Well the thing is while N.Ireland remains part of the UK, or RoI remains part of the EU the UK can not actually really leave the customs union since that would raise a hard border somewhere.
Republic isn't going to accept one between them and the EU. Both republic and Northern irish groups are going to accept one on the island. While Northern Ireland are never going to accept one between the Island or Ireland and Great Britain.
So essentially there are three options for May and her cronies. A) Rip up Good Friday, become the prime minister that essentially reignited the troubles. B) Soft Brexit where the UK is basically in the EU in all but name but has no sway to change the EU. This will piss off Farage and his fanatics C) Stop the madness, revoke article 50, and if necessary (because this part is up in the air) convince the rest of EU to allow UK to stay. This will piss off Farage and his fanatics.3
Option C right now actually has support of the people as day by day. More and more people are coming out in support of remain. Less for leave.
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Tony Blair urges Labour to challenge the farce head-on. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...iden-of-brexit
british MEP's are also on the fence. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...0-british-meps
and it may be Theresa's downfall, but it also saves Britain. perhaps she volunteers for the good cause ? in a decade nobody will bat an eye about because everybody is glad she found a solution to stop the fiasco.
The funny thing is, even if Article 50 somehow gets repealed, I strongly believe the UK will be in a far worse situation than we were pre referendum, not only from an international reputation standpoint, but because I can't see the EU allowing any of our special exemptions to remain if we decide to Remain.
If article 50 gets repealed, the past year and a half would have been a waste of time of gigantic proportion. Not to mention, a massive embarrassment for the UK that leads to a lack of trust with the UK from everyone. The UK would have proven to be volatile and somewhat selfish.
While i regret to see the UK leaving the EU, i do believe the best course of action now is to continue with brexit. Going back on brexit right now would not only be ridicule, it would be extremely dangerous as the people of UK would have lost any trust in their government. That's how revolutions get started.
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Tories will never call it off. UKIP that they are scared of is actually a splinter party that broke off from the Conservatives because of Maastricht. Tories know that if they call off the leave then even if there is just 10% hardcore leavers left in the UK population that's enough with FPTP to see their vote split all over the country to the point Labour just walks in as UKIP voters are just extreme Tory voters.
Labour would likely go with the softest of Brexits. Basically turn around and say "You voted to leave, we're out and we still have the common market like the majority of you lot seemed to want in the polls.". This will likely piss off a few Labour voters but they're likely just going to stay home. UKIP isn't their type, the other left of centre parties are even more pro EU and conservatives are unlikely to gain their votes either. Of course that would need another General Election which is not going to happen.
If by some rare occurance there is another election at some point and somehow something even rarer happens that the Lib Dems take a majority. That would be undeniable that the UK populace had voted against Brexit since Lib Dems are the largest UK wide party that is fully anti Brexit (SNP is larger in Westminster but Scotland only).
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That's not reasonable to the people of Northern Ireland. And to those who will be killed because such an act will reignite the troubles. Nothing short of Status Quo between the two major islands in terms of borders is going to keep the peace here.
I think Scotland would be more worried about reigniting the troubles than any sense of special treatment. Due to the large amount of Irish migration during the 19th century, along with Scotland's role in Northern Ireland, our own catholic/protestant disputes etc... we're particularly sensitive to the "Irish Question". Any uptick in sectarianism in Ireland wouldn't be pretty for Scotland.
It's honestly insane to me that any political party would sit back and prevaricate over a clearly deeply divisive issue. Take a fucking stand. If the other party is promising to go through with Brexit, say you'll stop it. Then let the people have an actual choice at the next election.
At the moment the choice is "how much will the EU spit on its cock before giving the UK a no-lube ass pounding".
The problem is that Nymrohd's solution is deliverable - the brexiteers fantasies aren't, and with no border on Ireland, and no border in the Irish sea, there can't be any brexit.
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because if labour had done the 'good' thing and opposed brexit, it's likely that the Tories would have had their majority (not a large one, but one) - This wouldn't have altered the basic position in any way anyway, but labour would now be weaker.
Because the core problem is that the brexiteers are still refusing to accept the necessary implications of the Irish problem.
Yes, but this effectively makes Brexit impossible, doesn't matter if all the bad things the brexiteers say are true, it still wouldn't be possible.
Of course, they pretend this problem is solvable if only the mean EU would relent, and entertain their fantasies about a border that exists somewhere, but not on Ireland, or in the Irish sea - Maybe the lothian line could work as a border?