Mega-Thread: Mueller investigation

[Deleted]

Remember when you were so adamant that Russia wasn't trying to help Trump?

Um - no, I don't. Care to point out where I ever said anything like that? Feel free to refresh my memory.

BTW - they were trying to help Bernie too. Guess it is time to go after all of the Bernie Bro supporters as "Commrades" now as well, eh?

[NYC17]

While you wallow in speculations to try to bolster your beliefs in a conspiracy theory- try speculating on this.....

On page 17, paragraph 45 of the indictment, it says, “Defendants and their co-conspirators also used false U.S. personas to communicate with unwitting members, volunteers, and supporters of the Trump Campaign….”"

Unwitting - ponder THAT word for a while!

Maybe you can get Edge- in here , he was so hyped on the "careful" wording about "this" indictment.

Your mistake is believing that this somehow signifies the end of the matter.

OOh, wait. Were you confusing "people" with yourself earlier when you declared that those "people were saying "the time was almost at an end"?

I'm not sure whether to laugh or offer sympathy.

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Um - no, I don't. Care to point out where I ever said anything like that? Feel free to refresh my memory.

BTW - they were trying to help Bernie too. Guess it is time to go after all of the Bernie Bro supporters as "Commrades" now as well, eh?

Sure. I mean after all, Bernie's son, son in law, and campaign manager all met with Russians in Bernie's house under the pretense of being given compromising information about Hillary.

[Rukh]

Um - no, I don't. Care to point out where I ever said anything like that? Feel free to refresh my memory.

BTW - they were trying to help Bernie too. Guess it is time to go after all of the Bernie Bro supporters as "Commrades" now as well, eh?

They were supporting Sanders to harm Clinton who was Trump's primary opponent. Which is damned obvious to everyone. But please, try this approach if you want people to laugh at you.

[Deleted]

Right. That doesn't contradict anything I said. Which was that these particular indictments were of Russians who did not have American co-conspirators. This does not mean no Russians did. That's where you drive completely off the rails.

I didn't say it contradicted anything your said - you are the only one off the rails, drawing a bullshit conclusion on what I said.

All I said is that while YOU wallow in your conspiracy theroy about "trump/russia" and you pedantry of words, realize what Mueller said - UNWITTING. Hell, that is almost a get-out-of-jail-free card.

Endus and his sycophants: "Trump colluded!!

Mueller: "He did so UNWITTINGLY. Sorry, no indictment."

LOL!

[cubby]

None of those indictments point to Trump. WTF are you babbling about? I usually don't respond to you (for obvious reasons) but...where the fuck does any of this "point to Trump"?

Who's campaign were they working on? Who did they work for? How can you be this obtuse?

[Deleted]

Your mistake is believing that this somehow signifies the end of the matter.

You are just as good at drawing bullshit conclusions as Endus.

I love how the both of you take YOUR asinie assumptions and try to assert them as a reality. LOL!

[cubby]

At least we know Trump will enforce those Russian sanctions he has been sitting on, since they overwhelmingly passed congress. Right? First thing Monday... fine... after a round of golf... then, totally will do it.

Might need another porn star afterwards. Does Pecker deliver?

[tumppu]

This thread certainly has exploded again, due to this nothingburger or whatever is the current name given to the nothing that is the investigation mueller is currently doing.

[NYC17]

I didn't say it contradicted anything your said - you are the only one off the rails, drawing a bullshit conclusion on what I said.

All I said is that while YOU wallow in your conspiracy theroy about "trump/russia" and you pedantry of words, realize what Mueller said - UNWITTING. Hell, that is almost a get-out-of-jail-free card.

Endus and his sycophants: "Trump colluded!!

Mueller: "He did so UNWITTINGLY. Sorry, no indictment."

LOL!

Did the indictment say everyone who had contact with Russians were unwitting? Or did it say that Russians had had contact with unwitting members?

Nuance is a hard concept, I know. Especially when you're busy being militantly ignorant and shortsighted. But, the ability to comprehend nuance is sort of crucial for critical thought as well as coherent and accurate analysis.

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You are just as good at drawing bullshit conclusions as Endus.

I love how the both of you take YOUR asinie assumptions and try to assert them as a reality. LOL!

It's not an assumption. Again, you fail at language and using correct terminology. The only thing someone seeking actual knowledge an understanding can conclude about what these indictments say is that THESE indictments dealt with Russians using false identities to facilitate contact with unwitting members, volunteers, and supporters.

It's very careful to make no determination or final judgment on the matter going forward. That's such a basic comprehension thing I'm not sure why or how you can fail at it so spectacularly time and time again.

Other than your ignorance being willful, of course.

[tumppu]

The kind that I am semi-retired from, which allows me free time to "enlighten" you folks

You could not enlighten an underground room with a lit match. Out of all the dim bulbs on this forum, you are by far the most dark.

[Endus]

I didn't say it contradicted anything your said - you are the only one off the rails, drawing a bullshit conclusion on what I said.

All I said is that while YOU wallow in your conspiracy theroy about "trump/russia" and you pedantry of words, realize what Mueller said - UNWITTING. Hell, that is almost a get-out-of-jail-free card.

Endus and his sycophants: "Trump colluded!!

Mueller: "He did so UNWITTINGLY. Sorry, no indictment."

LOL!

All of that makes precisely zero sense, since nobody here was suggesting Mueller's investigation is over. We've been saying that it's ongoing.

It's a particularly silly claim to make when there have already been indictments filed over "witting" collusion. If you think Mueller was saying "no Americans have wittingly colluded with Russians at all", then you weren't paying attention.

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Your mistake is believing that this somehow signifies the end of the matter.

You are just as good at drawing bullshit conclusions as Endus.

I love how the both of you take YOUR asinie assumptions and try to assert them as a reality. LOL!

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It's a particularly silly claim to make when there have already been indictments filed over "witting" collusion.

LOL - and you accuse ME off being "off the rails"?

Exactly what fucking "indictments" have shown any 'witting" collusion?

Only 2 people have actually even been indicted (Manafort and Gates) - the other 2 plead guilty BEFORE they were actually indicted.

[Stormspark]

Did the indictment say everyone who had contact with Russians were unwitting? Or did it say that Russians had had contact with unwitting members?

Nuance is a hard concept, I know. Especially when you're busy being militantly ignorant and shortsighted. But, the ability to comprehend nuance is sort of crucial for critical thought as well as coherent and accurate analysis.

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It's not an assumption. Again, you fail at language and using correct terminology. The only thing someone seeking actual knowledge an understanding can conclude about what these indictments say is that THESE indictments dealt with Russians using false identities to facilitate contact with unwitting members, volunteers, and supporters.

It's very careful to make no determination or final judgment on the matter going forward. That's such a basic comprehension thing I'm not sure why or how you can fail at it so spectacularly time and time again.

Other than your ignorance being willful, of course.

Plus, this is a legal matter. Nuance is the word of the day. Mueller has everything to gain by using it, especially on people that can't grasp it.

[Rukh]

And we already know of a specific other American that was very witting and is also indicted for selling bank accounts to these people, so it's objectively clear that this did not intend to say that no Americans anywhere were witting participants.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1035547/download

So Mueller already destroy the pathetic kneejerk defense.

[Deleted]

Plus, this is a legal matter. Nuance is the word of the day. Mueller has everything to gain by using it, especially on people that can't grasp it.

"Hard to ignore that out of all the indictments and convictions that Mueller’s office has secured over the course of their investigation, not a single one has anything to do with the Trump campaign engaging in any illegal activity in conjunction with Russia, which is what the probe was supposed to be for in the first place."

https://lawandcrime.com/opinion/one-...ry-very-happy/

[NYC17]

And we already know of a specific other American that was very witting and is also indicted for selling bank accounts to these people, so it's objectively clear that this did not intend to say that no Americans anywhere were witting participants.

Well, no. His indictment makes no allegation that he knew he was dealing with Russians. So while he wittingly sold accounts there's no indication that he knew he was selling them to Russians.

[Vago]

Aren't most of you here the same people calling for everyone to just stop when Hillary Clinton broke State Department protocol with private emails and the like...and I'm pretty sure most of you were saying stop after like a month or two...now you are here saying "these things take time" and "just because they haven't found anything yet". So you want this investigation to continue but wanted that one stopped? Why? And please don't say they didn't find anything because we all know they did, they even admitted she "mishandled classified information". The Hypocrisy here is amusing

P.S. I love you all!

[Rukh]

Well, no. His indictment makes no allegation that he knew he was dealing with Russians. So while he wittingly sold accounts there's no indication that he knew he was selling them to Russians.

The claim is that no Americans were witting participants in the matters of the indictments. One American is literally the target of an indictment and in fact pleaded guilty.

"PINEDO frequently purchased bank account numbers from an individual he knew to be outside the United States. Similarly, based on IP addresses and other information, PINEDO knew that many of the persons to whom he sold bank account numbers to were outside the United States."

[Endus]

LOL - and you accuse ME off being "off the rails"?

Exactly what fucking "indictments" have shown any 'witting" collusion?

Only 2 people have actually even been indicted (Manafort and Gates) - the other 2 plead guilty BEFORE they were actually indicted.

You realize you can't plead guilty to charges that aren't filed, right? At best, you can confess what you've done, and they can use that as the basis for the indictment, at which point you can make a guilty plea. You can't make the plea first. The law flat-out doesn't work that way.

[Zan15]

"Hard to ignore that out of all the indictments and convictions that Mueller’s office has secured over the course of their investigation, not a single one has anything to do with the Trump campaign engaging in any illegal activity in conjunction with Russia, which is what the probe was supposed to be for in the first place."

https://lawandcrime.com/opinion/one-...ry-very-happy/

Crowing before they even interview Trump...i mean really?