.

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In almost any other topic of discussion I might agree but,

We have had free and open debate on this for 40 years, and the "normal response" you suggest only works when you are dealing with rational sane people. Many remainers have been brainwashed into supporting the cult of the EU as though it can do no wrong, from birth, by the education system within the UK. It explains fully the bias of youth in favour of the EU and much more. They will grow out of it one hopes, as they leave the bosom of state supported indoctrination, enter the real world and with increasing age comes wisdom.

These now, of voting age, young adult EU extremists are impossible to reason with in their almost religious like pro EU beliefs such that you wouldn't try to debate with their nonsense any more so than you would with the fanatics in, for example ISIS. And yet with a sense of public duty I still try...

Wow, you're really started to rewrite history in your head now, aren't you. There were no remainers in Britain ever. They are a countermovement to the insanity you call your home and to which I refer to as "Dribs wanking fantasy". Most Britons were slightly sceptical of the EU most of the time, and the ones that weren't were absolutely indifferent. I would say that a minority used to be actual pro-EU guys. The thing is, however, you forced people to pick a side. YOU and your gang of crazies tore the country into two. Congratulations, traitor. And now you've had a natural countermovement of people that want to preserve the current status quo and you call them "extremists"?

You're funny man.

[Floopa]

Didn't the brexit referendum win by 50%+? So clearly there has been a shift away from you degenerates.

on the day of the eu referendum Yougov put polling at 52/48 remain/leave. 52/48 remain/leave back in 2016.

their most recent poll on remain/leave shows 54/46 remain/leave in the event of a no deal Brexit, and 53/47 remain/leave in the event of a Brexit w/ a deal.

polls for a referendum are meaningless.

[Floopa]

Well what is not meaningless is demographics. Every day that passes, more old people who voted in favor of Brexit die.

and more young people that get to the voting age will still not vote, just like the young people that did not vote in the first referendum.

swings and roundabouts.

[dribbles]

So, either the EU breaks the law or it isn't about the law and more about feels? Make up your mind. I think everyone in the UK knows exactly who to blame for this. And for a change, it ain't the EU. Only crazies like you are so desperate to go for the feels legislation. You don't feel special enough? Here's a cookie for you, now you're real special. We never give cookies to anyone else who negotiates with us. Want a hug?

It's like discussing with imbeciles...

Oh, another thing. Since you're leaving the EU... we don't actually care if you blame us for anything anymore. You're out. The worst you could do to the EU, you are doing right the fuck now. You got something else? Bring it. Bring your A game. Because nothing you can do is worse than this for us. You finally got your will, you pulled one over your hated enemy... hope you choke on it, Dribs. :P

Nah man, blame whoever you want. Your people blamed the EU for basically everything for 30 years or so. It's not like we haven't gotten used to it. Nobody reads your shit tabloids anyway. :P

Not at all, this Brexit will run and run, ratings in the tens of millions. You, and the EU, are experiencing season 1. Preparations are well under way for season 2, which I believe screens in the UK from April 2019. If you think we're out and that's the end, you and the EU are sadly mistaken.

Would you like our historical handguide on how to go full authoritarian? I heard you guys dig that shit, all skulls and bones and stuff. We can lend it to you.


Wow, you're really started to rewrite history in your head now, aren't you. There were no remainers in Britain ever. They are a countermovement to the insanity you call your home and to which I refer to as "Dribs wanking fantasy". Most Britons were slightly sceptical of the EU most of the time, and the ones that weren't were absolutely indifferent. I would say that a minority used to be actual pro-EU guys. The thing is, however, you forced people to pick a side. YOU and your gang of crazies tore the country into two. Congratulations, traitor. And now you've had a natural countermovement of people that want to preserve the current status quo and you call them "extremists"?

You're funny man.

Slanty you have been my patient for almost three years, none of my verbal potions appear to have had any efficacy. I think the EU has done a job on you, you may be untreatable.

I fear all that is left to prescribe is a trip to Dreamland in Margate for a spot of water boarding with Spitfire Ale and a sniff of laughing gas. I can picture it now, you on the big dipper wailing hysterically...:P

Well what is not meaningless is demographics. Every day that passes, more old people who voted in favor of Brexit die.

And more and more people who are young today , switch sides to Brexit as they age. The demographics of an ageing population are not with you and remain on this trust me. You overlooked the biggest factor, as the EU often tends to do, let me enlighten you.

"TORRENTIAL rain on June 23 2016, the day of the Brexit referendum, reduced the number of Leave voters according to a shock study, which noted that had the ballot taken place on a sunny day Brexit would have won by an even greater margin."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/99...Rain-New-Study

Don't worry though, the sun is beaming right now, bring on a second referendum anytime you wish. Let the 85% of people who voted for brexit supporting parties at the last general election speak again if you dare. Remain next time will be decimated...

[Floopa]

Don't worry though, the sun is beaming right now, bring on a second referendum anytime you wish. Let the 85% of people who voted for brexit supporting parties at the last general election speak again if you dare. Remain next time will be decimated...

i actually agree, i think a second in/out referendum sees leave winning.

the only way remain would win, now, is if they split the leave vote, by doing a 3 way referendum (which is a bit dishonest):

remain in eu
leave with no deal
accept UK/eu deal

[Slant]

Not at all, this Brexit will run and run, ratings in the tens of millions. You, and the EU, are experiencing season 1. Preparations are well under way for season 2, which I believe screens in the UK from April 2019. If you think we're out and that's the end, you and the EU are sadly mistaken.



Slanty you have been my patient for almost three years, none of my verbal potions appear to have had any efficacy. I think the EU has done a job on you, you may be untreatable.

I fear all that is left to prescribe is a trip to Dreamland in Margate for a spot of water boarding with Spitfire Ale and a sniff of laughing gas. I can picture it now, you on the big dipper wailing hysterically...:P



And more and more people who are young today , switch sides to Brexit as they age. The demographics of an ageing population are not with you and remain on this trust me. You overlooked the biggest factor, as the EU often tends to do, let me enlighten you.

"TORRENTIAL rain on June 23 2016, the day of the Brexit referendum, reduced the number of Leave voters according to a shock study, which noted that had the ballot taken place on a sunny day Brexit would have won by an even greater margin."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/99...Rain-New-Study

Don't worry though, the sun is beaming right now, bring on a second referendum anytime you wish. Let the 85% of people who voted for brexit supporting parties at the last general election speak again if you dare. Remain next time will be decimated...

So, from blaming the EU you go back to wanking off to it. You don't acknowledge or heck even refute my points. You just go back to lala-land and kumbaya bullshit about your fantasy. Alright.

Please, never ever quote the Express to me again. The only way for me to respond is to quote BILD to you, and that's actually, physically painful, because I would have to look at their articles. And everytime that happens I get a headache from brain cells literally dying by the hundreds every second they are exposed to that intelligence vacuum.

It's too late for you, but don't make me do it.

[Slant]

I've always found it concerning that tabloids in the UK have such avid readership while being so heavily political. I mean most of our tabloids still focus on what local celebrities do.

I agree. And I think the normal people in England don't trust their papers anymore, except for... you know FT, Economist or The Times. No sane person would ever quote the Express and not consider it the biggest joke of them all. Enter the Dribs. Quoting the Express in what was otherwise a serious debate. :P

[Slant]

I mean I sometimes wonder if I should keep a small archive of links to the most ridiculous stories those tabloids have posted and when Dribbs links an Express article, I can counter it with . . . I don't know TIME TRAVELERS SENT TO THE YEAR 2365!
That's like cutting edge journalism there.

Wtf... I thought you were quoting an insane paper, but that's actually the Express... lol how incredible, literally.

[Slant]

Ah lol, you can't hide from Google.

[dribbles]

I mean I sometimes wonder if I should keep a small archive of links to the most ridiculous stories those tabloids have posted and when Dribbs links an Express article, I can counter it with . . . I don't know TIME TRAVELERS SENT TO THE YEAR 2365!
That's like cutting edge journalism there.

You know that guy in the article you quote voted remain right? And he is one of the saner ones amongst you lot...

[Noradin]

Don't worry overall skilled immigration was up last year. People from across the world coming to guaranteed job placements, great news. The only immigration that fell was jobless bums from the EU, again great news.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...l-eu-arrivals/

Brexit working as intended.

You didn't bother to read that article, did you?

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There are many things, actually. The bit about lawyers working abroad? Wtf is that about, a British lawyer doesn't have any business in a German court right now. He doesn't know the laws, he doesn't know how trial works in Germany, heck he doesn't even know how the legal system works. That one is a bit bullshit.

The British lawyer in Germany wouldn't show up in the (German) courts, they would be advising Germans on British law for when they want to deal with that country (investments, etc.).

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This unicorn philosophy doesn't work.

What have the scots ever done to you that you keep hating on their chosen animal?