Both Genesis and Rolling Stones are still playing live, but that whole COVID thing got in the way of them going on their planned tours last year.
But yeah, being a Brexiteer now seems to include being a gatekeepeer on music taste too, apparently. If these pesky EU artists could do successful tours in the UK before, there must clearly be some Brits that do want to listen to them live.
Um little thing called Covid you missed it? Not many stadium being filled right now.
More modern you ask, how about the year 2019 just pre Covid with Ed Sheeran's divide tour, the highest grossing world concert tour of all time then is that good enough?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._concert_tours
Until currently low EU standards, as evidenced by that wiki, are on par the UK will thanks to Brexit set the rules on artistry visas Europe wide and the EU will have no say in it. I would say the EU needs UK performers more than the UK needs EU ones, bit like in every sphere of life as Brexiteers have been saying for years.
Seriously which artists? ABBA and their warblings maybe, who else?
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
I'm also sure that Genesis and the Rolling Stones have managers that can deal with the Visa issues for any country they plan to tour.
What I find more confusing is that the uk as the smaller part wanting a shorter time. Musicians on tour will likely already spend fewer days in the uk than in the EU; so why would the rule be needed?
And it seems the non-EU buskers with dogs would not be allowed to work as artists in most EU-countries, as you normally need a more formal arrangement (tour-plan etc); which wouldn't stop Genesis or the Rolling Stones.
However, the simple reason is that the EU has three kinds of visa: A for airport transit, C up to 90 days, D for longer stays; and don't see a need to invent a new category for no good reason.
Ah, so UK does not listen to rest of European music? Bold statement, Cotton. I am sure no one listens to Rammstein or Daft Punk
But I guess to you only the biggest sales count? Fascinating view of music.
Also, would be strange if Beattles were filling stadiums now.
Looks like you also want to argue about taste - which is just plain dumb.
I would say that Genesis is doing the classical nothing for a decade then "coming back together" tour, RS are the only ones from his list which are truly active.
The EU offered a standard deal, and the UK turned it down because they "didn't want EU musicians coming over here". Trust you to try and "both sides" something that is pretty clearly a xenophobic failure on the UK side. For someone that supposedly voted leave and paints himself as an honest man in the middle, you do love contorting yourself into knots defending the Brexit crew.
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What the fuck do you think musicians, conductors, sound engineers, roadies, tour managers, hauliers, all the support staff etc. are doing at the moment, huh? Putting their feet up and enjoying the long break?
They are desperate. They are leaving the industry.
You suspect “by the time musicians are able to tour again that the details will be ironed out and agreements in place and this will turn out be a non-issue”, well, I know that the industry has been irrevocably damaged by Covid. Any further self-inflicted, Brexit-related damage is unthinkable. It's that straight forward. Your response to this, is what? I suspect and non-issue. This is offensive and incomprehensible.
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And it's not the only clear lie - there was also the blatant lie about more paid vacation days in the uk; or claiming that leave still had the same support as during the election - using one specific opinion poll that had a hefty margin for remain-supporters but in some way got a very small margin for leave (others show remain in lead).
However, as we all know people spreading blatant lies for trolling or political gains is completely harmless; and no-one cares whether you use social media for that.
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Remainers tried to say it was a lie when it travelled the nation on the side of a bug red bus. They failed to refute the figure decisively then and still do to this day and they lost the debate. If it was incorrect the electoral commission would have stopped that bus apronto, yet they didn't.
Even today on the UK.gov website they quote a gross EU contribution in theoretical liability in excess of £350 million (actually £384 bn a week or £20bn ayear if u want to know exactly) a week for 2018. Are the UK government trolling? Who knows how much it would have been today if we hadn't voted to leave, thank heavens for the big red Boris bus.
In 2018 the UK’s gross contribution to the EU amounted to £20.0 billion
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/gover...get/2017-10-31
Who'd have thunk it. Conservatives being conservative with the fiscal figures.
(cue remainers blah blah blah nonsense about how the UK gets much of it back, it doesn't matter, the UK lost control of all that money and were directed to spend it as the EU saw fit often in futile attempts at breaking up and dividing the UK. Not any more thanks to the nation coming together and taking back control behind brexit.)
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
The bus was not touring the UK in 2018. The numbers for 2018 are irrelevant.
in 2015, the UK's gross contributions were 17.779B pounds, which works out at 341.9M per week if you divide that by 52. However, the UK received 9.306B pounds back from the EU. The total load on the UK's budget for the year of 2015 (the UK would have had to spend that money anyway) was therefore 8.473B pounds, or 162.9M per calendar week.
Even if you refuse to acknowledge the actual amount of money that was not returned to the UK (and the net contribution does not take trade boosting the economy into account), the 350M number is at least 8 million pounds too high.
source: https://assets.publishing.service.go...b_09122015.pdf
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Funny you bring them up because they had their breakthrough in Germany... under your new super cool Brexit policies, we never would have had The Beatles most likely. Well done, Brexit! You would have prevented one of the greatest (maybe the greatest) bands of all time!
Edit: I am actually not sure how the visa situation was before the UK joined the EU, but I think they had that figured out in some post war contracts. But this could easily be wrong and misremembered by me and I am too lazy to search for it now, because it's too late...
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That gross is misleading and outright lying when compared to the claim.
The bus didn't say "We gross contribute £350 million per week to the EU, let's gross contribute that to NHS", did it?
States that the actual contribution after abatement ("rebate") was £15.5 billion, which arguable is what was sent - but there's more!
So, the uk didn't send £20 billion to the EU, but about £8.6 billion.But this only accounts for the money that the UK pays to the EU – some of this £15.5 billion is credited back to the UK public sector, of which a proportion is then paid to the private sector...
Given these figures, the ONS reports that the UK government's net contribution to the EU – that is, the difference between the money it paid to the EU and the money it received – was £11.0 billion in 2018 compared with the £20.0 billion theoretical liability.
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This calculation considers the abatement, the money the EU sends to the UK government, and the money the EU sends directly to the UK private sector.
This is arguably a more complete picture of the money that flows between the UK and the EU and in 2018 the net flow was £8.6 billion.
So, you are misleading/lying and your own source shows that.
Same as when you lied about the uk having more paid vacation than in the EU, when the uk has the EU-minimum of 28 days; it's just that the uk employers tried to cheat by counting 5-day weeks - that's why the uk has more "weeks", but the minimum amount of days.
It's pretty silly to think that your taste or lack thereof, in music, should be the deciding factor in what your countrymen can listen to and vice versa.
What's wth the communist approach to letting govt. decide for the people?
Also bands can still play overseas, it's just that a visa is needed. And no they wont get rejected because the old fart issuing the visa, shares your taste in music.
Gross figures are commonplace and the accepted easily understood normal used in these and many other cases in the UK. From job adverts quoting a salary of £100k Gross, no one expects to net £2k a week but the gross figure is still used and yet not stated as such. When the UK builds a new aircraft carrier at a published gross cost of £4bn you don't start saying yeah but all the shipworkers ate cheese rolls at Mavis's gaff for two years so the country got a rebate and the carrier didn't cost £4bn really.
Only remainers have a problem with the UK government reporting the EU used to cost us in excess of £350 million a week gross, or 4 or 5 aircraft carriers a year. Luckily most of the electorate, in their tens of millions, agreed with me on the clarity of those figures at the time of the referendum and voted for Brexit on that basis.
It was not incorrect, misleading or a lie on the Brexit side to run that add on that bus.
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"