Mega-Thread: Mueller investigation

[Fugus]

I thought that was put on hold - that the courts blocked it for now.

Wells Fargo and another bank already turned theirs in and Congress has it, this was before the whole infrastructure fiasco of his and is probably why he did what he did trying to end the investigations.

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Still more banks to go, like the Russian one which is the big one. But 2 banks already turned theirs in.

[cubby]

Wells Fargo and another bank already turned theirs in and Congress has it, this was before the whole infrastructure fiasco of his and is probably why he did what he did trying to end the investigations.

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Still more banks to go, like the Russian one which is the big one. But 2 banks already turned theirs in.

Ah, excellent. Those combined with Deutsche Bank and the NY State Tax records ought to be very interesting.

[DarkTZeratul]

Michael Cohen never went to Prague, for one. That was stated in the Mueller report.

"I found one minor detail that turned out to be incorrect, therefore the entire document should not only be ignored, but actively assumed to be false."

[Fugus]

"I found one minor detail that turned out to be incorrect, therefore the entire document should not only be ignored, but actively assumed to be false."

Don't feed him!

[Breccia]

Assange charged with everything.

Justice Department officials on Thursday announced 17 additional felony charges against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, a move that was met with near-universal outcry from press freedom groups.

A grand jury in Alexandria, Va., returned the superseding indictment charging Assange with conspiring with former Army intelligence officer Chelsea Manning to obtain, receive and disclose “national defense information,” in violation of the Espionage Act.

He is also charged with publishing a select range of the classified documents that revealed the names of low-level, local sources utilized by the U.S. government, including Afghan and Iraqi nationals, as well as journalists, human rights activists, and religious leaders.

“These alleged actions disclosed our sensitive classified information in a manner that made it available to every terrorist group, hostile foreign intelligence service and opposing military,” said John Demers, the assistant attorney general for DOJ’s national security division.

“Documents relating to these disclosures were even found in the Osama bin Laden compound. This release made our adversaries stronger and more knowledgeable, and the United States less secure.”

Damn, this keeps going and going. Like, seriously, I hate quoting the whole thing, but there's a really good summing up of the shit Assange dove into and the DoJ just clogged his snorkel.

[Dontrike]

The Dems are screwed no matter what they do.

If they do impeach, the sequence is: they accused Trump of shilling for Russia - investigated yelling about this on the media for two years - found no conspiracy - tried to impeach on obstruction - failed - ??? - (probably going to lose the elections over this).

*sigh* You know you can impeach for other shit, right? As in they could do it for being a Russian shill AND a league of other shit. The fact you think Trump only has that one flaw shows just how much you love him.

The orange idiot is incompetent in every single way.

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This is exactly why I erased the message, LOL. Posted, then after a minute thought - what the hell, why even post, a couple of people are going to reply with some nonsense,

Ah yes, other people always post "nonsense" when responding to you. Seems like you are the root cause then and perhaps need to take a look as to why that happens rather than thinking others are "reply(ing) with some nonsense".

[cubby]

https://twitter.com/WesSmith123/stat...01536331358208

So Trump is saying that Jr called him ahead of the Trump Tower meeting.

You know, contradicting all current known evidence and information and statements to the contrary.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/31/u...ber-calls.html

I'll leave this one gem -



Sorry kid, your dumbass fucking father can't stop running his mouth. I need to catch up on that "totally not planned" press conference yesterday, it seems like a doozy.

This really needs to be repeated over and over again. Trump just admitted he knew about the Trump Tower meeting before it happened.

[Orbitus]

This really needs to be repeated over and over again. Trump just admitted he knew about the Trump Tower meeting before it happened.

Which corroborates Cohen's testimony.

[cubby]

Which corroborates Cohen's testimony.

Exactly. I sincerely hope this is being followed through on, or at least documented, so as to be prosecuted when sane minds return to the White House.

[Fugus]

@Dontrike

Stop feeding him!

[Ripster42]

Hey @cubby legal question: I'm guessing "bribery" is as inaccurate legally speaking as "collusion", but, is it bribery when both sides agree to shady shit at the same time? Manafort got loans he shouldn't have, but the loaner was promised a job he didn't deserve. Is there a word for mutual bribery? Is it penal code 69?

It's just bribery. You bribe someone to do something for you. Both parties are guilty.

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"I found one minor detail that turned out to be incorrect, therefore the entire document should not only be ignored, but actively assumed to be false."

Especially when the guy who wrote it said it was raw intel and not 100% accurate.

[Felya]

Michael Cohen never went to Prague, for one. That was stated in the Mueller report.

Now think about that. Out of everything in the Dossier... it’s Cohen going to Prague that was inaccurate? Not the meeting with Russian oligarchs... not the possibility of extortion... not the Moscow tower... While you use the investigation of 12 angry democrats as proof? Not Trump’s records... not Trump’s staff... not anything to do with liar in chief. You see no problem with this?

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@Felya

Don't feed him!

I’m sorry, am not a fan of arguing with people I agree with. It’s not much of an argument. My methods might be different than yours, but I prefer to keep people I disagree with, talking. With enough time, it’s not what I say that proves I’m right.

Plus, @Dacien has apologized to me once already and I’ve held my end of that deal, by not bringing up what was said. I think I’ve earned some respect as a result.

Thirdly... most Trump supporters learn pretty quick that responding to me, is a mistake. So... I don’t actually feed most of them... I can speak Fox News pretty well and arguing with Fox News style of communication, is not part of the script.

[Bodakane]

Hey @cubby legal question: I'm guessing "bribery" is as inaccurate legally speaking as "collusion", but, is it bribery when both sides agree to shady shit at the same time? Manafort got loans he shouldn't have, but the loaner was promised a job he didn't deserve. Is there a word for mutual bribery? Is it penal code 69?

Is it technically considered conspiracy?

In criminal law, a conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime at some time in the future. Criminal law in some countries or for some conspiracies may require that at least one overt act be undertaken in furtherance of that agreement, to constitute an offense.

[rda]

Yeah, instead you have 2 posts spamming the thread... hypocrisy must feel good. Much better than actually discussing Trump going out of his way to obstruct investigations, by taking banks to court and demanding his staff refuse to testify. What do you think about that? You a fan of obstructing the ability of congress to investigate the executive branch? Something that is inherently part of their job...

It seems you want an answer to your question, so I'll answer.

First off, I suppose you are talking about the investigation that resulted in the Mueller report. If so, that investigation continued for a damn long time and all this time the media were red hot firing one conspiracy theory after the other, celebrating hundreds of imaginary "wins", and gloating about how things are going to be so great when the investigation completes, the conspiracy of Trump with Russia finally gets proven and Trump will face repercussions.

When you didn't conspire, yet you are investigated for such a long time and have packs of rabid dogs barking up your ear all along every effing day, it is understandable that you won't think terribly fondly of the investigation. So, yes, while Trump ultimately cooperated with the investigation, he was irritated by it, and said some things and wanted it to stop already. He could have done way more than just said some things, but he did not.

So, please forgive me, but when two years after the investigation that showed precisely nothing in the area it was set to investigate, with Trump doing nothing material to obstruct it and just saying some things that could have been interpreted as possible attempts to obstruct, you want to take what little Trump said and put it onto a flag and parade with that flag as if this is a big deal -- please forgive me, but I am calling this pathetic and weak. Because it is pathetic and weak. And the majority of people agree with me and not with you, and if you don't believe that this is the case, just start the impeachment process / some campaign against Trump based on these "findings" you think are super-damning. We'll then both watch how it crashes and burns and goes nowhere and maybe after that you'll understand that yeah, this is pathetic and weak.

[Orbitus]

It seems you want an answer to your question, so I'll answer.

First off, I suppose you are talking about the investigation that resulted in the Mueller report. If so, that investigation continued for a damn long time and all this time the media were red hot firing one conspiracy theory after the other, celebrating hundreds of imaginary "wins", and gloating about how things are going to be so great when the investigation completes, the conspiracy of Trump with Russia finally gets proven and Trump will face repercussions.

When you didn't conspire, yet you are investigated for such a long time and have packs of rabid dogs barking up your ear all along every effing day, it is understandable that you won't think terribly fondly of the investigation. So, yes, while Trump ultimately cooperated with the investigation, he was irritated by it, and said some things and wanted it to stop already. He could have done way more than just said some things, but he did not.

So, please forgive me, but when two years after the investigation that showed precisely nothing in the area it was set to investigate, with Trump doing nothing material to obstruct it and just saying some things that could have been interpreted as possible attempts to obstruct, you want to take what little Trump said and put it onto a flag and parade with that flag as if this is a big deal -- please forgive me, but I am calling this pathetic and weak. Because it is pathetic and weak. And the majority of people agree with me and not with you, and if you don't believe that this is the case, just start the impeachment process / some campaign against Trump based on these "findings" you think are super-damning. We'll then both watch how it crashes and burns and goes nowhere and maybe after that you'll understand that yeah, this is pathetic and weak.

It is funny, that you think the investigations are over. Considering there are still over 2 dozen investigations going, and every time that dumbass opens his mouth, another investigation starts. Thinking that legitimate stories that mostly turned out to be true, are conspiracy theories. Really funny coming from a Russian that has been spouting lies for the last few months.

The fact that you think the investigation produced nothing, is fucking hilarious.

[rda]

It is funny, that you think the investigations are over. Considering there are still over 2 dozen investigations going, and every time that dumbass opens his mouth, another investigation starts. Thinking that legitimate stories that mostly turned out to be true, are conspiracy theories. Really funny coming from a Russian that has been spouting lies for the last few months.

The fact that you think the investigation produced nothing, is fucking hilarious.

Oh, so even two years of Mueller investigations weren't enough, you still need some more time. Cool, let's wait more then. I don't know what you think these unfinished investigations you are talking about will bring you, and why you still, after all this time, think that they will bring anything non-pathetic, but sure, let's wait. Wake me up when something happens.

[Dontrike]

Oh, so even two years of Mueller investigations weren't enough, you still need some more time.

Ah yes, because Mueller found Trump not not guilty and "doesn't exonerate" means no other investigations can ever happen. Shill harder.

[Cthulhu 2020]

What propaganda are you speaking of??

Mueller filed his report - there was no collusion. The left is in the process of losing their minds - they have no agenda, they're bankrupt in the area of ideas and the only thing they know is Orange Man Bad - investigate.

They absolutely, along with the left wing media complex, sold their base on the idea that Trump would be impeached and stand trial for conspiring with the Russians to over-throw the 2016 election. That him and his crime family would stand trial and go to jail, and people, including many in this very forum, believed it. People in former leadership positions - Brennan, Clapper & Comey - stated on TV that there was proof this would happen, and people believed it.

The investigation comes to a close, and no conspiracy - nothing. They did not know what to do, the reaction was the same as when they lost the election, they lost their minds. It was devastating to them.

The leaders in congress couldn't just come out and say okay, hey we tried but there was nothing there so lets just let it go. They knew they couldn't do that because their base was/is expecting Trump to be impeached, facts be damned. Keep sending us your donations and we'll impeach Trump.

Keeping the dream alive.....don't/can't let it die. Forward to about 2:20 in this video, it's astonishing how bad this was. After watching this there's no debating that they can't just let it go, their entire narrative is wrapped up in this.....they have nothing else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdHtAzFNwjE

I like how Trumpkins think there was nothing in the Mueller report because Mueller didn't recommend charges........

But they like to gloss over the part where Mueller said he was leaving charges against the president up to Congress, SINCE THAT'S HOW CHARGING A PRESIDENT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. It continues to amaze me just how thick the Trumpkins can be that they believe lack of charges from Mueller means there was nothing. The Mueller report showed clear evidence of obstruction of justice, and if not collusion, complacent cooperation with Russians very clearly aiding the Trump campaign.

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Ah yes, because Mueller found Trump not not guilty and "doesn't exonerate" means no other investigations can ever happen. Shill harder.

Mueller didn't even find Trump not guilty. As has been stated, Mueller's report shows that Trump is "not "not guilty"". Mueller left the charges and continuing investigation up to Congress.

Also anyone else finding hilarity that Trump is now ordering his entire executive branch to investigate the Mueller investigation for "criminal spying"? Talk about a nothingburger roflmao.

[Dontrike]

Mueller didn't even find Trump not guilty. As has been stated, Mueller's report shows that Trump is "not "not guilty"". Mueller left the charges and continuing investigation up to Congress.

Also anyone else finding hilarity that Trump is now ordering his entire executive branch to investigate the Mueller investigation for "criminal spying"? Talk about a nothingburger roflmao.

The same people he could barely trust when Putin was telling him shit.

[Breccia]

Nadler says Mueller insists on testifying in private

Is trying to get him to at least make a public opening statement. I honestly don't see what that would accomplish. If he doesn't want to, but has to anyhow, the public statement will be a vaguery stuffed with legal nohtingspeak. By contrast, even the GOP will be forced to leave the private hearing saying "No, Mueller did not say total exonoration in all caps."