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    Smile 'I miss my family. Angelika's like an aunt.' The Germans taking in refugees

    ngelika Bauer laughs as she remembers the first time her Syrian housemate Jawad Shalghin met her dog Bo. “He was a bit afraid because people tend not to keep dogs indoors in Syria, but they get on better now. Bo no longer barks when Jawad comes home, she has accepted him,” she says with a smile.

    The 63-year-old retired lawyer from Hamburg invited Shalghin, 21, to stay with her family a month ago, after she met his girlfriend Sahar through her volunteering work. He had fled from civil war in 2015 and was granted asylum in Germany a year later. He had a place to study business administration at Hamburg university but nowhere to live, so Bauer offered him a room for free.

    Retirees make up a core group of the volunteers helping to integrate the large number of refugees who have been arriving in Germany since 2015. In 2016 alone, 433,910 received refugee status through normal asylum channels, many of them from Syria, having made the perilous journey across the

    While there is no conclusive data on volunteer numbers, a study by the Bertelsmann Foundation said there could be anywhere between 500,000 and a million people helping the new arrivals settle in. Many of them, like Bauer, offer up their homes. The report noted a growing number of volunteers are retirees and a large proportion come from an academic background.

    Research by Olaf Kleist, at the Osnabrück-based Institute for Migration Research and Intercultural Studies shows that the number of volunteers who are over 60 has increased from 24% in 2014 to 40% last year. “In general older people can play a crucial role in integrating refugees into society. Not only do they provide contacts, knowledge and resources for refugees, they contribute also to the creation of an open immigrant society,” Kleist says. “That this transformation is carried out by pensioners refutes some misconceptions about older sections of society being more likely opposed to migration. In fact, one of the reasons why the integration of refugees in Germany succeeds is because of pensioners’ long-term commitment to supporting newcomers.”

    As well as offering up her house, Bauer spends about 10 to 20 hours a week working on various refugee projects in Hamburg, including Start with a Friend, a partly government-funded scheme that has matched 3,000 people arriving in Germany with residents by encouraging friendships and a support network. “When people are retired some go on the board of foundations or others play golf. But some, like me, will want to do something that give us a sense of purpose and keeps our minds active,” says Bauer. “We older people feel more obliged to keep to one thing and there is a fluctuation in young people as they move about or they go abroad to study and get a job,” she adds

    Jawad Shalghin: ‘Older people can understand us in a better way, they have patience. We have learned lots of cultural things from them – meals
    and songs’


    She also contributes to Fluechtling-magazin – a magazine written mainly by new arrivals into the country – set up by Hussam Al Zaher, a Syrian journalist who came to Germany as a refugee in 2015. Al Zaher says relationships with refugees and retirees can fit well. “For Syrians, family is the most important things. Our grandparents are the most important people, then our parents and so on. There is a saying, ‘(the person) who is one day older than you knows one year better than you’. We have a lot of respect for older people.”

    Shalghin, who says he and Bauer have taught each other a lot, says many new arrivals often find it easier to talk to older people. “They can understand us in a better way, they have patience. They can listen to us and wait until we get the right words and we have learned lots of cultural things from them: meals and songs.” While his older brother is in Germany, the rest of Shalghin’s family are still in Syria. “I miss my family but it is a comfort to have found Angelika. I see her like an aunt, somewhere between friend and family, I remember when I first arrived we went for a long walk by the big river Elbe with Bo the dog and with my girlfriend. It was after a storm and we talked a lot and saw lots of beautiful things. Another time she looked after me while I was sick, bringing me tea,” he says.

    The growing core of older volunteers is just one way that people are taking it upon themselves to help new arrivals in the country. Other innovations include an Airbnb-type scheme called Refugees Welcome that has helped 400 refugees find a home, a job-matching mobile platform that has 16,600 refugees signed up, and a coding school for refugees.

    These schemes, however, have their challenges. Mareike Geiling, founder of Refugees Welcome, says that with the rise of the popularity of the far-right AFD party their work has become more difficult. “This mood has led to fewer registrations of offers of accommodation on our website. Twenty thousand refugees are registered but we only have 15 available rooms per month. This is what makes our work difficult but we have matched lots of people successfully. This is what keeps us working.”

    In the UK far fewer Syrians have been accepted as refugees since 2015. In addition to conventional asylum applications – 9,944 of which were accepted last year (the majority from Iran, Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan) – the government has resettled 8,535 Syrian refugees referred directly by the UN High Commission for Refugees to the Home Office which performs eligibility, medical and security checks and then refers them on to local authorities. It has promised to welcome 20,000 Syrian refugees in this way by 2020.
    Supplementing this resettlement programme is a Canadian-style community sponsorship scheme, which is designed to help the public offer support to refugees through volunteering.
    8,000 Syrian refugees settle in UK following public call for action
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    One organisation supporting its development is the community-led organisation Citizens UK, which runs Sponsor Refugees. Those who want to be involved have to be a registered charity or align themselves with an umbrella charity. They must raise £9,000 and find accommodation for the refugee family before they arrive, as well as presenting a plan for how they will help new arrivals integrate.

    So far, only 12 families have come over via the scheme, but the hope is that a few thousand families will be sponsored annually. Tim Finch, director of Sponsor Refugees, says: “In the early days, it was taking about six months for the groups to establish themselves, submit an application and be assigned a refugee family but the process is getting quicker.” He adds: “In lots of parts of the country housing is scarce and expensive. That is maybe the single biggest obstacle, though groups do find imaginative ways to overcome it. Another challenge is the fact that people have to take on a big responsibility for a long period of time.”

    Finch believes that there are lessons to be learned from Germany’s response to the migration crisis, the biggest one being it shows the desire communities have to help. “Too often the kneejerk response of European governments is to assume that their voters want to keep refugees out. Angela Merkel’s response was different. But I don’t think the German government would have managed if it was left just to them. There is great power in the community. We want the government to make the most of that.”

    Eddy Hogg, lecturer in the Centre for Philanthropy at the University of Kent, says that politics can play a big part in leveraging the power of the community. “The German government has invested billions in housing and integrating asylum seekers. olunteering does not exist in a bubble. So in a country where there is broader political and public support for refugees then there are likely to be more volunteers offering to support volunteer organisations.”

    “One of the main lessons the UK can learn from Germany is the value of government investment,” he adds. “The best way to encourage voluntary action is to set the lead by funding something, by saying this is something worthwhile.”

    Bauer agrees: “Integration can only work if there is no fear and everyone is open-minded and willing to learn from each other. Me and Jawad have shown what can be achieved when this happens.”

    A Home Office spokeswoman says: “This government is committed to supporting vulnerable refugees who are caught up in conflict and danger and, in 2016, the UK resettled more refugees than any other country in the EU [through the UNHCR resettlement programme]. We have pledged to resettle up to 3,000 vulnerable children and family members from the Middle East and North Africa as well as 20,000 refugees affected by the Syrian conflict by 2020. “But we are clear that we do not want to incentivise perilous journeys to Europe
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...yrian-refugees

    What a beautiful story. For the growing number of seniors, this is a wonderful way to give back and help others.

    Hopefully other countries can follow suit. Instead of promoting hate, intolerance and discontent, channel the free time of your citizens to helping others. This way society benefits as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennis View Post
    Hopefully other countries can follow suit. Instead of promoting hate, intolerance and discontent, channel the free time of your citizens to helping others. This way society benefits as a whole.
    Reminds me of an elderly guy in my area who used to go out of his way to help the homeless population we have around here. He even went so far as to let a few of these people into his home to use his internet to contact family members and eat his food.

    A few months ago he was beaten to death by one of the people he was trying to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uhavetogoback View Post
    would you let refugees live in your house? why haven't you let them live in your house yet?
    Seems irrelevant to this topic. Plus my personal life is personal.

    Focus on yourself mate not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uhavetogoback View Post
    would you let refugees live in your house? why haven't you let them live in your house yet?
    Of course not. I pay taxes. The state should take these taxes to finance housing for refugees and native homeless people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennis View Post
    Focus on yourself mate not me.
    Ironic considering every one of your threads is you telling people what you do. As mentioned practice what you preach or be silent

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    I'm still waiting for that "feel good" high morality, just because!, moron to wilfully let refugees live in one of her houses... she's like a celebrity telling us to be green, while driving a hummer. She doesn't have to put up with what Joe regular has to...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elba View Post
    Of course not. I pay taxes. The state should take these taxes to finance housing for refugees and native homeless people.

    Cute, since you refuse to do anything yourself to help.
    But this isn't anything new from you Elba. Speaking on a podium that the government should take care of the world.

    The government cannot handle everything and it often comes down to the people be the change they desire to see.
    [Insert Infraction Here]

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    Tennisace your fake narative is more and more see through. At this point people see refugees and liberals for what they are!
    More and more turn to the far right. News about far right became mainstream, the whole movement.

    Where there is free speech and no banning and censoring based on opinion, the far right crushes any left-wing speakers by both quality and quantity.


    And i expect the far right to understand that the refugee waves were just the result of liberalism and left-wing policies. Liberalism is the source of all problems, and should be blamed and judged as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennis View Post
    Hopefully other countries can follow suit.
    Hopefully they won't.

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    Cute, since you refuse to do anything yourself to help.
    But this isn't anything new from you Elba. Speaking on a podium that the government should take care of the world.

    The government cannot handle everything and it often comes down to the people be the change they desire to see.
    Infracted for being stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennis View Post
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...yrian-refugees

    What a beautiful story. For the growing number of seniors, this is a wonderful way to give back and help others.

    Hopefully other countries can follow suit. Instead of promoting hate, intolerance and discontent, channel the free time of your citizens to helping others. This way society benefits as a whole.
    What a beatiful story, just like a Disney story. The reality is more like daily assaults, rapes and theft everywhere in Germany. Even I as grown up man am afraid of going outdoors alone when its dark. Not even talking about my kids or other family members.

    What the fuck are you trying to promote with this bullshit? Anyone who lives in Germany knows the reality, and they voted for CHANGE. Merkels party is in a free fall following the last 2-3 opinion researches.

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    I refuse to welcome those whose very religion calls for my death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beardless Man View Post
    Cute, since you refuse to do anything yourself to help.
    But this isn't anything new from you Elba. Speaking on a podium that the government should take care of the world.

    The government cannot handle everything and it often comes down to the people be the change they desire to see.
    As I said, I pay taxes. Do you pave your own roads, deliver your own mail, catch your own criminals, fight fires, provide your own health care, educate your children yourself, test your own food? No?

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    Just think, in a generation these refugees’ children could be in control of the EU wide military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elba View Post
    As I said, I pay taxes. Do you pave your own roads, deliver your own mail, catch your own criminals, fight fires, provide your own health care, educate your children yourself, test your own food? No?
    In Germanys case they use up all taxes to feed those foreign criminals instead of like improving retirement pension (old people in Germany have to collect returnable bottles/cans to survive). Instead of educated specialists oneself, we import low-budget scammers from Syria, etc to fill in much needed medical/nursing staff and other specialists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allybeboba View Post
    Just think, in a generation these refugees’ children will be in control of the EU wide military.
    In Berlin, big Muslim clans are already taking over police schools. Not even joking. Most of the police students cant even speak german fluently and have police record.

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    In Berlin, big Muslim clans are already taking over police schools. Not even joking. Most of the police students cant even speak german fluently and have police record.
    Don’t hear too much about that on the r/MMOC channel. Doesn’t fit the narrative I suppose.

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    Yeah people can do that if they want, but no way i'd let some random person live in my house. I wouldn't let a random person who has similar cultural beliefs to me live in my house.. so yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UcanDoSht View Post
    In Germanys case they use up all taxes to feed those foreign criminals instead of like improving retirement pension (old people in Germany have to collect returnable bottles/cans to survive). Instead of educated specialists oneself, we import low-budget scammers from Syria, etc to fill in much needed medical/nursing staff and other specialists.

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    In Berlin, big Muslim clans are already taking over police schools. Not even joking. Most of the police students cant even speak german fluently and have police record.
    1.) Having relatives who work in healthcare themselves, even at management level, I can assure you that native Germans are still preferred however they are rather at their limits. The reason why they are struggling is because usually they filled ranks with young people who chose to work in civilian services instead in the army when Germany still had conscription (I too worked for two years as a nurse). However since then they have been struggling because the need for healthcare services has increased dramatically and will continue to do so due to aging population, many older healthcare workers becoming pensioners themselves and lacking good trainees. It's not an attractive business after all. They had been training from abroad since a while (>5-7 years) but Germany was always rather complicated country to migrate to legally for work purposes and therefore it has been inattractive to work here, even for people from the EU. The myth that they are using untrained refugees is just that: a myth. You can't work there without training and guidance, except for home care and that part is in tight grip of Eastern European "care" mafia gangs.

    2.) The police ought to be run by people with high integrity. That it hasn't been the case is shown by the examples of clan members of various organisations and nazis joining their ranks. It's a lax practice going on which seems to be dominated by their regional equivalents of misunderstood tolerance. However that the problem is a rampant one is again a myth, in my region you are supposed to address policemen by doing the Hitler salute first. I recommend not doing that though even though people really fell for that actually.
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    Im down for taking in a refugee providing shes cute and can make good kebabs
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    No thanks, we shouldn't be taking any.

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