The Brexit aftermath thread

[omeomorfismo]

lol, funny how just 1 century ago the uk was one of the biggest empire in humanity history, and now its risking to return to medieval extension xD

[Forogil]

Or door number 3, finally reuniting Ireland and ending english occupation of Ireland. I'm sure the descendants of the colonists living in NI, are welcome back to England if they prefere

Or door number 4 - England re-joining the EU-customs union.

[Crispin]

As expected

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...t-protocol-dup

Dublin and EU reject call to scrap Northern Ireland Brexit protocol
Ireland’s foreign minister dismisses request by DUP in escalating row over trade barriers in Irish Sea

How much time did the UK have to prepare again?

[Huehuecoyotl]

More good news about Brexit!

British fashion industry facing decimation because of Brexit deal.

Oops. Maybe that isn't good news after all. My mistake. Looks like the dribbles/sircaw thing is catching!

[Demolitia]

More good news about Brexit!

British fashion industry facing decimation because of Brexit deal.

Oops. Maybe that isn't good news after all. My mistake. Looks like the dribbles/sircaw thing is catching!

Stop being such a meanie to them! Why do you hate them?
Shame on you!
/s

[Thrundi]

"Boris Johnson and Gove have capitalised on the EU’s embarrassment over the move and threatened to trigger article 16 themselves in parliament and in a letter to Šefčovič on Tuesday."

Wah, wah, bad EU article 16 wah, wah.

No, nothing now ?

Oh if you want a covid-not-brexit related positive about the UK : there's outrage in western france because a local company was snobbed by the french government, while the UK one believed in their potential, and now the UK will get the first 100 million vaccine doses. The guy was a french biotech rockstar 15 years ago while I was a student. How he was ignored by his own country, considering all he does with other vaccines is beyond me.

Congrats UK on this one. Even if it may be sheer luck and/or desperation to buy vaccines because your covid response up to then sucked hard.

Still nothing to do with brexit, though

[Demolitia]

"Boris Johnson and Gove have capitalised on the EU’s embarrassment over the move and threatened to trigger article 16 themselves in parliament and in a letter to Šefčovič on Tuesday."

Wah, wah, bad EU article 16 wah, wah.

No, nothing now ?

Oh if you want a covid-not-brexit related positive about the UK : there's outrage in western france because a local company was snobbed by the french government, while the UK one believed in their potential, and now the UK will get the first 100 million vaccine doses. The guy was a french biotech rockstar 15 years ago while I was a student. How he was ignored by his own country, considering all he does with other vaccines is beyond me.

Congrats UK on this one. Even if it may be sheer luck and/or desperation to buy vaccines because your covid response up to then sucked hard.

Still nothing to do with brexit, though

There's an interesting thread on this article 16 thing (both on why the EU messed up and why Boris' threat yesterday)
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...866426369.html

[Huehuecoyotl]

71 pgaes of paperwork for one lorry of fish.

I'm still looking for positive news about Brexit. Honest I am. But instead I keep stumbling on stories like this that show how shit it is.

Please come back dribbles and sircaw! Please regale us with tales of the wonderous improvements that Brexit has brought us!

[jonnysensible]

71 pgaes of paperwork for one lorry of fish.

I'm still looking for positive news about Brexit. Honest I am. But instead I keep stumbling on stories like this that show how shit it is.

Please come back dribbles and sircaw! Please regale us with tales of the wonderous improvements that Brexit has brought us!

cadburys and a coal mine m8

[Forogil]

What are you refering to here, could you please post a link? I must have missed something.

The world seemed to have missed it totally, but I guess it is this one: https://www.devdiscourse.com/article...accine-valneva - and it is currently in Phase 1/2 trial; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valneva_SE

It will not be available before the end of the year (if successful), unless the uk government just launches untested vaccines.

Looking at https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...e-tracker.html we also have from France:
Merck&Institute Pasteur: Abandonded.
Sanofi & GSK: Phase 2 and redesign
Sanofi & Translate Bio: Preclinical

From EU we also have some vaccines from Germany at various levels (including the Pfizer/BioNTech), and J&J vaccine is developed by Janssen in Belgium.

For France it is maybe more significant that the CEO of Moderna is Stéphane Bancel, which is the sign that the US (not the uk) is picking up rising stars. I understand there has been some concern about that, but I don't see how the uk will be able to compete with the US for top-CEOs.

[Forogil]

OK that's interesting. Considering the development of the producing capacity compared to the promised and ordered volumes, this move likely makes a lot of sense and indeed makes the EU seem even more incompetent in securing the needed number of vaccines.

Except that in terms of timing and technology it doesn't make much sense.

It more seems that the uk bet a lot on this horse a few months ago, https://www.pharmaceutical-technolog...nment-covid19/ (from August last year), and is now doubling down on the bet. BoJo visited the new plant recently.

EU is also negotiating with them https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-...d-vaccine.html - but don't expect the EU to rubberstamp the vaccine.

[Rockyreg]

All that episode told me is just how precarious the situation of the UK is. The EU is being nice, because of Ireland. Be thankful. If this had been Russia, those vaccines wouldn't have left the EU.

Yes thats right, they were so concerned about Ireland they accidently put a border in Ireland without even informing them.

Talking of Russia:

https://www.politico.eu/article/russ...ough-leverage/

EU really are just knocking it out the park at the minute!

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...cines-12209321

Good of Ursula to provide backing to Brexit though.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...cines-12209321

[Forogil]

Why are we still talking about vaccine shit here? There is a thread specifically for this stuff.

There are two parts of the vaccine shit that is relevant for brexit.

One is that the uk is selling covid-19 vaccination as a brexit-benefit. (Remember to ignore the deaths in the uk; it's clearly the number of vaccinated that is the best measure! And don't require data showing that the vaccine works - that's just nation-bashing.)
The other is that the uk is trying to use the vaccine-problem to paint the EU as the bad guy so that the uk can break the brexit-deal (since BoJo's solution for N. Ireland is as expected failing.)

Other things don't belong here.

[Crispin]

Yes thats right, they were so concerned about Ireland they accidently put a border in Ireland without even informing them.

Talking of Russia:

https://www.politico.eu/article/russ...ough-leverage/

EU really are just knocking it out the park at the minute!

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...cines-12209321

Good of Ursula to provide backing to Brexit though.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...cines-12209321

Is she wrong tho? How on earth would a 400million+ Union with 27 sovereign countries be faster in it’s decision making and distribution, than the UK?

Also buying the Russian vaccine, does not give them leverage on the EU. I guess brits are salty because it turned out that it’s more effective than the oxford developed one. Ask yourself if the situation with AZ gave the UK any leverage on the EU. We’d tell you to piss off aswell.

It’s cute how it’s a brexit benefit tho, vaccinations. Does that also count for the shitty handling of the pandemic in the UK, and now the UK virus, which we have the joy of dealing with instead?

But thanks for sending jobs to the EU! Much appreciated, and we’ll still enjoy them when the corona crisis is over.

[Voidwielder]

Europe’s economy hasn’t grown for over a decade and it is a technological and military backwater with utterly fucked demographic aging. And the EU combines the worst aspects of centralization and decentralization.... Not sure why anyone is bullish on the EU.

[Veggie50]

Europe’s economy hasn’t grown for over a decade and it is a technological and military backwater with utterly fucked demographic aging. And the EU combines the worst aspects of centralization and decentralization.... Not sure why anyone is bullish on the EU.

Eh... no.

The EU economy has consistently shown around 3% growth. We do have a small problem with baby boomers, but we’ll get over that hill soon enough at which point all is peachy.

Combining worst aspects of centralization and decentralization is both subjective and disengenuous, and most definitely calls for examples. Could the EU be less bureaucratic and move faster? Yes, but only at the expense of national sovereignty.

Also I have no idea what you mean by “bullish”. The EU are not being bullies, the current trouble the UK is in is stuff the EU has warned about since the very beginning, and the UK government has ignored. In fact, would the EU follow the rules to the letter, it would be far worse. The EU is cutting the UK slack.

[Forogil]

Also I have no idea what you mean by “bullish”. The EU are not being bullies, the current trouble the UK is in is stuff the EU has warned about since the very beginning, and the UK government has ignored. In fact, would the EU follow the rules to the letter, it would be far worse. The EU is cutting the UK slack.

They meant bullish in this sense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_(...et_speculator)
And I wouldn't say people are bullish on the EU, just bearish on the uk.

And you are correct the EU as a whole has growth fairly consistently (except it fell in 2009 as everyone else) - and so has major EU countries (added outside countries for comparison) https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...-JP&start=1988

Many new EU members have also grow, but Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain have stagnated after 2009.

[Veggie50]

They meant bullish in this sense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bull_(...et_speculator)
And I wouldn't say people are bullish on the EU, just bearish on the uk.

And you are correct the EU as a whole has growth fairly consistently (except it fell in 2009 as everyone else) - and so has major EU countries (added outside countries for comparison) https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...-JP&start=1988

Many new EU members have also grow, but Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain have stagnated after 2009.

I would argue it’s highly probable that had those southern European states not been in the EU, their growth would not have stagnated, but declined ^^

Greece hasn’t stagnated though. They’re actually undergoing quite a bit of growth, after their “forced” reforms.

And to end it all, the EU is not “bearish” against the UK. The UK is mauling itself and blaming EU.

[Dhrizzle]

Are we all ignoring the fact the UK made its vaccine strategy during the transition phase and followed EU rules while doing so?

[Twdft]

71 pgaes of paperwork for one lorry of fish.

I'm still looking for positive news about Brexit. Honest I am. But instead I keep stumbling on stories like this that show how shit it is.

Please come back dribbles and sircaw! Please regale us with tales of the wonderous improvements that Brexit has brought us!

Seems like great job opportunities for data input workers are well ahead:

That involves manually entering on a government website 149 different lines of data that was not previously required, such as the name of the vessel that caught the fish and the type of species being exported. The certificate for this shipment is 27 pages long.

Make a name for yourself as The Fastest Hand in Kent typing all those boring forms and you'll raking in the cash. While being bored to death.