The Brexit aftermath thread

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It doesn't matter who sets the rates it simply matters that the euro is an aggregation of all european member states and is always going to be lower than the mark was in relative terms. So your country can export when it couldn't with a standalone currency. Moreover small countries can't devalue their own currencies and make themselves an attractive proposition for foreign investment.

When it came down to it and the Greeks needed help you fucked the whole project over by making out you were doing them this big favour with your ugly stupid teutonic arrogance, and at that point people everyone in europe remembered why they don't trust you. Of course people are going to react when you start dictating their countries economic policies like nazis. You want to know why Brexit happened, try looking in the mirror.

You mean when the EU (not Germany) tried to sort out Greeces massive corruption problem and Greece thought they could big ball it and get the loan without having to change anything, even though they've had multiple loans in the past and haven't changed anything? It's almost like the EU (not Germany) is run by bureaucrats and bankers (like they're a trading bloc or something, crazy I know), who want to see the best return on investment and don't want to keep throwing good money after bad ad infinitum.

You can accept that (but it's a fact so you probably won't), or you can keep up the classic old racism toward the Germans, you do you burner.

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Brexit ferry contract worth £13.8 million ‘awarded to company with no ships’

Be suprised if it isn't the Garden Bridge people.

of course the resident burner is calling germans nazis.

'muh socialist'

[Slant]

It doesn't matter who sets the rates it simply matters that the euro is an aggregation of all european member states and is always going to be lower than the mark was in relative terms. So your country can export when it couldn't with a standalone currency. Moreover small countries can't devalue their own currencies and make themselves an attractive proposition for foreign investment.

When it came down to it and the Greeks needed help you fucked the whole project over by making out you were doing them this big favour with your ugly stupid teutonic arrogance, and at that point people everyone in europe remembered why they don't trust you. Of course people are going to react when you start dictating their countries economic policies like nazis. You want to know why Brexit happened, try looking in the mirror.

What's with the feeble insults, isn't it public knowledge by now that I don't care? Seriously, you can insult us only for so long before we get used to the abuse. As for trust... it's always a one way street with you guys, isn't it? Greece can't trust us evil nazis, but we're supposed to shove hundreds of billions down their throat and... trust that they'll figure out how to repay us later? After they trainwrecked their own economy and lied about it?

I mean, it's not the first time I've seen people literally ask for Germany to be everyone elses slavestate so they can have a party while we labor away for them... but this is ridiculously lopsided, even for German-Haters.

The irony is that Germany was the moderate voice in that debate. A fact people forget. We endorsed conditions, yes. But we defended Greece against other voices in the Union that openly supported letting them crash and burn. A fact that is easily overlooked on the typical German-Hater blogshitpages. This is, btw, why other countries seem to trust us. We do put our money where our mouth is once we commit. And we don't just abandon others because it becomes inconvenient. And if something's going in a way we don't like, we just don't ragequit the game, we talk to the others and find consensus. Or at least a compromise everyone can live with. Most countries seem to appreciate us doing this for 80 years. It's sad that you cannot see past your hatred to realise that. But keep doing what you do, we'll keep doing what we do. Despite your hate.

[Kallisto]

When it came down to it and the Greeks needed help you fucked the whole project over by making out you were doing them this big favour with your ugly stupid teutonic arrogance, and at that point people everyone in europe remembered why they don't trust you. Of course people are going to react when you start dictating their countries economic policies like nazis. You want to know why Brexit happened, try looking in the mirror.

The Greeks were offered help, they refused. You're basically acting like a Doctor didn't help when they told a patient to get better they need to take a medicine that short term makes them feel worse. They stomped their feet, cried, blamed everyone but themselves (well some did, many didn't). If Greece took the pill the day it was announced the country would be in a position better than it has ever been.

Other things should have been done at home, like Greek government having the balls to demand repayments from Greeks who hid their money in Switzerland. Or Greeks who were paying tax well below what they should be (In Athens there are taxes on pools. Only 100 or so houses were paying it, but flying over you can see whole neighbourhoods with homes that have pools in.).

The fact is with Greece it's a simple situation. You don't let certain parts of society get away with not paying taxes while at the same time spend like you have the same amount of money as a country where 100% of tax owed is coming in. Throwing money at it and looking the other way at best is kicking the can down the road. If anything Greece got off lightly, things could have been worse. Like no help at all and it becomes the Zimbabwe of europe. But no one wanted that.

Here's what the EU wants. 27 Rich, states with a healthy populace to keep finances flowing well between all parts of society. Want to know why, if society is well off it keeps people happy, happy people don't go out and riot or protest, they get on with their lives, pay their taxes, spend their money and people get rich. Also if EU is getting richer and more one voice it gets to look at US, China, India and say "Oh that trade block over there you want, we got it now and have the best deals." like it has with Japan, going to get with South America, and has deals with other parts of the world. It really doesn't want parts where money and people are failing because it keeps it held back.

[Fuiking]

What's with the feeble insults, isn't it public knowledge by now that I don't care? Seriously, you can insult us only for so long before we get used to the abuse. As for trust... it's always a one way street with you guys, isn't it? Greece can't trust us evil nazis, but we're supposed to shove hundreds of billions down their throat and... trust that they'll figure out how to repay us later? After they trainwrecked their own economy and lied about it?

I mean, it's not the first time I've seen people literally ask for Germany to be everyone elses slavestate so they can have a party while we labor away for them... but this is ridiculously lopsided, even for German-Haters.

The irony is that Germany was the moderate voice in that debate. A fact people forget. We endorsed conditions, yes. But we defended Greece against other voices in the Union that openly supported letting them crash and burn. A fact that is easily overlooked on the typical German-Hater blogshitpages. This is, btw, why other countries seem to trust us. We do put our money where our mouth is once we commit. And we don't just abandon others because it becomes inconvenient. And if something's going in a way we don't like, we just don't ragequit the game, we talk to the others and find consensus. Or at least a compromise everyone can live with. Most countries seem to appreciate us doing this for 80 years. It's sad that you cannot see past your hatred to realise that. But keep doing what you do, we'll keep doing what we do. Despite your hate.

They probaly got confused with the Netherlands... people tend to say its Germany... And we all know who the hardliners for finances are. The Netherlands yes.

[Mayhem]

It doesn't matter who sets the rates it simply matters that the euro is an aggregation of all european member states and is always going to be lower than the mark was in relative terms. So your country can export when it couldn't with a standalone currency. Moreover small countries can't devalue their own currencies and make themselves an attractive proposition for foreign investment.

For someone who trash talks about "supposed liberals and left-wingers" supporting currency devaluation is beyond idiotic.

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so is this dodgy brexit ferry company owned by the Bamfords?

Even the migrants who pay 5 grand a pop know there is atleast a boat first.

[Slant]

Honestly the hatred for Germany from Greece was completely blown apart by the media and was mostly a small number of loudmouth reporters trying to make sales. Now the comedians did have fun and the issue of reparations was raised often (the latter mostly because past governments absolutely fucked up when they signed away any rights for them; while further state reparations could be ignored something should have damn happened for the occupational loans . . .) but that's it. People did not boycott German products or companies and noone said anything to the scores of tourists.
Meanwhile I know from Greek migrants that they have faced regretable treatment in most of Northern Europe apart from the UK.

My friends also didn't avoid Greece as a vacation destination. Quite the opposite, Crete is having a bit of a renaissance these days.

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For someone who trash talks about "supposed liberals and left-wingers" supporting currency devaluation is beyond idiotic.

Yeah I was thinking this as well, I don't claim to have a great grasp of economics, but even someone with a rudimentary understanding knows that just printing money because people don't pay taxes is never a good idea.

[thulgale]

The Greeks were offered help, they refused. You're basically acting like a Doctor didn't help when they told a patient to get better they need to take a medicine that short term makes them feel worse. They stomped their feet, cried, blamed everyone but themselves (well some did, many didn't). If Greece took the pill the day it was announced the country would be in a position better than it has ever been.

Other things should have been done at home, like Greek government having the balls to demand repayments from Greeks who hid their money in Switzerland. Or Greeks who were paying tax well below what they should be (In Athens there are taxes on pools. Only 100 or so houses were paying it, but flying over you can see whole neighbourhoods with homes that have pools in.).

The fact is with Greece it's a simple situation. You don't let certain parts of society get away with not paying taxes while at the same time spend like you have the same amount of money as a country where 100% of tax owed is coming in. Throwing money at it and looking the other way at best is kicking the can down the road. If anything Greece got off lightly, things could have been worse. Like no help at all and it becomes the Zimbabwe of europe. But no one wanted that.

Here's what the EU wants. 27 Rich, states with a healthy populace to keep finances flowing well between all parts of society. Want to know why, if society is well off it keeps people happy, happy people don't go out and riot or protest, they get on with their lives, pay their taxes, spend their money and people get rich. Also if EU is getting richer and more one voice it gets to look at US, China, India and say "Oh that trade block over there you want, we got it now and have the best deals." like it has with Japan, going to get with South America, and has deals with other parts of the world. It really doesn't want parts where money and people are failing because it keeps it held back.

This is why I had to think twice about voting remain. A lot of the pro-eu sycophants are like this guy: the sort people who blame the homeless or the poor for their lot. You know, the type of cunt who deserts his friends if they experience some misinformation Really nasty little vermin. Supposedly liberal they lapse into far right rhetoric very quickly if someone threatens to take away their latte.

Ironically, if society were actually meritocratic any one this stupid would have starved to death long ago.

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Yeah I was thinking this as well, I don't claim to have a great grasp of economics

No you shouldn't.

[Mayhem]

Yeah I was thinking this as well, I don't claim to have a great grasp of economics, but even someone with a rudimentary understanding knows that just printing money because people don't pay taxes is never a good idea.

He probably hasn't the ability to explain it with less than 4000 words so he'll refrain from doing so and just calls us or anyone stupid. You know, because he's mature and intellectually above everyone else in this thread.

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No you shouldn't.

Exhibit a)

[thulgale]

The irony is that Germany was the moderate voice in that debate. A fact people forget. We endorsed conditions, yes. But we defended Greece against other voices in the Union that openly supported letting them crash and burn.

The level of dishonesty here is vomit-inducing. The Greeks could have left the EU and gone back to the Drachma. Then overnight tourists would have flooded into their beaches knowing their money would stretch farther than anywhere else in europe and foreign investors would have ploughed cash into their economy. It was they, not you, that took the high road. That would have benefited Greece but likely destroyed the euro.

It is your country that would have been hurt by the end of the euro, your exports would dry up if you had to go back to the Mark.

[Mayhem]

The level of dishonesty here is vomit-inducing. The Greeks could have left the EU and gone back to the Drachma. Then overnight tourists would have flooded into their beaches knowing their money would stretch farther than anywhere else in europe and foreign investors would have ploughed cash into their economy. It was they, not you, that took the high road. That would have benefited Greece but likely destroyed the euro.

It is your country that would have been hurt by the end of the euro, your exports would dry up if you had to go back to the Mark.

Because of course, if Germany had to go back to the Mark, they could not for reasons also devalue their currency to keep exporting, right?

[thulgale]

Most countries seem to appreciate us doing this for 80 years. It's sad that you cannot see past your hatred to realise that. But keep doing what you do, we'll keep doing what we do. Despite your hate.

80 years ago your nation attempted to kill everyone in europe, for the second time. For some reason I never fully understood you people somehow gained re-admittance to the human race, you didn't deserve it then and you don't now.

[ranzino]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...head-of-brexit

they know what's good for them; say hello to your irish grandma too and embrace Poblacht na hÉireann

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so is this dodgy brexit ferry company owned by the Bamfords?

Even the migrants who pay 5 grand a pop know there is atleast a boat first.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-end-of-march

so far: yes, they have to charter "their" ferries first. but why is government not hiring those with the ferries instead of a man-in-the-middle ?

[thulgale]

Because of course, if Germany had to go back to the Mark, they could not for reasons also devalue their currency to keep exporting, right?

*Sigh* (through clenched teeth and with great restraint).

Have you considered it would be better to educate yourself by googling the subject for ten minutes before commenting further?

[Slant]

The level of dishonesty here is vomit-inducing. The Greeks could have left the EU and gone back to the Drachma. Then overnight tourists would have flooded into their beaches knowing their money would stretch farther than anywhere else in europe and foreign investors would have ploughed cash into their economy. It was they, not you, that took the high road. That would have benefited Greece but likely destroyed the euro.

It is your country that would have been hurt by the end of the euro, your exports would dry up if you had to go back to the Mark.

You have no idea what you're talking about. We would've loved to stay with the DM. Control our own currency? Yeah, the Greeks are not the only ones that can heat up exports like that. Except, we have the economy to back it up. See, the reason we're rich is not the currency, it's because people love our work. This isn't arrogance, it's fact. I can play this game with almost any country in Europe, tell me how many German products you have in the kitchen and I'll tell you how many products of country X I have in my entire household. Want to take a guess who loses that game?

Talk about dishonesty... rofl.

[Medusa Cascade]

How bereft of life must one be to keep making accounts on a forum just to post in one thread? You were banned so move on.

[Slant]

80 years ago your nation attempted to kill everyone in europe, for the second time. For some reason I never fully understood you people somehow gained re-admittance to the human race, you didn't deserve it then and you don't now.

Lol, okay... got more hate coming? Let it all out, man. Don't pace yourself. :P

[Mayhem]

*Sigh* (through clenched teeth and with great restraint).

Have you considered it would be better to educate yourself by googling the subject for ten minutes before commenting further?

You go first. Please, explain how devaluing the currency would've helped Greece. And since you're apparently from the left, what impact would it have had on the poor?

If you think low currency is enough to reign in investors then I have a beautiful beach property to sell to you in Sierra Leone.