This thread is Brexit in a nutshell:
It's not about the relations between the UK and the EU, it is just about british domestic policy. Maybe Slant was a bit unfriendly, but in the end he is right. Well, hope you have a nice 1st November. The rest of the EU is preparing, while you're arguing about who should be PM.
Con MPs that vote to bring down their own government have already burnt their bridges, regardless of who becomes temporary PM, they will be ejected from the party and unless the seat they have been elected to represent is very strongly in favour of remain they can kiss the idea of being re-elected goodbye.
Lab voters will be happy that they have brought down the Con government, as will the SNP.
Lib Dem, Green and Plaid voters will be happy that they have a chance at stopping no-deal.
The Irish voters will just do what they always do.
So in terms of voters' feelings it is the Con MPs who have the most to lose but seeing as backing this motion would spell the end of their political careers what voters feel about them is rather inconsequential.
Right... and we're leaving in just over two months. In practical terms there is not enough time to pass and implement any laws between then and now, in fact the European Council are not scheduled meet again until two weeks before Brexit, so in essence we are not giving up any control.
And don't you think it is pretty arrogant to assume that we should have a say in how an organisation that we're leaving moves forward once we've left?
According the article you linked "A spokesperson for the European Commission welcomed the arrangement, and said the UK approach was consistent with its commitments not to disrupt the workings of the bloc."
So in short, for once , we're doing as we should.
Oh and our European neighbours shouldn't worry too much you've still got Nigel (assuming he turns up) in case you miss us .
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I said it once and i will say it again, a large segment of the pro-brexit crowd voted for it on racist principles. It was all about those migrants coming their way, that's why you also saw an increase the day after the vote happened, people felt empowered to not just go after brown people but eastern europeans also.
People be damned if England actually moved into this century and asked that people need to have an actual ID on them at all times to discourage immigration.
This is hilarious if you think about it, because now, after they leave the EU, they won't be getting any more of those pesky qualified eastern europeans, but they'll keep getting the non-eu, non-christian immigrants. Which I imagine will be a big shock for the local racist crowd!
You stated that EU should just kick out any UK-citizen as retribution towards the UK; doing that would be a choice by the EU states.
And that choice would be stupid, and the obvious solution is to offer them to stay in some way - with work-permits if they are, indeed useful (or using some kind of point system as was planned by the UK (which may or may not happen)). People who lived in the EU-27 country for 5 years are more or less free to stay.
It seems that is also what is actually planned by some EU governments, as they don't consider the welfare to non-citizens a priority.
See e.g. http://www.bamf.de/EN/Migration/Arbe...halt-node.html
Dude, don't be stupid. The default state is for foreigners to need permits. UK citizens currently live in the EU under the EU umbrella, with EU permits, a fast track I might add. Once the UK leaves the EU... "ALL TREATIES CEASE TO APPLY." That includes the UK's membership of this permit system. The EU won't literally "kick out" anyone, their permits will lose validity by default. The whole idea was that the UK and EU would take an active effort to fasttrack each other's citizens to new, valid permits so they can go about their lives largely unaffected (if that is even possible).
If the UK refuses to do that, so will the EU. It is really tit for tat. There is no obligation to the EU to unilaterally do stuff.
The choice would be stupid. You can thank the UK for that. We've seen a whole lot of stupid from that side, enough for everyone to get a piece of it.
Having said that, UK citizens wouldn't be booted out of the country. They'd have to go through the (much slower) process for third-country nationals, however.
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Oh no Angela. Doesn't this capitulation lark get really old? Don't ruin my sweet sweet no deal...
Angela Merkel tells Boris Johnson a Brexit deal to ditch the backstop CAN be done 'in the next 30 days
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...la-Merkel.html
Now, about that £39bn we are not going to pay the EU, that OK too?...
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
So maybe be more annoyed with the UK government for not doing this initially?
A points based immigration system was never seriously "planned" by the UK, because such a system would be completely useless in terms of the immigration that the UK needs.
When conservative politicians or newspapers in the UK mention a points based immigration system, they are appealing to conservative voters who think an Australian immigration system = only letting white people like themselves enter a country.
Funny how this has been true for the last 2 and a half years, yet the UK press and BBC go mad for it all the same.Angela Merkel tells Boris Johnson a Brexit deal to ditch the backstop CAN be done 'in the next 30 days
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Merkel is playing it smart.
She basically told Boris "Get someone else that will work." knowing there's nothing what will work. It's been the EU position since the first vote failed months ago.
Literally nothing has changed, the EU has the same position and the Uk government will display its usual ineptitude and get nothing done, after everything crashed and burned they will blame the EU.