View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #18181
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Ok, getting closer to an answer. What do they stand for?

    I'm not british.
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    I like how they have to bring in uncle toms to not come across racist.

    Not clicking bigot political youtube vids, would end up spending too much time removing the racist feeds youtube injects in your suggestions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    Not where im from tbh, but have you seen social housing in the UK slant? it makes you shiver like mad. it looks third world.
    It does everywhere. The UK doesn't have a monopoly on misery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    So pleased to be able to help. A minute or so video explains it for you. Feel free to donate...
    Ugh.....

    Absolutely ugh.

    In fairness, I've yet to view a political video message that hasn't elicited that response. But that was particularly awful.

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    And on to real news: trouble in NI last night. "Dissident republicans" firing on police. A journalist killed. Most "post-conflict" violence has been loyalist on loyalist, republican on republican. Is this the sign of things to come?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    And on to real news: trouble in NI last night. "Dissident republicans" firing on police. A journalist killed. Most "post-conflict" violence has been loyalist on loyalist, republican on republican. Is this the sign of things to come?
    All on the EU. If only they hadn't weaponised the Irish border during the Brexit negotiations. What did the EU expect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    All on the EU. If only they hadn't weaponised the Irish border during the Brexit negotiations. What did the EU expect?
    How was the Irish border ever not going be an issue of "weaponised" proportions? Nothing to do with the EU or the UK. Just the logical outcome of the UK leaving the EU's institutions.

    In fairness, is it possible to draw a connection at this stage? I don't know. But this is a timely reminder of the appalling potential for violence in the region.

    But, hey, collateral damage right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    How was the Irish border ever not going be an issue of "weaponised" proportions? Nothing to do with the EU or the UK. Just the logical outcome of the UK leaving the EU's institutions.

    In fairness, is it possible to draw a connection at this stage? I don't know. But this is a timely reminder of the appalling potential for violence in the region.

    But, hey, collateral damage right?
    Remainers and the EU in collusion stirred up troubles in Ireland in an attempt to frustrate Brexit. No one on the Irish side or the British side were/are ever going to put up a hard border there. Remainers and the EU falsely claimed otherwise and lit the fuse under the Irish tinderbox with the inevitable results.

    Someone has blood on their hands and it's not the brexiteers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    All on the EU. If only they hadn't weaponised the Irish border during the Brexit negotiations. What did the EU expect?
    Unfortunate, then, that Pelosi has already said that any trade deal with the UK would be off the table if the Troubles started up again.

    Looks like that great trade deal you promised after Brexit ain't gonna happen while the Democrats are in power here, bub. We understand the EU's integrity is more important to Western interests than rural English fee fees.

    Delenda Est.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    All on the EU. If only they hadn't weaponised the Irish border during the Brexit negotiations. What did the EU expect?
    When did the EU vote to leave the UK?

    It is all on the UK. The UK voted to leave. The UK decided to make FoM the core issue. The UK refused to budge on its "red lines". The UK decided it didn't care about Ireland. The backstop was only put in there because the EU told the UK it had to care about peace in Ireland if it wanted a deal.

    The EU would have had no issues leaving the border open if May hadn't opened her stupid fucking mouth and said what Rees Mogg and Farage told her to say. This bullshit is entirely your mob's fault. Own it. Don't run away blaming the EU when you shit the bed.

    You're all the same. Loud mouth, but no trousers. Farage dropped everything when he won in 2016. Same day, he was in the USA with his head so far up Trump's backside he could have given him a colonoscopy. First whiff of a chance at a job with some responsibility, Johnson pulled out of the leadership race. May only got the job because she was the last Tory to remain standing when the music stopped and the game of musical chairs ended.

    Now the Americans have told the UK there is no chance of a trade deal if Irish Peace is even slightly affected. The EU has made itself perfectly clear that the UK will ratify the Withdrawal Agreement if it wants a trade deal (either before leaving, or after - doesn't particularly matter in the end).

    Quote Originally Posted by Didactic View Post
    Unfortunate, then, that Pelosi has already said that any trade deal with the UK would be off the table if the Troubles started up again.

    Looks like that great trade deal you promised after Brexit ain't gonna happen while the Democrats are in power here, bub. We understand the EU's integrity is more important to Western interests than rural English fee fees.
    The EU restarted negotiations for a trade deal this week. Wouldn't it be poetic justice if the EU got a trade deal with the US before the UK did?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler to Baby Sloths View Post
    The EU restarted negotiations for a trade deal this week. Wouldn't it be poetic justice if the EU got a trade deal with the US before the UK did?
    And doubtless a better one, since the EU has a heckin' lot more to offer than the UK.

    Delenda Est.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Remainers and the EU in collusion stirred up troubles in Ireland in an attempt to frustrate Brexit. No one on the Irish side or the British side were/are ever going to put up a hard border there. Remainers and the EU falsely claimed otherwise and lit the fuse under the Irish tinderbox with the inevitable results.
    Do you have an alternative to a hard border that we're all unaware of?

    Remainers simply pointed out there would be a massive problem. Leavers just denied it and muttered rubbish about "technology".

    I mean, yes, if you're suggesting that Common Market 2.0 is the way forward, then fantastic. Damascene conversion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctd12345 View Post
    lool @ Turning point girl

    there is no appitite for troubles violence in NI or Ire for that matter. A big pro IRA mural in derry got defaced today, which would be unthinkable previously.

    dribbles you are scum and you know what you are doing. Gross human.
    In fairness to him, it was me who brought it up. However, I think it's daft to be talking about "blood on hands". It's just so inflammatory.

    The point I was trying to make was about the potential to return to greater levels of sectarian violence. If you look at "post-conflict" violence it's mostly been republican on republican, loyalist on loyalist and there hasn't been that much of it. But what happened yesterday was a bit of a departure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    So pleased to be able to help. A minute or so video explains it for you. Feel free to donate...
    In your own words, this can't be that hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    It does everywhere. The UK doesn't have a monopoly on misery.
    Not in Vienna.
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    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before.

    A bunch of times actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Ugh.....

    Absolutely ugh.

    In fairness, I've yet to view a political video message that hasn't elicited that response. But that was particularly awful.

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    And on to real news: trouble in NI last night. "Dissident republicans" firing on police. A journalist killed. Most "post-conflict" violence has been loyalist on loyalist, republican on republican. Is this the sign of things to come?
    Don't you think it's ironic that Farage talks while a Danish Ferry is in the background servicing the British port?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Don't you think it's ironic that Farage talks while a Danish Ferry is in the background servicing the British port?
    Good spot.

    I was so appalled by the varying clashing shades of green & brown I was busy trying not to puke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Do you have an alternative to a hard border that we're all unaware of?
    He's stated it a few times. It's basically force Ireland out of the EU and have the hard border between mainland and UK/Ireland. He is that delusional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    Well now it's on the Brits to show the EU how much they really want to stay in come next election.
    What the fuck are you blathering on about? Do you even know?

  17. #18197
    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    In your own words, this can't be that hard.
    What's this, attempt #3 to get him to use his own words?

    Sadly, he has no words of his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    He's stated it a few times. It's basically force Ireland out of the EU and have the hard border between mainland and UK/Ireland. He is that delusional.
    Hmms, yep, maybe. But I sometimes wonder if some of Mr D's provocations are entirely genuine. It might be more of a sarcastic response to my initial question. But that's all it was: a question.

    @ctd12345 - why do you think there's less potential / less appetite for this? I thought you were a Londoner... do you know NI? I'm not questioning that things have shifted since 1998 but if a hard Brexit resulted in an escalation of border security how could that not be anything else other than a massive potential cause of conflict?

    I think Mr D's point may be - don't be melodramatic. But my retort would be: well, look at what's come before. If you lot bury your heads in the sand waffling on about technological white elephants and then the worst happens... well.

    Or Kallisto maybe you're completely right! I might be overthinking this...

    Either way - gloomy stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Hmms, yep, maybe. But I sometimes wonder if some of Mr D's provocations are entirely genuine. It might be more of a sarcastic response to my initial question. But that's all it was: a question.

    @ctd12345 - why do you think there's less potential / less appetite for this? I thought you were a Londoner... do you know NI? I'm not questioning that things have shifted since 1998 but if a hard Brexit resulted in an escalation of border security how could that not be anything else other than a massive potential cause of conflict?

    I think Mr D's point may be - don't be melodramatic. But my retort would be: well, look at what's come before. If you lot bury your heads in the sand waffling on about technological white elephants and then the worst happens... well.

    Or Kallisto maybe you're completely right! I might be overthinking this...

    Either way - gloomy stuff
    Actually I was reading this remain MP's tweet about the incident just prior to reading your post and my first thought was damn remainers blaming brexiteers and brexit for it.

    https://twitter.com/GeorgeFreemanMP/...93157453918209

    Apologies, I thought you were leading this topic the same way, and I intended to get in first...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    You make it sound like the British are living a Charles Dickens fantasy. That's a ridiculous notion.
    Sorry, my reply comes a bit late, but I didn't mean it to be that dramatic. There is a big lower middle crowd, especially in rural areas (and that's still a lot of people), which is concerned about their communities, jobs, future, healthcare and pensions, and don't see these concerns addressed by "London". So they took it on Brussels instead. Partly because Bxl has been blamed for everything for so long in shitty newspapers, and partly because they feel as remote as London to those people and they had a chance to voice their opinions on it. Those are real concerns and what I meant is that overall, the norwegian political and social system is richer and more transparent, so people there are not as divided as the brits are.

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