Roy Moore: allegations of sexual misconduct with minors

[Machismo]

Well, you misrepresented what I said, so I can see how you are confused. You and Skroe are trying to be the great white buffalo anecdotal examples of the greatest fear of the GOP... the fleeing conservative. Meanwhile, you've missed the point that the people you are fleeing from are actually interested in getting rid of or completely transforming the GOP as you knew it anyway. The grand old RINO party that you knew and loved is finished. So feel free to join the left if you want or get on board, no one really cares about you.

I don't think you understand, most moderates think that the Trumpsters are even worse than the old GOP. Sure, the GOP is transforming, and it's getting even worse. It has lost its identity. It doesn't stand for individual liberty, limited government or the free markets. It doesn't even get to claim to be the moral choice, since they have opted to back Trump and Moore... two men who are both accused of some really terrible shit.

Let's put it this way, how would you sell the GOP to someone who has never heard of anything to do with politics in this country? What would convince someone to support the current GOP? What qualities does it embrace?

[Grapemask]

The grand old RINO party that you knew and loved is finished. So feel free to join the left if you want or get on board, no one really cares about you.

I still dream of a day when RINO is used correctly. The new people coming in and taking over a party can't call the ones who define it RINOs. That's positively absurd.

It's like if all of the 18 year old Twitch streamer girls jumped into gaming communities and called everyone there fake "gamers in name only." IT MAKES NO SENSE.

[Machismo]

Courting moderates is an age-old myth that has been pushed by political consultants looking to make dollars for nothing in Washington DC for decades. Nothing about it has ever been true. Mitt Romney never realized how right he was in his 47% speech. If he would have just said that from Day 1 and made his campaign around that thought process that he clearly had, he would have won.

I don't vote for GOP candidates. I vote for war candidates.

You didn't answer my question at all.

Let's put it this way, how would you sell the GOP to someone who has never heard of anything to do with politics in this country? What would convince someone to support the current GOP? What qualities does it embrace?

[Kiri]

You didn't answer my question at all.

Let's put it this way, how would you sell the GOP to someone who has never heard of anything to do with politics in this country? What would convince someone to support the current GOP? What qualities does it embrace?

They just point at Democrats and say 'the opposite of that', which is how I have to come understand the Trump presidency.

[Machismo]

Your question wasn't relevant. You tend to ask irrelevant questions that don't really require answers and then harp on about how someone didn't answer you. I have no need to sell the GOP to anyone (I just got done explaining how I would like to see it go the way of the do-do or be radically transformed) and especially to someone outside the US.

So your answer is that your rhetorical question made no fucking sense and doesn't require an answer.

It was relevant, and it's clear you don't have an answer for it. The GOP has no identity, thanks for helping me to demonstrate that point.

[kaelleria]

I don't think you understand, most moderates think that the Trumpsters are even worse than the old GOP. Sure, the GOP is transforming, and it's getting even worse. It has lost its identity. It doesn't stand for individual liberty, limited government or the free markets. It doesn't even get to claim to be the moral choice, since they have opted to back Trump and Moore... two men who are both accused of some really terrible shit.

Let's put it this way, how would you sell the GOP to someone who has never heard of anything to do with politics in this country? What would convince someone to support the current GOP? What qualities does it embrace?

The only qualities that the current GOP seems to embrace is pedophilia and xenophobia...

At a time they were the party of fiscal responsibility. That's clearly no longer the case. They've gone way far to the right socially that I can't believe they have any supporters under the age of 65.

[yoma]

What a sack-of-shit excuse for a human. I would feel pity for him if his ignorant actions weren't continuously hurting others around him. Also, fuck Trump/RNC for supporting this already stated sack-of-shit.

[Thekri]

Courting moderates is an age-old myth that has been pushed by political consultants looking to make dollars for nothing in Washington DC for decades. Nothing about it has ever been true. Mitt Romney never realized how right he was in his 47% speech. If he would have just said that from Day 1 and made his campaign around that thought process that he clearly had, he would have won.

I don't vote for GOP candidates. I vote for war candidates.

Classic internet tough guy, lol. Some of us have been to war, and aren't fond of useless and unnecessary wars. You don't understand power, you don't understand violence. Don't get me wrong, I am a huge fan of violence, I made a career on 70 ton tanks that can deliver some truly profound levels of violence, but violence without a purpose is immoral. There is a reason we no longer have a War Department, we have a Defense Department.

We should fight wars rarely, but when we do, we should embrace the horror they truly are, they are about imposing the will of a stronger party on the weaker. I believe that these weak, ineffectual wars that are drug to the negotiating table too early lead to centuries of unrest and hatred, because they don't conclude the issue. You on the other hand don't understand that they are not to be desired or pursued. There is no such thing as a "War candidate", only aggressive populist demagogues rousing the inherent insecurities of people like yourself by promising the fulfillment of some sick power fantasy.

You also can't seem to grasp that we are one nation, yes the person with the most votes gets to serve, but they serve the entire nation, not just the ones that voted for them. You don't seem to understand the very concept of service, you see only the power and prestige of the position, not the responsibility. Obama understood this, Bush understood this, Clinton understood this, even Nixon understood it to some extent, but people like you never will.

[Draco-Onis]

What percentage of people who voted that were purely over the age of 65 would it have taken to elect Donald Trump and a Republican Congress?

You see, the media has sold you this lie where you believe that people like me are some slim minority skulking around in the shadows that will be overtaken soon enough by a wave of globalism and socialist utopia. They sold this myth to you HARD before the last election making you believe that Donald Trump and the Republicans were outclassed in every way and had no chance of winning the White House. Then they were absolutely devastated when real people got a chance to have their voice heard instead of just getting the constant drum beat of their fake news and lopsided sampling in polls. It took them about a week to pull their sensibilities back together again to start selling the lie like the election never happened all over again. We will return in even stronger numbers in the coming elections. So I would perhaps re-think your beliefs.

On the contrary I believe you overestimate the number of young people who feel disenfranchised because of our two party and electoral system. The most active voters are over the age of 65 the younger generation turn out is always on the low side and has been trending that way for a long time. I also think you are sorely mistaken thinking that either Trump or Hillary Clinton represented the voice of the people, most chose what they thought was the less shitty candidate. I would be very surprised if in the next few decades we do not get a truly independent candidate winning the election.

I believe a lot right now rest on the democrats but I don't doubt their ability to screw it up. The people are angry and Trump has not given them what they wanted if anything he has made things worse. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, there has been no time in history where inequality is so high and things haven't gone to pot. So democrats can either right the ship and make the people feel like the system is working like they preach or be greedy politician and bring us closer to the abyss.

[Kiri]

So your ignorance is somehow our fault?

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You literally argue like a 5 year old. You hopped in on a conversation where I was telling someone that I would be fine with the GOP being destroyed as we know it or completely changed and then ask me how I would sell it in it's current form to an outsider.

How the fuck does that make sense to you and how could that have proven ANYTHING?

Well, if I look at you who has just flat-out refused to answer the question in question....yeah, kind of? But I was joking, mostly. A reference to a lot of things that the president has done so far being 'reversing something Obama did'. Or, more pertaining to this topic, the fact that the argument you heard most often from people trying to endorse Moore via the backdoor, namely 'at least he is not a Democrat' in one form or another.
It is commentary on the blatant tribalism which has become prevalent in the United States, where individual policies have taken a backseat to preconceived notions and generalizations. I mean Trump told me (well, everyone) to take a look at the Democrat's resumé so far and see for myself how weak he is on crime. But from what I could find on the net, he does not really seem weak. But he is still called that, because there is a D next to his name.

[Machismo]

So your ignorance is somehow our fault?

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You literally argue like a 5 year old. You hopped in on a conversation where I was telling someone that I would be fine with the GOP being destroyed as we know it or completely changed and then ask me how I would sell it in it's current form to an outsider.

How the fuck does that make sense to you and how could that have proven ANYTHING?

It helped to show my point that the GOP has no identity, and is not worth a damn in the modern climate. It has no values, and doesn't represent anything of quality. Your constant bullshit and dodging helped e to demonstrate it, thanks for that.

But hey, at least you guys are defending sexual assault and pedophilia... so you have that going for you.

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What percentage of people who voted that were purely over the age of 65 would it have taken to elect Donald Trump and a Republican Congress?

You see, the media has sold you this lie where you believe that people like me are some slim minority skulking around in the shadows that will be overtaken soon enough by a wave of globalism and socialist utopia. They sold this myth to you HARD before the last election making you believe that Donald Trump and the Republicans were outclassed in every way and had no chance of winning the White House. Then they were absolutely devastated when real people got a chance to have their voice heard instead of just getting the constant drum beat of their fake news and lopsided sampling in polls. It took them about a week to pull their sensibilities back together again to start selling the lie like the election never happened all over again. We will return in even stronger numbers in the coming elections. So I would perhaps re-think your beliefs.

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<---- Former USN LT Been to 5th fleet on several deployments and done my fair share of killing and breaking things.

War candidate was not meant to imply literal war with a foreign country. Please focus on one single phrase of my post and make ridiculous claims about it though.

You'd think someone who managed to get an education wouldn't be so damn blind.

Enjoy your "war" President...

[Masark]

Moore : Getting rid of the amendments past 10 would eliminate many problems.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/10/polit...men/index.html

Things Moore considers problems:

• Lack of slavery
• Black people voting
• Women voting
• 18 year olds voting
• DC being able to vote for the President
• Equal rights
• The constitution applying to the states
• Election of senators
• Presidents being limited to 2 terms
• Hillary not being vice president

[Mormolyce]

You see, the media has sold you this lie where you believe that people like me are some slim minority skulking around in the shadows that will be overtaken soon enough by a wave of globalism and socialist utopia. They sold this myth to you HARD before the last election making you believe that Donald Trump and the Republicans were outclassed in every way and had no chance of winning the White House. Then they were absolutely devastated when real people got a chance to have their voice heard instead of just getting the constant drum beat of their fake news and lopsided sampling in polls. It took them about a week to pull their sensibilities back together again to start selling the lie like the election never happened all over again. We will return in even stronger numbers in the coming elections. So I would perhaps re-think your beliefs.

But Trump voters in 2016 were the minority. In a very real, concrete and demonstrable sense.

[Ghostpanther]

But Trump voters in 2016 were the minority. In a very real, concrete and demonstrable sense.

Very much so. But Hillary did not understand it is not popular vote which would get her elected. Even her husband was smart enough to know that. He urged her to get out more and do more rallies in the swing states. I think she lacked the energy.

[tyrlaan]

Very much so. But Hillary did not understand it is not popular vote which would get her elected. Even her husband was smart enough to know that. He urged her to get out more and do more rallies in the swing states. I think she lacked the energy.

Lol that's your argument?

I think it's fair to say she knew exactly what would get her elected, she was just a shit candidate that couldn't manage to get people to care enough to vote for her. Her big selling point was that she wasn't Trump. While that was plenty good enough for me, for others frustrated with the establishment that just wasn't sufficient. And if HRC was anything it was that she was the establishment candidate.

She ran a crap campaign and couldn't even dig herself out of the long play smear campaign right-wing sources built against her. But let's not suggest she was an idiot who failed to understand how the presidential election worked or that she "lacked the energy".

[Ghostpanther]

Lol that's your argument?

I think it's fair to say she knew exactly what would get her elected, she was just a shit candidate that couldn't manage to get people to care enough to vote for her. Her big selling point was that she wasn't Trump. While that was plenty good enough for me, for others frustrated with the establishment that just wasn't sufficient. And if HRC was anything it was that she was the establishment candidate.

She ran a crap campaign and couldn't even dig herself out of the long play smear campaign right-wing sources built against her. But let's not suggest she was an idiot who failed to understand how the presidential election worked or that she "lacked the energy".

Nope. Was pointing out how popular vote does not win a election to be President. If it did, she would have been elected in spite of what you just said which I agree with. lol! But she also ignored some states, like Wisconsin. Trump ignored California because he knew he did not need to win it and saved his time and energy on winning the states he would need and had a chance to win.

[tyrlaan]

Nope. Was pointing out how popular vote does not win a election to be President. If it did, she would have been elected in spite of what you just said which I agree with. lol! But she also ignored some states, like Wisconsin. Trump ignored California because he knew he did not need to win it and saved his time and energy on winning the states he would need and had a chance to win.

That's running a crap campaign. It doesn't mean she doesn't understand how the system works. She made calculated decisions to ignore, for example, Wisconsin, and it was a bad decision.

I mean, let's be honest, one of her failings is this weird air about her that came across like she had already 'earned the right' to be president. I guarantee she made some over-confident missteps. But I still don't think it's accurate to say she doesn't get how it works.

And I wouldn't even say Trump ran a better or good campaign, it was just the perfect time for someone like him to give it a go. Yay us

[Mormolyce]

But Hillary did not understand it is not popular vote which would get her elected.

She's been in politics for decades, I assure you she knows how the EC works.

Trump on the other hand... I'm not sure he understands it at all.

[Smitzelplix]

Moore : Getting rid of the amendments past 10 would eliminate many problems.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/10/polit...men/index.html

Things Moore considers problems:

• Lack of slavery
• Black people voting
• Women voting
• 18 year olds voting
• DC being able to vote for the President
• Equal rights
• The constitution applying to the states
• Election of senators
• Presidents being limited to 2 terms
• Hillary not being vice president

What's really messed up about this is that the people he was telling this to are people who think a lot of the bad things that have happened in the US like 9/11 were false flag inside jobs carried out by the government. Also Moore brings up Hitler when talking to them about Obama.

[Mormolyce]

They weren't the minority in the vote that counted.

That makes absolutely no sense, fewer people voted Trump than Hillary, so you were in the minority period. The electoral college doesn't create imaginary voters, in fact what it does is randomly render millions of votes worthless.

There's an easy way to stop falling into this trap - stop bragging about how you won the election because your side convinced more people. It didn't.