Randomized gear tokens are bad for the game

[haxartus]

Randomized gear tokens, like in the relinquished system, are horrible due to the random nature of the secondary stats roll. The chance that you get your two optimal secondary stats, from a relinquished token for example, is (1/4)*(1/3) = 1/12 or 8.3%.

This is correct, each time you buy a relinquished token, you have an 8.3% chance to get optimal secondary stats, and 91.7% chance to have to grind the token again. This system benefits nobody, except Blizzard, since the players are sinking significantly more play time (and therefore money) to get the same thing in the game.

[Miatog]

It's not about being optimal though. It's about letting alts, new people, and those falling behind to catch up. The relinquished system isn't there for you to gear your main or be a primary system of gearing.

[Ribesal]

Except the stats of these items aren't random, the item is random, but it's stats will be always the same (ignoring war/titanforge).
And these tokens are meant to gear up alts with ilvl, not to get bis gear.

The only item that results in a little problem here is the arcano crystal

[chazus]

since the players are sinking significantly more play time (and therefore money) to get the same thing in the game.

Nobody is grinding relinquished items to get BIS 910 gear.

The people whom get 910 gear as their top end, get 910 gear and go "ok", because if that's their top end, they don't play the game enough warrant higher. If they do, then: the people whom 910 is not the top, they either already have better, or its a brief stepping stone to catch up to raid gear.

[Firatha]

Except the stats of these items aren't random, the item is random, but it's stats will be always the same (ignoring war/titanforge).
And these tokens are meant to gear up alts with ilvl, not to get bis gear.

The only item that results in a little problem here is the arcano crystal

Its cute that you think that.

Nobody is grinding relinquished items to get BIS 910 gear.

Your right large amounts of players are grinding them to get TF/WF not 910 gear.

[D3athsting]

That 915+socket arcanocrystal i got on the only class that doesn't even need it, sub rogue

[Firatha]

That 915+socket arcanocrystal i got on the only class that doesn't even need it, sub rogue

I know that feel I have a 940 and a 950 cradle that I will never use.

[Eazy]

Nobody is grinding relinquished items to get BIS 910 gear.

Its cute that you think that.


Your right large amounts of players are grinding them to get TF/WF not 910 gear.

You're right. I've got like ~3 TF items which are better than or almost on the same level as BIS.

[Deleted]

Its cute that you think that.


Your right large amounts of players are grinding them to get TF/WF not 910 gear.

Proof that a "large amount" of players grind it out for tf/wf gear?
Seeing no one in my Mythic guild even touches Argus on their mains anymore.

[Alphatorg]

Poor hardcore min/maxers who have to optimize their ilvl 910 gear.

[Tradu]

Nobody is grinding relinquished items to get BIS 910 gear.

The people whom get 910 gear as their top end, get 910 gear and go "ok", because if that's their top end, they don't play the game enough warrant higher. If they do, then: the people whom 910 is not the top, they either already have better, or its a brief stepping stone to catch up to raid gear.

That's just straight up not true. There's plenty of people farming argunite in an attempt to get high ilevel Arcanocrystals/Chaos Talismans/statsticks/Convergence of Fates(or just trinkets in general). Also it's not "910 gear", it's base 910 gear, which is much higher base ilevel than you'd get in other places for some items(Arcano and CT being good examples)

[Firatha]

Proof that a "large amount" of players grind it out for tf/wf gear?
Seeing no one in my Mythic guild even touches Argus on their mains anymore.

Sounds like the people in your "mythic guild" either have full BiS which I dout they do or they don't care about min maxing.

Poor hardcore min/maxers who have to optimize their ilvl 910 gear.

You do realize it can WF/TF right?

[XDurionX]

So it's exactly like loot has always been in this game. It's fine. There is no privilege to get perfect loot everytime.

[Super Kami Dende]

because having certain slots for your character only ever have your Worst stat because of Raid loot tables is so much better

[Alphatorg]

You do realize it can WF/TF right?

It's not Blizzard's fault if you are naive enough to "grind" randomly selected items with a random tiny chance of titanforging into a small upgrade. Getting that kind of gear doesn't seem to be the purpose of relinquished tokens.

[Firatha]

It's not Blizzard's fault if you are naive enough to "grind" randomly selected items with a random tiny chance of titanforging into a small upgrade. Getting that kind of gear doesn't seem to be the purpose of relinquished tokens.

The hell do you mean naive being naive has nothing to do with it people see high TF rolls all the time.

[Tradu]

It's not Blizzard's fault if you are naive enough to "grind" randomly selected items with a random tiny chance of titanforging into a small upgrade. Getting that kind of gear doesn't seem to be the purpose of relinquished tokens.

Naive? Tell that to my 910 Arcanocrystal, 925 Frond, 930 Convergence, 930 Chaos Talisman, 925socket, 935, 935, 940 and 940socket statsticks, most of which are unfortunately on the wrong characters, as well as a pile of trash trinkets with high titanforges.

[Alphatorg]

The hell do you mean naive being naive has nothing to do with it people see high TF rolls all the time.

That's what I mean. You see high TF rolls "often" because you see hundreds of item drops, so you seem to think "wow that guy won the lottery - I better buy a ticket, so I can win as well."
Actually grinding relinquished tokens for anything other than non wf items just means you either have a very bad grasp of probabilities or a very unhealthy obsession with the game.

Naive? Tell that to my 910 Arcanocrystal, 925 Frond, 930 Convergence, 930 Chaos Talisman, 925socket, 935, 935, 940 and 940socket statsticks, most of which are unfortunately on the wrong characters, as well as a pile of trash trinkets with high titanforges.

Even if you are speaking the truth. What does that show us? That there is a very good chance of getting the wrong item?
Naive..

[Lochton]

Randomized gear tokens, like in the relinquished system, are horrible due to the random nature of the secondary stats roll. The chance that you get your two optimal secondary stats, from a relinquished token for example, is (1/4)*(1/3) = 1/12 or 8.3%.

This is correct, each time you buy a relinquished token, you have an 8.3% chance to get optimal secondary stats, and 91.7% chance to have to grind the token again. This system benefits nobody, except Blizzard, since the players are sinking significantly more play time (and therefore money) to get the same thing in the game.

The tokens for the auganite are great at they are. Specific rewarding tokens would be dumb, I am sorry but the optimization part, that is up to how much you wish to work for it. The tokens are great as a catch up mechanic, which they are meant to be.

[Thorbalt]

Randomized gear tokens, like in the relinquished system, are horrible due to the random nature of the secondary stats roll. The chance that you get your two optimal secondary stats, from a relinquished token for example, is (1/4)*(1/3) = 1/12 or 8.3%.

This is correct, each time you buy a relinquished token, you have an 8.3% chance to get optimal secondary stats, and 91.7% chance to have to grind the token again. This system benefits nobody, except Blizzard, since the players are sinking significantly more play time (and therefore money) to get the same thing in the game.

what, they changed the sub plan to pay by the hour now?

no, they didnt? its still a flat amount per month? that means that no one is paying more when they do token roulette, you are just reaching at failed and worthless "arguments" to try and boost your pathetic whine