FCC to vote on scrapping Net Neutrality

[PC2]

Especially with our ISP bills they shall truly be innovative and like nothing we've seen before!

Yeah I'm looking forward to the new customizations and the legalization of data prioritization.

[kail]

Finally ISPs are free from the stifling NN regulations. Now they can form better business models. We're entering a new era of innovation!

What innovations exactly?

[PC2]

What innovations exactly?

New types of options that weren't possible before. For example paying for your content to be prioritized above data hogs like Google and Netflix. Unless of course they pay the ISPs more, which is good for funding the internet.

[breadisfunny]

i thought the vote was tomorrow not today.

[Kujako]

Finally ISPs are free from the stifling NN regulations. Now they can form better business models. We're entering a new era of innovation!

Nothing was stopping you from paying more for less access before... why didn't you if you think it's such a great idea?

[Cthulhu 2020]

If there isn't money behind right wing content and the viewership then indeed they will fail. Nothing of value will have been lost. On places like YouTube most right wing content already gets demonetized, scrapping NN wont make much of a difference.

It seems you don't understand. Net neutrality ensured that anyone could have open access to the internet, and considered access to the internet like a constitutionally enshrined right. But since it was just a regulation, it's far more fragile and easier to get rid of.

Internet companies will have the right to now bar people and companies from use of the internet, and internet companies already hold monopolies in a lot of areas. Just "having money" won't cut it any more with net neutrality scrapped. You were complaining earlier in the thread about providers causing right wing censorship by banning people from their sites. Getting rid of net neutrality - I repeat - gives internet companies the ability to ban people and companies from their service, which is gonna be funny as fuck when it turns around and bars certain people from the internet and they start screaming about censorship like they do with twitter. Internet companies already squish the competition, and again, have monopolies in most areas, so RIP everyone having free and open access to the internet

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Yeah I'm looking forward to the new customizations and the legalization of data prioritization.

I'm looking forward to getting Breitbart access away from people personally, that's one up side to the end of NN.

[PC2]

It seems you don't understand. Net neutrality ensured that anyone could have open access to the internet, and considered access to the internet like a constitutionally enshrined right. But since it was just a regulation, it's far more fragile and easier to get rid of.

Internet companies will have the right to now bar people and companies from use of the internet, and internet companies already hold monopolies in a lot of areas. Just "having money" won't cut it any more with net neutrality scrapped. You were complaining earlier in the thread about providers causing right wing censorship by banning people from their sites. Getting rid of net neutrality - I repeat - gives internet companies the ability to ban people and companies from their service, which is gonna be funny as fuck when it turns around and bars certain people from the internet and they start screaming about censorship like they do with twitter. Internet companies already squish the competition, and again, have monopolies in most areas, so RIP everyone having free and open access to the internet

Data is money and vice versa. It's got nothing to do with left or right wing politics. If the money exists for it, there will always be a way to get the service.

[kail]

New types of options that weren't possible before. For example paying for your content to be prioritized above data hogs like Google and Netflix. Unless of course they pay the ISPs more, which is good for funding the internet.

So in other words, provide Internet access via microtransactions. Such innovation...

[Kujako]

Data is money and vice versa. It's got nothing to do with left or right wing politics. If the money exists for it, there will always be a way to get the service.

OK... since your data is being download on my computer using my internet service, what's your address so I can send you a bill?

[PC2]

OK... since your data is being download on my computer using my internet service, what's your address so I can send you a bill?

Are you talking about MMOChamp? The data from what you see is coming from their server, not from mine.

[Kujako]

Are you talking about MMOChamp? The data from what you see is coming from their server, not from mine.

So you're saying that MMOChampion is some sort of "common carrier"?

[PC2]

So you're saying that MMOChampion is some sort of "common carrier"?

They have a server where the data is integrated, but they don't relay the data like a carrier.

[Elegiac]

New types of options that weren't possible before. For example paying for your content to be prioritized above data hogs like Google and Netflix. Unless of course they pay the ISPs more, which is good for funding the internet.

And in this post you have completely lost the right to complain about policy which is harmful for small businesses.

[Lahis]

Finally ISPs are free from the stifling NN regulations. Now they can form better business models. We're entering a new era of innovation!

Removing NN kills all innovation related to the internet, but you are too dense corporate shill motherfucker to ever notice that.

[PC2]

And in this post you have completely lost the right to complain about policy which is harmful for small businesses.

Okay, conservatives need to cut the "small business is a virtue" mentality. It made sense in the past, but the 21st century is a battle of economies of scale. If a new small business has an innovative idea, I would expect them to be acquired. They would have to have an extremely great idea to become the next Facebook or Google.

[Elegiac]

Okay, conservatives need to cut the "small business is a virtue" mentality. It made sense in the past, but the 21st century is a battle of economies of scale. If a new small business has an innovative idea, I would expect them to be acquired. They would have to have an extremely great idea to become the next Facebook or Google.

Hint: The 'innovative ideas' that will be acquired and implemented will be those that favor the acquiring entity, not the general public.

[Waniou]

Interesting wee thing I found about Net Neutrality.

I'm a fairly regular visitor to the website SFDebris, which just does reviews/whatever of mostly Sci Fi stuff with a bit of other things. Being a review site, YouTube is pretty much a no go because everything is instaflagged because YouTube has no idea how to handle fair use, so they use other, smaller video players. Originally this was blip, blip closed down because they had no money, I think they jumped between a few before settling on vid.me before that announced it was closing down and have finally settled on vimeo because it meets all of their criteria.

One of the criteria was this:

-likely survival of net neutrality repeal (they're large enough that they would likely be able to prevent degradation of playback by throttling ISPs)

In other words, they needed a video site that was big enough to not be screwed over by Net Neutrality being repealed. The owner of the site didn't state this in a political way, merely in an economic "this is a thing I need to consider to ensure the longevity of my site" way. This is the "innovation" of Net Neutrality repeal here. A website having to reject smaller video sites in favour of larger ones.

(Full statement from SF Debris here)

[Felya]

New types of options that weren't possible before. For example paying for your content to be prioritized above data hogs like Google and Netflix. Unless of course they pay the ISPs more, which is good for funding the internet.

Netflix pays ISPs to host their servers in a datacenter, while their UI is housed at Amazon’s AWS. What you are asking for already exists, while the result of what you are supporting, would mean your Netflix menu will be slowed down, since AWS would be impacted, if Wal-Mart paid for priority over Amazon.

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Are you talking about MMOChamp? The data from what you see is coming from their server, not from mine.

It’s more fun than that. Every time you hit a page you posted on, you’d be paying to read your own post... over... and over... and over again...

[PC2]

Hint: The 'innovative ideas' that will be acquired and implemented will be those that favor the acquiring entity, not the general public.

The acquiring entity isn't evil or bad though. A new idea isn't automatically better than the status quo and the megacorps still have to be judicious with their acquisitions if they want to stay competitive over the long run.

[Felya]

The acquiring entity isn't evil or bad though. A new idea isn't automatically better than the status quo and the megacorps still have to be judicious with their acquisitions if they want to stay competitive over the long run.

Which until there is any sort of campaign finance reform, will always mean lobbying to get the ability to charge more, will result in better outcome than spending more on innovation that might fail.