The Brexit aftermath thread

[Masark]

Oh... really. Thanks for clearing that up, people left me hanging here for over a day. That sounds rather unreasonable, I understand the rioting now. What on earth did Thatcher think?

The usual Tory strategy. Shift tax burden from their wealthy supporters (who as owners of high-value property, would benefit from a shift from a property value tax to a poll tax) onto the poor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax_(Great_Britain)

[Fuiking]

[QUOTE=Noradin;49827894][QUOTE=dribbles;49827202]Highly questionable sources? In other circumstances very very rarely, but in this case those maps/facts came from the horses mouth itself, so to speak.

You are claiming to be a talkin', writin' horse now?
Do you have no shame?

Its Dribbles... so properly not.

I like how Dribbles claims he wants to leave the EU because they're rascists, when he whines about eastern europeans taking the jobs most brits dont want/care about. Personally I have better experiences with Eastern Europeans then muslims or blacks.

And Dribbles, I love how you pick the one country in the EU who historically has no likes for foreigners, and how your whining its a recent thing..

[Mayhem]

And Dribbles, I love how you pick the one country in the EU who historically has no likes for foreigners, and how your whining its a recent thing..

Incidentally, also the country that is third in refugees per capita in the EU. So, sure, we have problems with racism in Austria, no doubt, but we also have a good amount of people who are willing to help.

[dribbles]

You are claiming to be a talkin', writin' horse now?
Do you have no shame?

Neigh...

Its Dribbles... so properly not.

I like how Dribbles claims he wants to leave the EU because they're rascists, when he whines about eastern europeans taking the jobs most brits dont want/care about. Personally I have better experiences with Eastern Europeans then muslims or blacks.

And Dribbles, I love how you pick the one country in the EU who historically has no likes for foreigners, and how your whining its a recent thing..

Once again, as EU sourced figures prove, no one can say the UK is a racist nation when directly compared to the EU as a whole. The very fact we have made welcome more than 3 million EU refugees shows that too. I doubt anyone else in the EU has provided more humanitarian aid, shelter and work to those lost souls of the EU.

Brexit will ensure that we can remain at the cutting edge of what a free thinking, liberal and tolerant society should be.

[Mayhem]

Once again, as EU sourced figures prove, no one can say the UK is a racist nation when directly compared to the EU as a whole. The very fact we have made welcome more than 3 million EU refugees shows that too. I doubt anyone else in the EU has provided more humanitarian aid, shelter and work to those lost souls of the EU.

Brexit will ensure that we can remain at the cutting edge of what a free thinking, liberal and tolerant society should be.

You doubt that?

Just about 4% of your population are from other EU countries. In comparison, in Austria that number is 8%, in Germany it's 7%. Do you want to compare actual refugees next?

[Gibblewink]

Excuse me, but wasn't the original question whether Vote Leave campaigned on xenophobia and not whether the UK as a whole is a racist nation?

[Mayhem]

Excuse me, but wasn't the original question whether Vote Leave campaigned on xenophobia and not whether the UK as a whole is a racist nation?

Of course, but dribbles didn't want to discuss reality, so we took a turn into opposite world.

[Noradin]

Excuse me, but wasn't the original question whether Vote Leave campaigned on xenophobia and not whether the UK as a whole is a racist nation?

Please note that Dribbles is the one calling whole nations "racist", not the rest of us.
We are just taking pot shots at his strawman factory.

[Slant]

Interesting article on Sky... https://news.sky.com/story/public-op...veals-11453220



So, considering that slightly above 50% is enough to throw the country into turmoil, would 50%-40% be enough to change the Government's mind about a second referendum to the final conditions?

[Floopa]

Interesting article on Sky... https://news.sky.com/story/public-op...veals-11453220



So, considering that slightly above 50% is enough to throw the country into turmoil, would 50%-40% be enough to change the Government's mind about a second referendum to the final conditions?

no. it would never happen.

>theresa may puts forward 2nd referendum bill in parliament
>ERG instantly trigger vote of no confidence
>government falls
> GE
- 6 weeks later
> negotiations are already over.

[Kallisto]

Interesting article on Sky... https://news.sky.com/story/public-op...veals-11453220



So, considering that slightly above 50% is enough to throw the country into turmoil, would 50%-40% be enough to change the Government's mind about a second referendum to the final conditions?

Also considering Sky is still owned by Murdoch for now that this most likely has a 1-2% slant towards Brexit.

[Gibblewink]

I could never bring myself to criticize anyone for taking potshots at Mr Dribbles. I was more trying to rein in his attempts at deflection.

Regarding a potential second referendum I don't believe the Brexiteer Tories would ever agree to it (providing they had a choice) as that would constitute betraying the original vote to their suppporters and incidentally admitting their ludicrous campaign promises were bullcrap and not preludes to a glorious future.

[Slant]

I could never bring myself to criticize anyone for taking potshots at Mr Dribbles. I was more trying to rein in his attempts at deflection.

Regarding a potential second referendum I don't believe the Brexiteer Tories would ever agree to it (providing they had a choice) as that would constitute betraying the original vote to their suppporters and incidentally admitting their ludicrous campaign promises were bullcrap and not preludes to a glorious future.

But is it Tories vs. Labour at this stage? Isn't it more that both parties are divided on the subject themselves?

[Kallisto]

But is it Tories vs. Labour at this stage? Isn't it more that both parties are divided on the subject themselves?

Labour seems to be more unified when it comes to votes in parliament outside the same 4-5 that seems to openly vote in favour of tory brexit plans time after time (And are the only reason May is still in power)

[Vankrys]

no. it would never happen.

>theresa may puts forward 2nd referendum bill in parliament
>ERG instantly trigger vote of no confidence
>government falls
> GE
- 6 weeks later
> negotiations are already over.

perhaps the UK need a referendum about whether a second brexit referendum should be deployed.

[Slant]

Labour seems to be more unified when it comes to votes in parliament outside the same 4-5 that seems to openly vote in favour of tory brexit plans time after time (And are the only reason May is still in power)

Ah, ok, less divisive than I thought.

[Gibblewink]

Apart from their stance on Brexit being somewhat softer Labour likely also have the added excuse of the whole deal being (mis)managed by the Tories so far: "Sorry chaps we wanted a nice Brexit (like the Tories Brexit except nicer), but sadly they've fucked it up beyond repair and now we have to call it off or go for some form of BINO".
The Tories on the other hand have sold the voters a specific version of Brexit and told them that that would be marvelous and full of unicorns and butterflies, so they'd have some serious explaining to do if they backed down. They also appear to be allergic to admitting errors in judgement - the EU caving in immediately in the face of loss of revenue being a nice example.

[Kronik85]

But is it Tories vs. Labour at this stage? Isn't it more that both parties are divided on the subject themselves?

They'd have the same problem but in reverse. With the Tories it's a Remainer leadership beholden to a large group of Brexiteers and with Labour it would be a Brexiteer leadership beholden to a large group of Remainers.

We'd still be fucked although at least we could ask for a new start and an extension without these ridiculous Red Lines that force us into needing some kind of quantum Brexit. I don't think Labour to take this shit on though, it's 2018 so party before country.

[Kallisto]

But is it Tories vs. Labour at this stage? Isn't it more that both parties are divided on the subject themselves?

Corbyn almost certainly though voted to leave. Though it seems over the past two years he's come to the conclusion that leaving is more trouble than remaining is and swapped sides with his "If I were to vote today it would surely be for remain." Speech. Labour has pretty much settled on the Norway position outside the said 4-5 that kept May in power.

[Fuiking]

Corbyn almost certainly though voted to leave. Though it seems over the past two years he's come to the conclusion that leaving is more trouble than remaining is and swapped sides with his "If I were to vote today it would surely be for remain." Speech. Labour has pretty much settled on the Norway position outside the said 4-5 that kept May in power.

And I fear you will not get the Norway position.