View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #16061
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Sadly for you "uneducated" people have the right to vote.
    You can whine all you want, the EU will still be destroyed.

    What are you going to do to stop it?


    Openly admitting you're listening to lobbyists doesn't make it any better.
    I'm going to inform people to the best of my ability on what the EU actually is and isn't and if the plebs still want to use their democratic vote to try and maybe succeed in breaking up the EU then it is their right. Funny how that is possible, voting to destroy the EU. Almost as if the EU isn't a dictatorship after all like you retards think.

    If a nation wants to fuck themselves in the ass like UK is doing, they have every right to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Sadly for you "uneducated" people have the right to vote.
    You can whine all you want, the EU will still be destroyed.

    What are you going to do to stop it?


    Openly admitting you're listening to lobbyists doesn't make it any better.
    Also do you understand how big of a fucking idiot you are for thinking that EU is undemocratic dictatorship and then admitting that even the dumbest of citizens have the right to vote how ever they want? Man you are an embarrassment.

  2. #16062
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    I'm going to inform people to the best of my ability on what the EU actually is and isn't and if the plebs still want to use their democratic vote to try and maybe succeed in breaking up the EU then it is their right. Funny how that is possible, voting to destroy the EU. Almost as if the EU isn't a dictatorship after all like you retards think.

    If a nation wants to fuck themselves in the ass like UK is doing, they have every right to do so.

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    Also do you understand how big of a fucking idiot you are for thinking that EU is undemocratic dictatorship and then admitting that even the dumbest of citizens have the right to vote how ever they want? Man you are an embarrassment.
    Thank you for taking the infraction hits for all of us that want to say the same. Resoundingly agreed with every word of it.
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  3. #16063
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Did he? 'Cos these days he thinks Stalin was a hero... that'd be quite the shift in personality.


    OT: WTF good is a 3 month delay going to do when we're at this point in the shit show after 2 whole years? Should just cancel this mess and deal with the fallout from that. The UK is standing toe-to-toe with Trump as the world's laughing stock already.
    We would "need" an extension even if the HoC had a position, to actually implement it. There are something like 300 pieces of legislation that to this day need ammending to (what we can only assume) no longer include or reference the EU and it's mechanisms. I don't think anyone in the thread has a firm understanding of what would happen if this didn't occur but it is the opinion of experts and Parliamentarians that this needs to happen before we can leave in any form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    I'm going to inform people to the best of my ability on what the EU actually is and isn't and if the plebs still want to use their democratic vote to try and maybe succeed in breaking up the EU then it is their right. Funny how that is possible, voting to destroy the EU. Almost as if the EU isn't a dictatorship after all like you retards think.
    People voting in national elections to get out of the EU doesn't make the EU undemocratic.

    Your information campaign (fear-mongering) is failing, lol.

  5. #16065
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    People voting in national elections to get out of the EU doesn't make the EU undemocratic.
    And what is this supposed to mean?

  6. #16066
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0320/1037436-brexit_delay/
    https://static.rasset.ie/documents/n...an-council.pdf

    For something more constructive than engaging with Kangodo, the letter May is sending to the EU to ask for an extension is now available.

    It basically boils down to that she wants more time just to try to push her deal, or an amended version of it, through parliament again. I can see the EU almost certainly rejecting this.

  7. #16067
    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    It basically boils down to that she wants more time just to try to push her deal, or an amended version of it, through parliament again. I can see the EU almost certainly rejecting this.
    She failed before, she will fail again. It's time to end this clown fiesta already. But as I said I still have no confidence that the EU will just reject it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    And what is this supposed to mean?
    People didn't vote for Brexit in some European "election".

  9. #16069
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    People didn't vote for Brexit in some European "election".
    If the EU was dictatorship do you really think UK could do the shit it does right now?

  10. #16070
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    If the EU was dictatorship do you really think UK could do the shit it does right now?
    Yes? Why not?

    "A dictatorship is an authoritarian form of government, characterized by a single leader or group of leaders with either no party or a weak party, little mass mobilization, and limited political pluralism." - EU leaders are generally not decided on party lines, and political pluralism on top level is limited - it is mostly just (neo-)liberal policies.

    You're probably thinking of totalitarianism?
    "Totalitarianism is a political concept of a mode of government that prohibits opposition parties, restricts individual opposition to the state and its claims, and exercises an extremely high degree of control over public and private life."

    EU isn't totalitarian (at least not yet), some of their decisions can border on dictatorial though (as noted above, you can have dictatorship with "group of leaders" rather then single decision-maker).

  11. #16071
    Quote Originally Posted by Maklor View Post
    There was plenty of time to do that...
    I don't think anyone is making a case for the competence of the UK Gov at this stage. It's more a case of "well this is where we are".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    If the EU was dictatorship do you really think UK could do the shit it does right now?
    Yes. Because the people of the UK voted in a referendum within the UK.
    Notice how the EU doesn't hold referendums over its inner workings?

  13. #16073
    Stop derailing the thread, Russian trollbot. Fuck off.
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  14. #16074
    'BREAKING I just asked PM's spokesman to confirm clearly that her #Pmqs remarks mean she would quit if Brexit was delayed beyond June 30.
    His reply: "You should infer from those words the strength of the prime minister's resolve".'


    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status...59784342962176

    But given her resolve to get a good deal for the UK and for the UK to leave the EU on 29/03 I'm not sure too much can be read in to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    "And you wonder why we used to hang and assinate your kind, can't say my granddad was wrong would have even loaded to gun to deal with such anarchists."

    but this is perfectly fine if it's done against people who dislike liberalism apparently.
    I thought you refered to the part in dutch to be honest

  16. #16076
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Stop derailing the thread, Russian trollbot. Fuck off.
    This is one of about fifty different instances of Slant and numerous other neoliberal posters very obviously breaking the rules and being ignored.

    This is why no one respects the moderation process. You just get some cunt like Northern Goblin protecting the posters he agrees with and ignoring any examples of racism or ad hominen personal attacks otherwise.

  17. #16077
    It seems clear from the EU side that there cannot be an extension past May 23 and there cannot be more than one extension.

    Question, what happens if May resigns next week when the EU refuses the extension?
    Last edited by Nymrohd; 2019-03-20 at 02:39 PM.

  18. #16078
    Quote Originally Posted by Maklor View Post
    Because the EU doesn't hold referendums at all since it's not a separate entity, it's is a union of countries that each decide for themselves, you sound as smart as dribbles.
    It is more like EU actively avoids referendums after problems with EU constitution voting in 2000s (which failed a few of them), preferring to limit EU decisions to parliamentary approvals.

    ...that is setting up to fail though given that referendums still remain as available option in many democratic countries, and not every parliamentary body is capable or willing to block them.

  19. #16079
    Quote Originally Posted by Maklor View Post
    Maybe it's a thing with Dutch posters, the poster "Deruter" also was normal at some point and then became rabid, not seen him in a while though, maybe he changed name.

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    There was plenty of time to do that...
    Im dutch and perfectly not rabid!

    But I feel embarresed by Kangodo... Btw, just throw him on ignore, I did, and Im happy I did so.
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  20. #16080
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    It is more like EU actively avoids referendums after problems with EU constitution voting in 2000s (which failed a few of them), preferring to limit EU decisions to parliamentary approvals.

    ...that is setting up to fail though given that referendums still remain as available option in many democratic countries, and not every parliamentary body is capable or willing to block them.
    The EU has no authority to conduct referendums, it is up to the individual states to call for them.

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