The Brexit aftermath thread

[Demolitia]

That is true only for some agreements.

The impact will depend on the type of agreement, and the manner in which the withdrawal is conducted.
Doing it in a planned and orderly and diplomatic way that will control the impact will certainly limit the consequences.
But if you do it Trump's way, and announce on twitter that you're leaving the Paris Climate accord, or an FTA, that leads to a real loss of credibility and soft power.
Add to this calls to the Taiwan president, or plans to move the US embassies to Jerusalem, and one man single-handedly affects decades of international policies.
Same goes with Brexit. Obviously after the referendum your partners can prepare for what's coming next, but if you're not doing your homework and being constructive and proactive in defining what comes next your partners will eventually lose patience.

States are not people, and the agreements they enter into can't be left in a rushed and messy way. There is a reason changes are done in small, calculated steps. Your partners have stuff to deal with at home first, and don't take erratic, unilateral behaviour on the international stage kindly or patiently for very long.
You can legally do it, but you will also piss your partners off, lose their respect, some of your influence and your credibility when you sit at the table to negotiate the next agreement.

And that takes years, possibly decades to restore.

[Floopa]

corbyn making his move. today corbyn announced that labour support a/the customs union, step 1 to a labour landslide majority.

[Huehuecoyotl]

corbyn making his move. today corbyn announced that labour support a/the customs union, step 1 to a labour landslide majority.

I have to say, I think Corbyn and Labour are playing this perfectly. Do nothing to get in the way of the process, so they can't be blamed for causing issues with it. Leave the Tories to it, and wait for the clear divisions in their party to fracture them completely. Then step in with a common sense approach to Brexit (i.e. the softest version possible) that will be a vote winner and will leave a significant number on the Tory side with two choices; support the Labour position and possibly cause another election, or back their hard-brexit colleagues and be hypocrites.

Fingers crossed this breaks the Tories to such an extent that they won't get back in power in my lifetime. Even with all of the MSM in the pockets of their rich donors.

[Noradin]

In the UK it is true for all agreements. The foundation of democracy from the mother of parliaments is that no current parliament can bind the hand of the next. Do you really think a Jacob Rees-Mogg led one will follow the policies of Theresa the appeaser?

http://sports.coral.co.uk/politics/u...r-6126818.html

Time for celebratory drinks me thinks as he pulls into the lead!

It isn't. For example: You cannot go back on your agreement with your former American colonies and get them back that way.
Yes, legally your parliament is free to declare the moon be made of cheese, but that won't have any effect either.

[Mayhem]

corbyn making his move. today corbyn announced that labour support a/the customs union, step 1 to a labour landslide majority.

Wait what? You're in favour for staying in the customs union now?

[Demolitia]

Wait what? You're in favour for staying in the customs union now?

Wasn't it the point of moving to France/Italy (or wherever it is this week)?

[Mayhem]

Wasn't it the point of moving to France/Italy (or wherever it is this week)?

Na the brexiteers should've been knighted and he's moving to italy for 15-20 years and will return when the civil and social unrest has settled down. But i think i remember him saying that corbyn was backing hard brexit from the start and that is awesome because socialism!

[Noradin]

Well it will have an effect. We will all laugh at their parliament.

Oh wait, we already ARE doing that!

See: No effect

[Mayhem]

See: No effect

We will laugh harder?

[Floopa]

If you pay attention to Floopa's stance, for them this is a gambit to get rid of the Tories and also to get rid of certain common sense protections offered to companies so comrade Corbyn can buy back privatized services below market value so that the UK can usher in a new age of socialist enlightenment. It's a bold approach

exactly this

Brexit was a once in a life time opportunity for a red wave to wash over Britain, a typically conservative country nation.

[Noradin]

We will laugh harder?

Unlikely, there is a limit to how hard you can laugh before passing out.

[Demolitia]

exactly this

Brexit was a once in a life time opportunity for a red wave to wash over Britain, a typically conservative country nation.

Britain: Fractured but whole™

[Noradin]

Britain: Fractured but whole™

The Divided Kingdom of England and Wales.

[Demolitia]

The Divided Kingdom of England and Wales.

Maybe they could each have kings and queens again, and dust off the trebuchet?

[Noradin]

Maybe they could each have kings and queens again, and dust off the trebuchet?

Yes, what a splendit socialist utopia that surely would be!
Everyone would get their equal share of misery.

[Demolitia]

Yes, what a splendit socialist utopia that surely would be!
Everyone would get their equal share of misery.

And what a red, white and blue Brexit that would be!

[Floopa]

Maybe they could each have kings and queens again, and dust off the trebuchet?

corbyn is anti-monarchy (the 1 domestic policy i disagree with him on).

fwiw, corbyn would at least honour the GFA and would keep the UK in a CU/SM where possible*

*he would still want to seek to remove the UK from parts of the CU/SM where nationalisation is blocked

the Labour plan for the housing crisis is very simple and effective too! rather than having to buy land at it's value post-build they will just buy land at it's current value (so say land is worth £1 but after building a home on it it's valued at £100, right now you have to pay £100 but Labour would just pay £1 and forcibly take it). this policy is also backed by some conservative MPs.

[Noradin]

the Labour plan for the housing crisis is very simple and effective too! rather than having to buy land at it's value post-build they will just buy land at it's current value (so say land is worth £1 but after building a home on it it's valued at £100, right now you have to pay £100 but Labour would just pay £1 and forcibly take it). this policy is also backed by some conservative MPs.

Robbery! What a splendit idea.

[Floopa]

Robbery! What a splendit idea.

it's literally the same policy employed across the majority of europe lol, but you probably didn't know that because you don't live in a country which has an utterly fucked housing crisis : )

[Mayhem]

corbyn is anti-monarchy (the 1 domestic policy i disagree with him on).

fwiw, corbyn would at least honour the GFA and would keep the UK in a CU/SM where possible*

*he would still want to seek to remove the UK from parts of the CU/SM where nationalisation is blocked

the Labour plan for the housing crisis is very simple and effective too! rather than having to buy land at it's value post-build they will just buy land at it's current value (so say land is worth £1 but after building a home on it it's valued at £100, right now you have to pay £100 but Labour would just pay £1 and forcibly take it). this policy is also backed by some conservative MPs.

You are a socialist who is pro monarchy? Well that's a combination i haven't come across yet.