The Brexit aftermath thread

[Kronik85]

IMO, the debate isn't over. That's all I'm trying to say.

When both parties trot out that having the temerity to vote for either was a vote for Brexit it does create the impression that neither is up for stopping this debacle. Then you factor in unmoving opinion polls, Comrade Corbyn's lunacy and May's commitment to continually put party over country to the point she would let Brexiteers sabotage her flagship White Paper to the point it was a guaranteed failure with her approval....then yeah the debate is over.

[Noradin]

I've asked this before, but don't think I received an answer. Noradin: do you work for the EU in some capacity? Your written English has more than a hint of officialise about it.

If you did I must have missed it, sorry.
But to actually answer your question: Technically the EU pays for some of my work but not directly.
I'm a physicist and do fundamental research.

[Slant]

Slant, dude --- are you trolling me?

You're misreading this.

Have you not gathered anything from the indecision / incompetence of this deeply-divided UK government?

There is still time for popular opinion in the UK to swing this... so long as people like Kronik85 don't succumb to apathy.

You're really not helping with this whole: no, you Brits have made your mind up, fuck you attitude.

Mate, even if I want to believe you saying that there is still time to swing it. In your heart you knwo this is just as much a fantasy as Dribs' ravings are. May has declined that time and again, it's the one thing nobody can take from her. It's not gonna happen. There will be no second referendum and... quite frankly, even the swinging polls do not show a supermajority big enough to even warrant thinking about it.

I'm not apathetic, I'm actually, literally, a third party and can't actively take part in this, because I am not a UK citizen.

It's up to you to fix this mess. You alone. We won't be able to help you, even if we wanted at this stage. The backlash from the Remainer side has been entirely too tame and lackluster.

[Noradin]

Our 2 main political parties are committed to Brexit and I'm living in Brexit central atm so my local MP is for Brexit whether she agrees or not. Somehow I dont think a strongly worded letter to either her or May is going to achieve much.

Write a letter anyway, maybe do not make it "strongly worded" but make your position clear.
It might not change anything, but if everyone in your position doesn't do it because of that then that is guaranteed not to change anything.

[Dhrizzle]

That would explain their Xenophobia, to be honest. All those countries taking over your nation will do that to you.

Start with the bloody pig-headiness of British islanders and add a healthy dose of Roman imperial ambition. Stir in some Saxon warrior culture and add a touch of Danish seamanship. Infuse with the arrogance of the French and leave to stew for several centuries. Finally add just a pinch of Dutch trade expertise and unleash on the world.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Start with the bloody pig-headiness of British islanders and add a healthy dose of Roman imperial ambition. Stir in some Saxon warrior culture and add a touch of Danish seamanship. Infuse with the arrogance of the French and leave to stew for several centuries. Finally add just a pinch of Dutch trade expertise and unleash on the world.

Anglophobia

[Dhrizzle]

the thing is, the existing EEA members can veto that I think

Pretty sure Norway would object, and dublicating everything just for the UK and then not giving them a say would not go over well.

I doubt it, Norway knows as well as anyone that keeping the UK in the EEA is best for them and their European partners, and don't forget that having one of Europe's heavyweights in there can only strengthen the hand of the EEA.

[Slant]

Start with the bloody pig-headiness of British islanders and add a healthy dose of Roman imperial ambition. Stir in some Saxon warrior culture and add a touch of Danish seamanship. Infuse with the arrogance of the French and leave to stew for several centuries. Finally add just a pinch of Dutch trade expertise and unleash on the world.

I know you just made that up on the spot, but it sounds too good to not be true at least in some details.

[Dhrizzle]

Anglophobia

Fine...

Start with the bloody pig-headiness of British islanders and add a healthy dose of Roman imperial ambition. Stir in some Anglo-Saxon warrior culture and add a touch of Danish seamanship. Infuse with the arrogance of the French and leave to stew for several centuries. Finally add just a pinch of Dutch trade expertise and unleash on the world.

Happy now?

[Slant]

Anglophobia

It's a joke, man. The British can't be butthurt about a little nation banter, you'd the world champions of it.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Mate, even if I want to believe you saying that there is still time to swing it. In your heart you knwo this is just as much a fantasy as Dribs' ravings are. May has declined that time and again, it's the one thing nobody can take from her. It's not gonna happen. There will be no second referendum and... quite frankly, even the swinging polls do not show a supermajority big enough to even warrant thinking about it.

I'm not apathetic, I'm actually, literally, a third party and can't actively take part in this, because I am not a UK citizen.

It's up to you to fix this mess. You alone. We won't be able to help you, even if we wanted at this stage. The backlash from the Remainer side has been entirely too tame and lackluster.

Well, we'll see -

I don't think the result of this is as certain as you imply

[Noradin]

The phobia part is obvious... every post of yours in this thread is laced with some anti-English sentiment.

But, in fairness, I really can't blame you.

He is German, it is how they show they care, it is a special form of humour and not to be taken too seriously.
If you look closely at his posts and keep in mind that unless he explicitly states that he means the British people then you notice that he is really commisserating with you about the current state of politics. He just won't say it outright, because that would be considered rude xD

[Dhrizzle]

I know you just made that up on the spot, but it sounds too good to not be true at least in some details.

I forgot to mention the Norman's efficiency at taking over places too, but yeah whilst it's tongue-in-cheek I do think that Britain's success as a military and imperial power comes from the successive waves of invaders bring their expertise to the island.

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It's a joke, man. The British can't be butthurt about a little nation banter, you'd the world champions of it.

You'd think so, but there's a certain subtle genious behind German fans singing "football's coming home."

[Kronik85]

Write a letter anyway, maybe do not make it "strongly worded" but make your position clear.
It might not change anything, but if everyone in your position doesn't do it because of that then that is guaranteed not to change anything.

My specific constituency was 63/37 in favour of Brexit. My MP wouldn't change her position if every single one of the 37% wrote her a letter. As to May, her position is known and it's not changing.

[Slant]

Well, we'll see -

I don't think the result of this is as certain as you imply

Well, if this is somehow overturned, I'll be the first one on the stands cheering for you guys. But you'll understand that in the long run, I'll want those exceptions re-examined. If you want to be in, be in. Don't stand in the door. In or out, those are the two options going forward. You can keep your British Pound, that's not what I mean. I mean the Thatcher deals and any other rebate or special condition that you traded by blackmailing the EU with leaving.

[Nigel Tufnel]

It's a joke, man. The British can't be butthurt about a little nation banter, you'd the world champions of it.

Yep, fair enough.

I just think what we need in UK at the moment is a little less of the Daily Hate and a bit more of teh Grauniad

[Noradin]

Why would Norway object the UK joining the EEA? Fishing? I'm sure the EU can convince Norway that being a team player is the smart move, considering they are the junior partner in this deal themselves.

Aer you kidding?
Why would they want to give British politicans any say in the EEA after their display of their competence that is Brexit?
It really wouldn't be fair to them to give the UK equal say.

[Slant]

You'd think so, but there's a certain subtle genious behind German fans singing "football's coming home."

Nah, it isn't. It's more that we suck at being "cool". Our chants are shite and we're actually deeply embarassed about them. The British, however... gnargh, their chants are pure genius, always changing, always spontaneous and 9 times out of 10, brilliantly funny. I cracked up so hard when Celtic fans chanted nothing but "Huns are going bust!" for an entire half-time break... they're so pure and pitiless in their banter. :P

[Noradin]

I doubt it, Norway knows as well as anyone that keeping the UK in the EEA is best for them and their European partners, and don't forget that having one of Europe's heavyweights in there can only strengthen the hand of the EEA.

Only if they can keep the UK from gaining any say in how the EEA is run.

[Slant]

Yep, fair enough.

I just think what we need in UK at the moment is a little less of the Daily Hate and a bit more of teh Grauniad

Dude, you do read the paper whenever England is playing Germany, don't you? It's been 80 years and still you give us shit for it. :P