View Poll Results: 10 days left, what'll it be?

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  • Hard Brexit (crash out)

    45 48.91%
  • No Brexit (Remain by revoking A50)

    24 26.09%
  • Withdrawal Agreement (after a new session is called)

    0 0%
  • Extension + Withdrawal Agreement

    3 3.26%
  • Extension + Crashout

    9 9.78%
  • Extension + Remain

    11 11.96%
  1. #18881
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    Other than political carnage and the UK tearing itself to pieces
    Is that even a change? :P

  2. #18882
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    So, in essence, this is now the real crunch point? First week of June?

    Much popcorn will be munched.
    per current schedule Trump will be in UK same week too, because 75th D-Day celebrations here and there in France. lot of popcorn in demand !!

  3. #18883
    Quote Originally Posted by rfafeqwqweqwqwe View Post
    /rage
    Dude ffs take a beta blocker.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47203397

    673 complaints of anti-Semitism by Labour Party members were received - a Labour spokesman said this represented about 0.1% of the membership

    96 members were immediately suspended after complaints were made and a further 211 were told they would be investigated

    Are there tiny, tiny (Corbyn's and your own admission 0.1%) elements of antisemitism in the Labour party? Yes

    Probably greater in Labour than in the Tories because of innate hostility to Israel? Yes

    Am I saying this would effect my vote? No

    Am I saying I think this is any worse than Islamophobia in the Tories? No

    Do, I give a fuck other than getting pissed off with you and Shalcker blatantly denying, denying, denying? No

  4. #18884
    Quote Originally Posted by ranzino View Post
    per current schedule Trump will be in UK same week too, because 75th D-Day celebrations here and there in France. lot of popcorn in demand !!
    I can think of no better tribute to those who fought in WWII than to grant a full state visit hosted by the Queen herself to a man who called Nazi's "very fine people". Prepare for more of this kind of boot licking post Brexit Mr D, it's what you voted for.

  5. #18885
    Quote Originally Posted by rfafeqwqweqwqwe View Post
    I am becoming very tired of this.

    Not a single anti-semitic quotation or other evidence has been produced by you people. There is simply no evidence.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45030552

    You clearly haven't looked very far, have you? That's the first Google result, btw.
    “It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.

  6. #18886
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45030552

    You clearly haven't looked very far, have you? That's the first Google result, btw.
    Burner won't acknowledge anything other than a direct quote of an anti-Semitic message that they know full well has never been released to the public. The Labour party itself admitting it has a problem with anti-Semitism isn't a high enough standard of evidence apparently.

  7. #18887
    Quote Originally Posted by rfafeqwqweqwqwe View Post
    It is impossible to deny anything when there is no actual evidence presented. You haven't presented any actual evidence and you don't seem to know what the word means.

    If you could actually produce a quote of some labour party member saying "I hate yids" or something then it would be futile and pointless to deny it.

    Btw According to one study anti-semitic attitudes among Labour party members are lower than those of conservatives. channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-antisemitism-political-parties
    Really?

    OK -

    Mohammed Shabbir, a Labour Councillor in Bradford, tweeted the conspiracy theory that Israel was behind ISIS, accused Jews of ‘playing the Holocaust card’, and said the BBC was run by a ‘hasbara media cartel’.

    Anyway:

    Quote Originally Posted by BBC
    The Labour Party has received 673 complaints in 10 months alleging acts of anti-Semitism by its members.
    A letter from the party's general secretary, Jennie Formby, revealed the figures after she was pushed by MPs for specific details.
    She said 96 members were immediately suspended from the party for their conduct between April 2018 and January 2019, and 12 were expelled.
    But in a letter, a group of MPs said there was still a lack of information.
    So, your argument is twofold:

    a) Because the Labour Party refused to release details, the fact that they suspended 96 members and expelled 12 was all for what? Shits and giggles?

    b) Antisemitism in Labour isn't a problem because there is also antisemitism in the Tories.

    I tell you what the problem is here: it's your inability to acknowledge the existence of any problem, instead deflecting valid criticism of a political party and its leadership using conspiracy theorist terms like 'smear'. I couldn't give a fuck if this was about Labour or not.

    If your argument was actually: this isn't fucking relevant? I wouldn't be here arguing with you. I'd be nodding my head in agreement.

  8. #18888
    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    Burner won't acknowledge anything other than a direct quote of an anti-Semitic message that they know full well has never been released to the public. The Labour party itself admitting it has a problem with anti-Semitism isn't a high enough standard of evidence apparently.
    I know, but it only cost me like 30s to run that Google search and compile the post. I think it was worth it to show this guy up for the lurkers. It's easy enough to expose these low effort trolls. Heck, if I had any confidence in the trash mod team on this forum I might do a report, but I don't... and here we are.
    “It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.

  9. #18889
    Quote Originally Posted by rfafeqwqweqwqwe View Post

    Er....Do you think the Labour party controls the internet or something? Why do you think this would not come out? We have multiple examples of unambiguous anti-semitic quotations and physical threats issued by far right supporters...how is it the Labour party are magically suppressing all evidence from left-wing sources?

    The Labour party's ADMISSION is that its membership contains <0.1% anti-semites which is lower than in the general population. Some ADMISSION. It is virtually a brag.
    Er....Where the fuck did you pull that from in my post? I know you get flustered when you think Corbyn-sama is under attack from the evil neo libs but chill the fuck out already, it's cute but stop trying so hard. I'm sure Corbyn senpai will notice you at your next Momentum rally.

    50 examples to of anti-Semitism in Labour
    Last edited by Kronik85; 2019-05-15 at 03:30 AM.

  10. #18890
    Quote Originally Posted by LeGin Tufnel View Post
    You're a bit behind the times, really.

    Labour has already admitted the problem and started dealing with it. All credit to them.
    They just said that anti-semitism has no place in labour. I'm pretty sure Corbyn agrees.

    He also obviously disagrees that making foreword to that book is anti-semitism by itself.

    I acknowledge there is a real problem of antisemitism that Labour is working to overcome
    Deny, deny, deny doesn't really work when the accused has actually accepted guilt?
    From that page:
    I want to share this video message about the problem of antisemitism that Labour is working to overcome — and the need to support and guarantee the security of Jewish communities.
    Antisemitic abuse has no place in our Party or movement. No one with such views acts in my name, or the name of our Party. They are not our supporters.
    I want Jewish people to feel at home in the Labour Party and be able to play their full part in our campaigning work to take our country forward.
    Driving antisemitism out of our party for good, and working with the Jewish community to rebuild trust, are vital priorities.
    Anti-racism is at the core of our movement. We must act to unite people of all communities to overcome inequality and prejudice, and build a fair country for all.


    Emphasis mine.

    Clearly, writing foreword to book isn't anti-semitic abuse. Also, no clear acknowledgement that Labour party has anti-semitism problem; only that Labour fights it.

  11. #18891
    Someone should give Shalcker his turnips, he managed to get you all derail this thread again.

  12. #18892
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Someone should give Shalcker his turnips, he managed to get you all derail this thread again.
    Nah, fuckall is happening. UK election circus is really not interesting enough to discuss it.
    “It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.

  13. #18893
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Nah, fuckall is happening. UK election circus is really not interesting enough to discuss it.
    Touché. I've stopped posting here because I find the entire process just boring at this point as well. I'm past anger and acceptance and well into boredom with Brexit now.

  14. #18894
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Touché. I've stopped posting here because I find the entire process just boring at this point as well. I'm past anger and acceptance and well into boredom with Brexit now.
    I'll give it until after the summer breaks before the pace picks up again... August with a slow increase in interest, September with some more bickering and watching the Commons will become interesting again and October will probably (hopefully) see the end of British membership.
    “It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.

  15. #18895
    Well, supposedly May is going for a 4th "meaningful vote" in the beginning of June. Not that I really think it will be different from the previous ones, but one can hope it will end this farce.

  16. #18896
    Quote Originally Posted by Gibblewink View Post
    Well, supposedly May is going for a 4th "meaningful vote" in the beginning of June. Not that I really think it will be different from the previous ones, but one can hope it will end this farce.
    It will likely be the same leave agreement again, just hoping that by then MPs will have changed their mind. Or, you know, 'voting again and again until the desired result is met', because to Brexiteers, hypocrisy is a thing that happens to other people.

  17. #18897
    Problem is likely there will be quite a few of Tory and Labour MPs that detest the idea of voting for something the other party has had a hand in so much that they'd rather see the country burn. They could just cook up the usual excuses of too much or too little alignment and "We need a better deal" nonsense and the can is safely on the roll for a little while longer....

  18. #18898
    Quote Originally Posted by Gibblewink View Post
    Problem is likely there will be quite a few of Tory and Labour MPs that detest the idea of voting for something the other party has had a hand in so much that they'd rather see the country burn. They could just cook up the usual excuses of too much or too little alignment and "We need a better deal" nonsense and the can is safely on the roll for a little while longer....
    It really is not that though. Simply put there is a majority of Remainers in Labour and third parties who will settle for nothing less than the People's Vote with Remain as an option and there is a significant number of Tory MPs who will settle for nothing less than a very soft Brexit. There is also absolutely no trust that the next Tory PM will feel bound by whatever this parliament signs with most bets being that May will not survive June. So the Remainers and those willing to compromise with a soft Brexit have no reason to believe that a WA will actually get them that because whoever succeeds May will not follow through with the agreement as has been made abundantly clear.
    At this point there seems to be even less appetite for a compromise than there was months ago. The can has been kicked down the road, the clown show that is the British EU elections is well underway and both sides will keep at Hard Brexit and People's Vote for a chance to Remain until we are closing in on October. At least this is my prediction and I very much doubt I am wrong.

  19. #18899
    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    I'll give it until after the summer breaks before the pace picks up again... August with a slow increase in interest, September with some more bickering and watching the Commons will become interesting again and October will probably (hopefully) see the end of British membership.
    Problem is september and october has all the party conferences so nothing gets done there too.

  20. #18900
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Problem is september and october has all the party conferences so nothing gets done there too.
    I begin to understand why the EU granted a 6 months extension. They look incredibly good without being under threat of the British accidentally coming up with a brilliant idea that would require the EU to move an inch...
    “It’s majoritarian, the majority wins, it’s ruled by the majority for the majority – sod the minority. Whereas true democracy includes everybody’s opinion in society,” - Margaret Georgiadou, 2019 about Brexit referendum.

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