The Brexit aftermath thread

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Labour once again dithering about getting back into government.

Also, if you want a look at people who make dribbles look sane, take a read of the comments.

[ranzino]

Newest stunt: Stormont is called to decide the NI problem; if they agree, NI stays in single market.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ages-eu-envoys

wasnt this an option long ago already (the "backstop" issue), but May was up in arms against it on behalf of DUP ?

and now the forecast for the tourism to europe in spring 2019: sorry, not going to happen; all flights cancelled
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...no-deal-brexit

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Newest stunt: Stormont is called to decide the NI problem; if they agree, NI stays in single market.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ages-eu-envoys

wasnt this an option long ago already (the "backstop" issue), but May was up in arms against it on behalf of DUP ?

It ultimately means nothing, because the DUP (Right Wing Unionist Fundies) and Sinn Fein (former IRA Socialists who support a Unified Ireland) refuse to work together, so the NI Government hasn't been in session for over a year.

[dribbles]

Labour once again dithering about getting back into government.

Also, if you want a look at people who make dribbles look sane, take a read of the comments.

And any sane person (mine has never been in doubt tyvm) would draw the conclusion from that that it just confirms what I have said all along. If remaining in the EU is such a popular choice of the people, why do barely 1 in 10 people support voting for a party (the Lib Dems) that would, without doubt, enable it to happen?

http://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/

A peoples vote is a waste of time and money when 90% of the electorate would vote tomorrow for parties that will take us out of the EU (Yippee!) If the Labour party dared to support a 2nd referendum, it would be seen as abandoning millions of their brexit supporting voters from the midlands and the north driving them back into the arms of UKIP or even dare I say it the Tories.

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And any sane person (mine has never been in doubt tyvm) would draw the conclusion from that that it just confirms what I have said all along. If remaining in the EU is such a popular choice of the people, why do barely 1 in 10 people support voting for a party (the Lib Dems) that would, without doubt, enable it to happen?

http://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/

A peoples vote is a waste of time and money when 90% of the electorate would vote tomorrow for parties that will take us out of the EU (Yippee!) If the Labour party dared to support a 2nd referendum, it would be seen as abandoning millions of their brexit supporting voters from the midlands and the north driving them back into the arms of UKIP or even dare I say it the Tories.

Because the last time anyone seriously voted for the Lib Dems they shacked up with the Tories and went back on pretty much every single election promise they made.

The lack of interest in the Lib Dems has nothing to do with Brexit and everything to do with them having weak willed leaders like Clegg and Farron who'd just get bulldozed by anyone.

As for Labour abandoning millions in the North and the Midlands, they were doing that before Brexit thanks to Corbyn, hence the results in the last GE where pretty much the entire North and Midlands outside of the major cities voted for the Tories. The former Labour heartlands are already lost, the only chance Corbyn has of having a knock out victory in the next GE is supporting a second referendum, to get the millions of people who voted Remain on his side, and combine that with his left wing rhetoric.

I can't stand the man but if he gave this country the chance to turn Brexit around i'd vote for him in a heartbeat.

[Slant]

And any sane person (mine has never been in doubt tyvm) would draw the conclusion from that that it just confirms what I have said all along. If remaining in the EU is such a popular choice of the people, why do barely 1 in 10 people support voting for a party (the Lib Dems) that would, without doubt, enable it to happen?

http://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/

A peoples vote is a waste of time and money when 90% of the electorate would vote tomorrow for parties that will take us out of the EU (Yippee!) If the Labour party dared to support a 2nd referendum, it would be seen as abandoning millions of their brexit supporting voters from the midlands and the north driving them back into the arms of UKIP or even dare I say it the Tories.

Why would I vote for anyone but the big two in a 2-party system? Waste of votes until the chances are high they actually take second place, or heck even first.

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Why would I vote for anyone but the big two in a 2-party system? Waste of votes until the chances are high they actually take second place, or heck even first.

Because 16 million missguided people voted to remain in the EU at the 2016 referendum, if the same number of people had voted for the Lib Dems at the last snap election in 2017 Britain would have remained in the EU.

If I were a usually natural Labour or Conservative voter yet wanted to remain in the EU I would've voted Lib Dem and tried to get everyone else with the same views to do the same. Brexit was and is for a short time longer the big issue of the day with consequences, in my opinion to the benefit, for generations and should, could and would transcend party politics. The rise and fall of UKIP is a perfect example of what pressure a single issue party can bring to bear on a country. The fact, that either the remain Lib Dem side had such a weak case, or perhaps were so disorganised they couldn't sustain such a party shows why the better argued side won.

Saving the trees, tax cuts or nationalisation of public services could have waited for a bit whilst the more important Brexit issue was resolved. I guess Brexit is less important to some who feel conned over Lib Dem student tuition fee lies, than in or out of the EU. Oh well whatever, out it is then.

Why if you supported remain, were you so stupid to not vote collectively for the Lib Dems in 2017? If as a herd you had of done, it would be woe is me weeping all over forums such as this looking for pity and asking why why why.

Valuable lesson, if nothing else, to be learnt there. You had your 1st chance in the referendum and blew it. You had your second chance at the last general election yet again you blew it. What is it third time lucky? Nah nothing to worry about either, you'll fuck your chance up there too, peoples vote or no peoples vote.

March, protest all you like, total waste of time and energy. My side have already won. Twice.

(not you persanally Slanty in all the above, but "you" as in the UK remainers.)

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See this is what I mean by his trolling, he knows he can get a rise from you Slant, even if that entire wall of text was meant for me.

[Gibblewink]

And that level of diligence is another reason why Chequers' solution the Irish question was dead on arrival.

On a related note I wonder what the UK is going to do about the 2.7 billion euro claim from the Commission - "Go whistle" or pay up?

[Nigel Tufnel]

Labour once again dithering about getting back into government.

Also, if you want a look at people who make dribbles look sane, take a read of the comments.

Yep, this was a bit of a let down.

I liked David Lammy. "CAN YOU HEAR US, JEREMY CORBYN". The volume Lammy was speaking at, Corbyn couldn't have failed to hear him even if he had been in Australia.

That's the thing about Labour atm... I like a lot of the backbenchers but practically none of the frontbenchers.

But that wouldn't stop me from voting for them if they got off the fence.

[Kallisto]

Yep, this was a bit of a let down.

I liked David Lammy. "CAN YOU HEAR US, JEREMY CORBYN". The volume Lammy was speaking at, Corbyn couldn't have failed to hear him even if he had been in Australia.

That's the thing about Labour atm... I like a lot of the backbenchers but practically none of the frontbenchers.

But that wouldn't stop me from voting for them if they got off the fence.

Honestly I don't think Corbyn or much of the Front bench have any interest in being in government. It could be that they want the tories to suffer the sword of Damocles that is brexit. Or (this is more how I feel) Corbyn doesn't want the responsibility of being PM at all ever. He prefers to be the guy who sits on the sides being able to bitch and moan and offer solutions that won't happen without having to be responsible for them.

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See this is what I mean by his trolling, he knows he can get a rise from you Slant, even if that entire wall of text was meant for me.

Nah, he's just a retard that doesn't understand FPTP. There's too many like him, hell BBC comments section about brexit makes dribbles look sane

[Slant]

See this is what I mean by his trolling, he knows he can get a rise from you Slant, even if that entire wall of text was meant for me.

I'm not sure how that's supposed to get a rise out of me, I'm not the one talking nonsense. It's you guys that I am worried about. If people like him can get away with their shit, you'll have one heck of a divided nation come March next year. Me? I'll be sitting in the heart of the EU being obnoxiously "I told you so" about all of this.

To be honest, I wouldn't even know how to fix this outside of a clear 180° of the Government and blowing the whole thing off, absolutely losing any credibility in the process. For two years we have discussed, debated, bantered... but so far, nobody in this forum or in politics on either side of the channel has been able to riddle me this:

How do you keep the treaties intact while at the same time honouring GFA?

Simple question really. I mean, Gibraltar is not going to be a joke, either. But at least that one is wonderfully clear. Northern Ireland, though? No idea, and I've wrecked by head quite a bit over it. Even that backstop solution seems ludicrously dissatisfying. Not to mention that he's right, DUP won't stand for it and for some reason the Northern Irish are enjoying the best touche in recent history, are they not deciding the fate of the UK all of a sudden? If I was Northern Irish, I'd be sick from work with all the stomach cramps the constant laughing would give me...

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A British MP can't be expected to say sane things these days. So, another shit post.

have they ever ?

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And any sane person (mine has never been in doubt tyvm) would draw the conclusion from that that it just confirms what I have said all along. If remaining in the EU is such a popular choice of the people, why do barely 1 in 10 people support voting for a party (the Lib Dems) that would, without doubt, enable it to happen?

http://britainelects.com/polling/westminster/

A peoples vote is a waste of time and money when 90% of the electorate would vote tomorrow for parties that will take us out of the EU (Yippee!) If the Labour party dared to support a 2nd referendum, it would be seen as abandoning millions of their brexit supporting voters from the midlands and the north driving them back into the arms of UKIP or even dare I say it the Tories.

personally ill never vote libdem again after the betrayal over student fees. they could promise me a giant gold statue of Lucy Pinder's tits and i still wouldent vote for them.

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Why would I vote for anyone but the big two in a 2-party system? Waste of votes until the chances are high they actually take second place, or heck even first.

i old school and still vote for the party based on the need's of my area and what they offer for my area, like how parliament was supposed to be before big party politics.

knowing me would you think i have voted libdem, green and green in the last 3 elections ?

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also can we all agree that the Brexit negotiations are basically fucking over now not at a stand still and we can all get on with bracing for this hard Brexit and what ever will happen.

[Slant]

i old school and still vote for the party based on the need's of my area and what they offer for my area, like how parliament was supposed to be before big party politics.

knowing me would you think i have voted libdem, green and green in the last 3 elections ?

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also can we all agree that the Brexit negotiations are basically fucking over now not at a stand still and we can all get on with bracing for this hard Brexit and what ever will happen.

I don't know you, but I commend you for following your convictions.

Well, May pretty much made sure there's enough sand in the gears for this negotiation to grind to a complete halt until March. We'll see just how patient the EU can be. Perhaps they'll let this slide. After all, bureaucracy doesn't care about idle threats nor petty bickering. They just follow procedure and whatever happens, happens. It's surprising that May still doesn't get it after 2 years. The EU doesn't have to do anything but prepare for the worst outcome. The crown jewels of the EU, their treaties, are worth so much more than anything May could threaten them with... not sure who deluded her into thinking she can rebuke the EU like that and expect them to somehow be intimindated by it?

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I don't know you, but I commend you for following your convictions.

Well, May pretty much made sure there's enough sand in the gears for this negotiation to grind to a complete halt until March. We'll see just how patient the EU can be. Perhaps they'll let this slide. After all, bureaucracy doesn't care about idle threats nor petty bickering. They just follow procedure and whatever happens, happens. It's surprising that May still doesn't get it after 2 years. The EU doesn't have to do anything but prepare for the worst outcome. The crown jewels of the EU, their treaties, are worth so much more than anything May could threaten them with... not sure who deluded her into thinking she can rebuke the EU like that and expect them to somehow be intimindated by it?

yea though i think the revers is true of the UK, i think the high ups in the EU like junker and such underestimated the pull and sway the pro Brexit camp of MP's has who wont be satisfied unless they either have the EU bent over a barrel or a clean 100% break.

personally i predict a Mexican stand off from now till at least after Christmas at which point one side will flinch and there will be a mad rush to thrash something out or we both get zilch. i know if nothing else the EU wants that divorce payment but without a signed and sealed deal they will have to do some painful ish finance shuffling.

[Slant]

yea though i think the revers is true of the UK, i think the high ups in the EU like junker and such underestimated the pull and sway the pro Brexit camp of MP's has who wont be satisfied unless they either have the EU bent over a barrel or a clean 100% break.

personally i predict a Mexican stand off from now till at least after Christmas at which point one side will flinch and there will be a mad rush to thrash something out or we both get zilch. i know if nothing else the EU wants that divorce payment but without a signed and sealed deal they will have to do some painful ish finance shuffling.

The divorce payment is not an issue of importance to the EU. Sure, those what, 37 billion, are a nice thing to have, but with an economy as big as the EU's, they're not the best token to bargain with. And you can bet some solid money on the EU having prepared to see nothing of that money in the past 2 years. If they get the money, the better. But that money isn't going to be a factor. One reason I can safely say this is that only the UK side is talking about the money at this stage.

[dribbles]

The divorce payment is not an issue of importance to the EU. Sure, those what, 37 billion, are a nice thing to have, but with an economy as big as the EU's, they're not the best token to bargain with. And you can bet some solid money on the EU having prepared to see nothing of that money in the past 2 years. If they get the money, the better. But that money isn't going to be a factor. One reason I can safely say this is that only the UK side is talking about the money at this stage.

Point of order.

37bn to 40bn however you look at it might not be that much to the EU as a one off payment but that is taken out of the context in the round that the EU sends 300bn to 400bn of goods to the UK each year. Or maybe it did...... perhaps no more, the EU can weather that? Not so easily I am sure.

[Edge-]

Point of order.

37bn to 40bn however you look at it might not be that much to the EU as a one off payment but that is taken out of the context in the round that the EU sends 300bn to 400bn of goods to the UK each year. Or maybe it did...... perhaps no more, the EU can weather that? Not so easily I am sure.

So uh...how are the UK going to replace those 3-400bn in goods they formerly got from the EU then?

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So uh...how are the UK going to replace those 3-400bn in goods they formerly got from the EU then?

Ask Theresa who is seeing Trump in the next day or two for the exact same trade deal the EU seems unwilling to want. Failing that, I suppose China would be happy to supply them, probably at 1/10th the EU price. As the buyer of goods you have many options in this global world, once out of the protectionist EU.

You know, fun fact, blackberries have been ripe all over the English countryside recently yet we get them from Guatamala wtf?, not the EU or even the UK. Same with Sloe Berries, everywhere you look at the minute, even Nigel on here won't go short of Gin! Who needs the EU for our essentials...

[Slant]

Ask Theresa who is seeing Trump in the next day or two for the exact same trade deal the EU seems unwilling to want. Failing that, I suppose China would be happy to supply them, probably at 1/10th the EU price. As the buyer of goods you have many options in this global world, once out of the protectionist EU.

You know, fun fact, blackberries have been ripe all over the English countryside recently yet we get them from Guatamala wtf?, not the EU or even the UK. Same with Sloe Berries, everywhere you look at the minute, even Nigel on here won't go short of Gin! Who needs the EU for our essentials...

Good luck with insulin.