I don't agree that Cameron is worse than May.
It's absolutely true to say he made a catastrophic error of judgement in reading the national mood. As a result, he was overconfident and didn't set the referendum up properly. It was an enormous error and certainly something he deserves significant criticism for. Outside of this, however, Cameron was at least acceptably competent (whether or not you agreed with his policies is another matter).
May is absolutely useless. Triggered A50 with no plan, ruled out options arbitrarily, isolated other parties during negotiations, botched negotiations completely, utterly failed at building any kind of consensus and refuses to see any way but hers as an options. She's a horrendous leader, and possibly the worst PM we've had in history. Brexit is the largest challenge of modern UK history; May is so far below the required standard that it would be funny if it wasn't so serious.
Cameron certainly won't go down as one of the greats, but his enormous mistake is a far cry from the absolute incompetence of his successor.
What puts Cameron worse than May for me is that he fled his responsibility, there is nothing more unforgivable in my eyes than dereliction of duty. Had he the backbone to deal with the situation he created, May wouldn't get the chance to fuck it all up.
Motions accepted by the Speaker are the ones from Corbyn, Letwin and Beckett.
I expect Corbyn (which if I'm not mistaken will render Letwin irrelevant) and Beckett to both pass. The PM has stated she will whip against Letwin.
No - Corbyn's amendment calls on the Government to do something (which they may choose to ignore) at some point this week (timetable is up to the Government). Letwin's amendment takes it out of the Government's hands completely and allocates specific time on Wednesday where MPs can decide for themselves what they discuss.
The Letwin amendment is basically a much more thorough and useful version of the Corbyn amendment, one does not rule the other out.
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It's like that ethics trolley problem - Cameron has set the trolley down the track towards the 5 people tied to the line, May has her hand on the lever to switch the trolley over to a lane with only one person tied to the line but through selfish incompetence manages to jigger it onto a previously unseen track with 10 people on the line. Even so I personally would still blame Cameron more for loosing the trolley in the first place; but it makes sense that others would see the terribad handling of the switch as being more responsible for the outcome.
Sorry I'll stop making bad offtopic analogies I have waay too much time on my hands right now.
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
So it's looking like none of the amendments will pass tonight and if they do then they will be ignored anyway. Be prepared to give a rousing round of applause to our Parliamentarians later this evening. Stirling work as always.
I guess the EU anticipated such professionalism and constructive stance seeing their press release this morning.
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-19-1813_en.htm
Amendment D withdrawn by the leader of the opposition, they're supporting amendment A which got a rather resounding aye vs a weaker no in division. Voting underway.
Business Minister Richard Harrington has resigned from the government in order to support the Letwin Amendment
Amendment A is Letwin's cross party amendment which takes the order paper off the Government. D was Corbyn's, the other is Beckett's that instructs the Government to seek further extension if we run out of time.. again.
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Oh shit, that didnt take long. Expecting a few Conservatives to defy the whip on this.
Absolute state of the BBC, covering for a group of ministers naming themselves after the leaders of the fucking kkk