'Retweeting Britain First was the wrong thing to do'

[Kuntantee]

I am not interested in your Asian xenophobia presented as something sane and normal.

Let me repeat myself:

Anyone who troubles himself/herself for immigrants growing to %30 from %3 in 80 years, and calls it a problem has a fucked up mind. Instead of focusing on integration problems, these racist and disgusting people focus on phenotypes.

Folks, USA exist in this universe and last time I checked, they had PLENTY of black/asian "immigrants".

[Freighter]

I am not interested in your Asian xenophobia presented as something sane and normal.

Let me repeat myself:

Anyone who troubles himself/herself for immigrants growing to %30 from %3 in 80 years, and calls it a problem has a fucked up mind. Instead of focusing on integration problems, these racist and disgusting people focus on phenotypes.

Folks, USA exist in this universe and last time I checked, they had PLENTY of black/asian "immigrants".

No, you're in no position to say someone has a fucked up mind just for not adhering to the same ideas as you. You're not a psychiatrist.

[Deleted]

I am not interested in your Asian xenophobia presented as something sane and normal.

Let me repeat myself:

Anyone who troubles himself/herself for immigrants growing to %30 from %3 in 80 years, and calls it a problem has a fucked up mind. Instead of focusing on integration problems, these racist and disgusting people focus on phenotypes.

Folks, USA exist in this universe and last time I checked, they had PLENTY of black/asian "immigrants".

Go tell that to the people of Lebanon - that is the not so distant future of most of the western European countries.

[Kuntantee]

Go tell that to the people of Lebanon - that is the not so distant future of most of the western European countries.

Are you talking about latest refugee streams?

[Sliske]

That's not nonsensical, there are very valid concerns to becoming a minority in your own country. One of the more pressing concerns is losing political power as you become the minority instead of majority.

This is the result of mass unchecked immigration. This doesn't happen unless you have a borderline 'open borders' policy like Sweden has.

This also isn't a problem if the people coming to your country are assimilating to your culture, the issue begins when the people coming to your country are not interested in a change of culture (Muslims typically) and do not feel pressure to do so (because of Socialism). In America, for example, an immigrant has to learn the language or they will fail. Simple as. You cannot get a job without learning English and if you don't have a job, you don't have healthcare or a house and if you don't have healthcare or a house you are fucked.

Compare this to the UK, were an immigrant does not have to learn English. They will simply have a translator present at their welfare meeting. They do not have to get a job, because the government will pay for their food, house, electric, heating and healthcare. These people feel zero pressure to change their culture and so ghettos form, like we see in Birmingham or Luton, where most of the suburbs are one non-native culture that treats itself like it is separate from the country at large (in some cases instating sharia courts), while reaping the benefits of the country at large(welfare, police protection, shit, even just roads that aren't filled with land mines.)

This is a massive problem with a pretty simple solution - you must be in the country at least 5 years before you qualify for benefits.

Back to my original point: This also isn't a problem if the people coming to your country are assimilating to your culture.

This is simply true, there are plenty of ethnicities in the UK for example that assimilate well into the UK culture - Indians, Pakistanis, Poles, Irish, French, Germans, Americans, Chinese and many more - these folks by in large adopt the majority of UK culture. They speak the language, they work for their money, they respect our laws and they do not try to go above the law by making their own laws. They don't form ghettos and they aren't tribalistic. They consider themselves British first, then Indian or then Polish.

I would honestly not give a shit if the UK became majority Indian some time in 2050. The fact that Indians have assimilated well into the culture and thrived within it is a shining example of how great the Western, 1st world is. These people have become British as part of their identity.

I would fucking hate it if the UK became majority Muslim in 2050, though, because every core tenant of the Islamic faith directly contradicts what we value as British people - Equality, Innocent until proven guilty, freedom of speech (although this one is getting battered atm), freedom of religion, anti death penalty, anti capital punishment.

The UK would not be the UK if it was majority Muslim, because Muslims bring their culture with them and hold onto it tightly and that would be a sad sight to see.

[Acidbaron]

He's talking about immigrants outbreeding "Norwegians". That's genetic/ethnic purism dude, not integration problems as you think.

That is going to happen but nations do change over time, however the importance in preventing that is to look at what is the cause of immigration. And often these individuals who think like him are also the first to shout we shouldn't be sending foreign aid or stabilizing the region there since it's "their problem". While in reality it is our problem if we find immigration streams to being an issue. What i find that most people do.

[Deleted]

I pretty much doubt that Trump even looked up the person he was retweeting does videos from.

Fairly sure ignorance of the law is not usually considered as an excuse?

[PaterMDx]

If he wasn't a world leader you may have a point but he is and as such represents your nation

world leader, hahahahahahahahahahha
america never won a war by their own. russia did, so did england, germany and france.
and by the way, american soldiers a weak crybabies, we had some stationed here in germany, poor guys got beaten uo, pissed on and draged over the field.
well that happens if you rape a girl, your whole team gets rekt.

i see youre from england, i bet england on its own would do some pretty damage to the usa in a 1v1.
trump isnt a "world leader" neither was that potaddict yarack obama.

[Deleted]

Are you talking about latest refugee streams?

My post was in reply to your statement, hence you should be able to deduct the context from that.

It is beyond ignorant to claim that you - as a citizen of whichever country - should never be troubled with a major influx of people with _fundamentally different_ beliefs and social order, who also in the majority have no intentions of integration. Instead they create their own social circles in your own country and patiently wait for a shift in demographics that will enable them to enforce THEIR beliefs and THEIR laws ONTO you. If that doesn't trouble you, then you are either ignorant, or just plain stupid.

[Glordif]

This whole thing goes a long way to demonstrate why and how trump managed to get into power, and why he just might hold onto it in the next election. The whole thing is being blown out of proportion by people looking to score political points with voters who already agreed with them.

First of all I've only seen a portion of the video, and from what I can understand it shows a group of Muslims attacking a non Muslim. Not very uncommon in the world, and not very anti Muslim if the video shows everything there is to see. This video (which is an actual event that happened) could only be anti Muslim if there is context we hadn't seen. Maybe the non Muslim threw a firework at them?

Second Trump is either a political genius or a moron, and lets be honest it's the latter. I highly doubt Trump even knew who Britain First was. I'm from Britain, and up until recently thought I was reasonably well informed on British Politics, but I had never even heard of Britain First. I suspect a lot of people in Britain hadn't. The only outrage you could have is if you thought Trump knew who this group was, and wanted to promote them. I don't think this is the case at all, and the drama that has ensued has only done the group wonders.
Britain has had a few far right groups over the last 2-3 decades. The BNP was the first, then they were superseded by UKIP, almost the same but with a singular focus. After Brexit, UKIP (being a one issue party) would most likely have died at the next election. Now however we have a new group that the media is saying is endorsed by the US president. A great option for your vote at the next general election if you voted for either two of the first parties.

If you really wanted to believe Trump knew who he was re-tweeting, he actually re-tweeted the wrong Theresa May. Not the prime minister some woman from the north of England.

The fact is these overblown non issues only help Trump. They provide cover for the real issues with Trump, his government, his policies and his connection to foreign powers. Then even in the end when they don't, there are so many issue overblown and people trying to show boat, that when you get to a real issue people just don't care anymore.
It's shoddy polities and poor journalism.

[Kuntantee]

My post was in reply to your statement, hence you should be able to deduct the context from that.

It is beyond ignorant to claim that you - as a citizen of whichever country - should never be troubled with a major influx of people with _fundamentally different_ beliefs and social order, who also in the majority have no intentions of integration. Instead they create their own social circles in your own country and patiently wait for a shift in demographics that will enable them to enforce THEIR beliefs and THEIR laws ONTO you. If that doesn't trouble you, then you are either ignorant, or just plain stupid.

So you do not know what context are you talking about? My post was a reply to some guy complaining about a long term population growth. We are talking about 80 years. And the group he calls as "immigrant" are Norwegian citizens. It's hilarious that Europeans still do not label immigrants of 3rd generation with nationalities, like "Norwegian", "German", whatever. Half of the problem is your problematic culture.

I never claimed massive demographic changes in short periods of time is a good thing.

[Acidbaron]

This is the result of mass unchecked immigration. This doesn't happen unless you have a borderline 'open borders' policy like Sweden has.

This also isn't a problem if the people coming to your country are assimilating to your culture, the issue begins when the people coming to your country are not interested in a change of culture (Muslims typically) and do not feel pressure to do so (because of Socialism). In America, for example, an immigrant has to learn the language or they will fail. Simple as. You cannot get a job without learning English and if you don't have a job, you don't have healthcare or a house and if you don't have healthcare or a house you are fucked.

Compare this to the UK, were an immigrant does not have to learn English. They will simply have a translator present at their welfare meeting. They do not have to get a job, because the government will pay for their food, house, electric, heating and healthcare. These people feel zero pressure to change their culture and so ghettos form, like we see in Birmingham or Luton, where most of the suburbs are one non-native culture that treats itself like it is separate from the country at large (in some cases instating sharia courts), while reaping the benefits of the country at large(welfare, police protection, shit, even just roads that aren't filled with land mines.)

This is a massive problem with a pretty simple solution - you must be in the country at least 5 years before you qualify for benefits.

Back to my original point: This also isn't a problem if the people coming to your country are assimilating to your culture.

This is simply true, there are plenty of ethnicities in the UK for example that assimilate well into the UK culture - Indians, Pakistanis, Poles, Irish, French, Germans, Americans, Chinese and many more - these folks by in large adopt the majority of UK culture. They speak the language, they work for their money, they respect our laws and they do not try to go above the law by making their own laws. They don't form ghettos and they aren't tribalistic. They consider themselves British first, then Indian or then Polish.

I would honestly not give a shit if the UK became majority Indian some time in 2050. The fact that Indians have assimilated well into the culture and thrived within it is a shining example of how great the Western, 1st world is. These people have become British as part of their identity.

I would fucking hate it if the UK became majority Muslim in 2050, though, because every core tenant of the Islamic faith directly contradicts what we value as British people - Equality, Innocent until proven guilty, freedom of speech (although this one is getting battered atm), freedom of religion, anti death penalty, anti capital punishment.

The UK would not be the UK if it was majority Muslim, because Muslims bring their culture with them and hold onto it tightly and that would be a sad sight to see.

I disagree with that notion, all this does is create more problems then solve them. I find we need to stop looking at extreme solutions and expecting them to solve things fast.

Nothing will be solved fast and i'm all for adding requirements to benefits, the same as i'm for doing that for locals. We should require them to do one of two things or even both that is learning the language, familiarizing them with our systems and learning a job or applying for a job based on their knowledge and skills.
Your idea is based on fantasy, fantasy that suddenly immigration will stop of those you don't want and based on the notion that we can suddenly prevent any and all immigration.

Illegal courts, prayer houses and so forth and i know of the problem in Birmingham, those things should be abolished, hate preachers and people who want to import a certain ideology removed and send back home. In my book extreme measures can be taken on that front since these people who promote salafism do not belong here, they do not respect our ways they do not respect our society and are as you say purely here to have a better life and these people are not only a disruptive and problematic element for non muslims they also are for muslims. How can we expect them to become moderate if the people teaching Islam are trained and recruited from SA? We cannot and that needs to stop and ideally should have been stopped a decade ago.

You speak of assimilation, i find that to be the wrong way. People will adjust and indians didn't assimilated they integrated. They did so easily because of it being a former colony. Assimilation won't work, unless you believe the way forward is to abolish everything not part of the country you belong to and purge out, yes purge out everything else, since you'll need to use violence to do so. And all you obtain through those measures is a few more extremist groups, that nobody wants.

[Deleted]

So you do not know what context are you talking about? My post was a reply to some guy complaining about a long term population growth. We are talking about 80 years. And the group he calls as "immigrant" are Norwegian citizens.

So next fucking time, read posts then respond.

I never claimed massive demographic changes in short periods of time is a good thing.

There is no such thing as massive demographic shifts in short periods of time, you fucking imbecile. Do you even comprehend the word demographics? 80 years seems a bit long, I'd say Europe has one more generation to go, if this trend continues.

(Infracted) ~ Minor Flaming

[Kuntantee]

There is no such thing as massive demographic shifts in short periods of time, you fucking imbecile. Do you even comprehend the word demographics? 80 years seems a bit long, I'd say Europe has one more generation to go, if this trend continues.

demographic
ˌdɛməˈɡrafɪk/
adjective
adjective: demographic

1.
relating to the structure of populations.
"the demographic trend is towards an older population"

noun
noun: demographic; plural noun: demographics

1.
a particular sector of a population.
"the drink is popular with a young demographic"

From wiki:

Demography (from prefix demo- from Ancient Greek δῆμος dēmos meaning "the people", and -graphy from γράφω graphō, implies "writing, description or measurement"[1]) is the statistical study of populations, especially human beings. As a very general science, it can analyze any kind of dynamic living population, i.e., one that changes over time or space (see population dynamics). Demography encompasses the study of the size, structure, and distribution of these populations, and spatial or temporal changes in them in response to birth, migration, aging, and death.

An example to massive demographic change in short periods of time: Germany taking 1 million refugees. Turkey taking 4 million refugees.

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When your IQ is 2 digit, but you still try to act like a genius.

[Deleted]

Now use your 1 digit IQ and deduct the correlation between a shift in demographics and ability to take over the government of a given country (which is why I pointed you to the history of Lebanon, to which you are of course oblivious). Those are the numbers being discussed here and yes - it happens slowly - which is why it happens in the first place, because otherwise even idiots like you would be able to catch on.

[Kuntantee]

Now use your 1 digit IQ and deduct the correlation between a shift in demographics and ability to take over the government of a given country (which is why I pointed you to the history of Lebanon, to which you are of course oblivious). Those are the numbers being discussed here and yes - it happens slowly - which is why it happens in the first place, because otherwise even idiots like you would be able to catch on.

You, my friend, are destroyed.

[Deleted]

[Ielenia]

Much more in the link but shouldn't Trump have his verified status removed from Twitter if they're cracking down on such views Tweeting

... Do you even know what the 'verified status' checkmark is, on Twitter? It's not an endorsement from Twitter. It's simply a confirmation that this person is who they claim they are. It has nothing to do with endorsing or supporting someone's opinions.

[Draco-Onis]

Not really, it's pretty much the exact opposite. First generation integrated the best, second generation was worse and now third generation is pure shit. It's not getting better, it's getting worse.

You've been around for 3 generation of immigrants to grow into adulthood....

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Actually the problem is now with the later generations, that's what i am getting at. There's a serious disconnect between them and the nation they live in. They are still very much more connected to the roots of their grand parents, what in itself is not bad but they are importing their problems over here, their political conflicts, they are also among the highest groups of unemployment and lower education.

So something is going wrong and for me it's more the what then the who.

Imagine you and 5K of your countrymen being send to China with no way of going back home, how many generations would it take for you to completely disconnect from your roots? how about your children?

This is from anecdotal evidence so take it what you will.

1st generation - some speak the language most don't have a hard time intergrate.

2nd generation - speak fluently have some attachment from their parents but much better then the first sometimes confused and rebelious.

3rd generation - mostly disconnected from the first though some are.

This is not something that happens in one human lifetime so I don't think you are being realistic.

[grexly75]

If anything he represents a nation's inability to pick a good leader or even have a decent electoral system.

The problem was that both of their candidates were/are total garbage.. The one thing that can be said of Trump though is that he is not afraid to say what he thinks even if it is seen as dumb and stupid by many..