Is Firearms Ownership in the US becoming a Cult?

[Slant]

You may live in fear, but I don't. My house is in order.

That's usually what they say before they find out that kids are curious and terribly ingenious at getting to places they shouldn't be getting to and playing with things they shouldn't be playing with.

[Theinquisition]

Yep. That showed us. Big boy. We're cowed now.

Well, it doesn't take much to cow Europeans. All the masculinity was killed off 80 years ago

[shadowmouse]

@Ghostpanther You're very obviously deflecting. It is also pretty obvious you don't really read things and just parrot a set of talking points.

1) Children in that study were in a household with gun owners. Trying to eyewash that away is disingenuous. You pick out one line of a quote, and completely fail to address why I even noted that.

2) Now go back and address the points I made instead of trying to do a magician's pass and say "look over there, Japan!" Those veterans weren't from the Japanese defense force, they were American veterans. Who died. By suicide. With a gun.

Here's a further look at guns and suicide: https://www.thetrace.org/2015/11/gun...ss-statistics/

Suicide accounts for more than two-thirds of the 32,000 firearms deaths the United States averages every year. Or, to come at the issue a different way: Suicide is the second-leading cause of death for Americans aged 15 to 34, and more than 50 percent of cases involve guns. A big reason for the prevalence of firearms in suicides is the deadliness of guns themselves: When a firearm is used in a suicide attempt, there’s an 85 percent chance of it being successful. Whatever numbers you look at, they point to a significant public health problem.

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Does that mean access to a firearm is really only a risk factor for people showing clear signs of mental illness?

No, because suicides are often impulsive, meaning that there’s a very short time between the decision and the action. Seventy-five percent of suicides occur in the home, and many are also fueled by alcohol, which decreases inhibitions and increases impulsivity. With or without mental illness, someone could be sitting at home, going through a crisis. For kids, that tends to be an emotional or a relationship crisis, for adults it’s often a financial or marital crisis, and for older adults, it happens to be medical problems, especially dementia.

So, you have a person sitting at home, who may have some alcohol in their system, and they may impulsively decide that they’re going to kill themselves. Well, to do that, they’re going to use what’s at hand. And there are guns in over a third of the households in the United States, making them both lethal and easily accessible.

That's usually what they say before they find out that kids are curious and terribly ingenious at getting to places they shouldn't be getting to and playing with things they shouldn't be playing with.

Thanks for saving me the comment.

[Slant]

Well, it doesn't take much to cow Europeans. All the masculinity was killed off 80 years ago

That "whoosh" you just heard was the point missing you. Sarcasm isn't your strongest suit, is it?

Also, did you just imply that the only masculinity in Europe were nazis? I mean, hey I get a good insult, but really... try to think about it the next time you crack a wise ass one like that. :P

[a1derful1]

That's usually what they say before they find out that kids are curious and terribly ingenious at getting to places they shouldn't be getting to and playing with things they shouldn't be playing with.

I know. I was a kid once. Quite the terror too. Also had a cabinet full of guns that were loaded and didn't touch them. Just because some people thin out their own herds, it doesn't mean we all do.

[Mayia]

I don't think being active in an organization with charismatic leaders is enough to say something is a cult or has the potential of becoming one.

Cult:

The first definition probably explains why you're making the connection. I bet the Chinese have an entirely different outlook on guns. After immersing yourself in their culture and smashing some of their ladies, the attitudes from your home country seem strange/sinister.

Hyperbole is common in politics. I wouldn't take a lot of political statements at face value. If they seem out of touch, they probably are.

This ^ its like comparing a hobby to a cult its just silly and makes you look stupid imo.

There are people who think people love their guns more than their lives and there might be one or two people in the 4 to 5? billion people on the planet but there are more people who think they are jesus its a meaningless statement and says more about the person who would believe more people are like that than the people who need help.

In every group there are all types of people trying to say X group has people who are all X is pointless humans aren't a collective as much as the left wishes it was.

The right to arms was mostly to avoid the gov being the only people with guns and being able to take control of the country geez i wonder when the last times the people in charge with military might killed millions of innocent people because they didn't have the means to defend themselves?

Russia.. China.. Nazi Germany..
But it'd never happen today, Until it does.
Luckily i live in a country i don't really need to worry about these issues but if i lived in the US i'd own a gun within a second.

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That's usually what they say before they find out that kids are curious and terribly ingenious at getting to places they shouldn't be getting to and playing with things they shouldn't be playing with.

it seems like a shame you didn't think of drinking the bleach when you were a kid then huh?

You realise our parents were raised with far less protections and worrying? being raised on a farm if you were stupid enough you could get kicked by a horse and killed.. i'd say that is much more dangerous than a firearm.

[shadowmouse]

Just because some people thin out their own herds, it doesn't mean we all do.

Translation: Bad things happen to other people, it wouldn't happen to me. Well, except for maybe someone might get past three dogs, a decent security system, and overlapping coverage from my neighbors. That could happen to me so I am OK with raising the danger to my daughter.

/facepalm

I would guess your cousin grew up in a similar way to you, and a way similar to what you propose for raising your daughter. May you never have to revisit a similar tragedy, but I hope you'll think about the implications. Suicide is impulsive. There may not be warning signs that you can catch in time. She won't be two forever.

[Stardrift]

Not, not really.

As a gun owner and proponent of the 2nd amendment, I value my rights. The 2nd amendment isn't about hunting, sport, or even home defense, it's about the citizens maintaining the right to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. We are a very individualistic society which values personal liberties and safety.

The NRA, at it's core is about a large group of gun owners pooling their voices and monetary resources together to lobby congress to protect their rights, just the same as any other lobbying group. I'm not even a NRA member, but I can understand their mission.

We live in a Age where Some in America are willing to limit freedoms in the name of safety, or perceived safety, it's no surprise that it has people on edge.

I don't know.. What you just shit out your mouth sounds very cultish to me.

[Theinquisition]

I don't know.. What you just shit out your mouth sounds very cultish to me.

Well luckily no one important cares about your opinion

[Stardrift]

Well luckily no one important cares about your opinion

Nobody of any sort of importance should care about any kind of opinion on the internet about gun laws and rights. They're busy doing something.. Well, important and worth while.

Besides, you tote your right to defend yourself just as bad as you tote your guns around. Anyone has the right to voice their opinion on it. The freedom of speech, no? Since you're so very into freedom and rights. Or are you only into the cool ones, like gunz n bullets n killing (totally in self defence), right?

[prwraith]

Not becoming..is.

[Theinquisition]

Nobody of any sort of importance should care about any kind of opinion on the internet about gun laws and rights. They're busy doing something.. Well, important and worth while.

Besides, you tote your right to defend yourself just as bad as you tote your guns around. Anyone has the right to voice their opinion on it. The freedom of speech, no? Since you're so very into freedom and rights. Or are you only into the cool ones, like gunz n bullets n killing (totally in self defence), right?

No, you have your freedom of speech, I just don't really care.

I mean let's be honest, when you wrote your comment, you weren't looking for a structured civilized discussion. You already have your opinion of me and my beliefs formed, which is fine, doesn't mean i have to give two shits about it.

[Mayia]

Translation: Bad things happen to other people, it wouldn't happen to me. Well, except for maybe someone might get past three dogs, a decent security system, and overlapping coverage from my neighbors. That could happen to me so I am OK with raising the danger to my daughter.

/facepalm

I would guess your cousin grew up in a similar way to you, and a way similar to what you propose for raising your daughter. May you never have to revisit a similar tragedy, but I hope you'll think about the implications. Suicide is impulsive. There may not be warning signs that you can catch in time. She won't be two forever.

Sure taking away guns might help people who try to commit suicide live through an attempt if they are forced to find some other method, but do you have the numbers on those other methods perhaps what is the survival rate for hangings drownings cutting your wrists? shall we ban knives, ropes and water next?

As for guns + children, I do think people who own firearms and have children must walk a fine line between access and protection for said child and teach said child to be safe, but we are talking about similar risks to having a small child near any choking hazzard, what if you live on a farm? young child around large animals is very dangerous, anywhere you go there are dangers to children if we assume all parents are idiots who leave guns laying around loaded next to their childrens toys, then why not also assume the bleach is right next to the orange juice in the fridge? or the parents allow their balls to roll out onto the open road.

When you start assuming a bunch of bullshit you can say anything you want but that doesn't always make it true.
Guns are dangerous, as are many many many other things.

The same retarded logic to ban guns entirely forces you to ban every other possibly harmful item from our world until we are all wrapped in bubble wrap and people still end up dead.


Maybe if half the money used to whine about gun's being banned was redirected to gun safety and anti suicide projects some lives could be saved.
but don't let dead people stop you from spouting on your high horse! ^_^

[Stardrift]

No, you have your freedom of speech, I just don't really care.

I mean let's be honest, when you wrote your comment, you weren't looking for a structured civilized discussion. You already have your opinion of me and my beliefs formed, which is fine, doesn't mean i have to give two shits about it.

You gave enough shits to reply, lol.

[Theinquisition]

I guess I don't understand why some people are so consumed about what law abiding citizens have in their home.

If I, as a law abiding citizen, have firearms in my home that I'm not using to commit crimes, why does anyone care that I have them and furthermore why do they insist on taking them.

Same concept as abortions, I don't care what a woman does with her body, leave me alone and I'll leave you alone.

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You gave enough shits to reply, lol.

I was being civil, my mistake.

[Mayia]

Nobody of any sort of importance should care about any kind of opinion on the internet about gun laws and rights. They're busy doing something.. Well, important and worth while.

Besides, you tote your right to defend yourself just as bad as you tote your guns around. Anyone has the right to voice their opinion on it. The freedom of speech, no? Since you're so very into freedom and rights. Or are you only into the cool ones, like gunz n bullets n killing (totally in self defence), right?

It seems like your knowledge on the subject comes from television and the internet so uuuh, cool.
But that doesn't mean you are completely uninformed i'm sure you at least know which way to point a firearm?

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I guess I don't understand why some people are so consumed about what law abiding citizens have in their home.

If I, as a law abiding citizen, have firearms in my home that I'm not using to commit crimes, why does anyone care that I have them and furthermore why do they insist on taking them.

Same concept as abortions, I don't care what a woman does with her body, leave me alone and I'll leave you alone.

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I was being civil, my mistake.

Its because antifa (aka the commies) want to take everyone else's shit in some kind of fantasy socialism system where they get to smoke weed and play video games all day and still live it up, if people have guns when they come knocking it doesn't work well for their plan.

[Theinquisition]

It seems like your knowledge on the subject comes from television and the internet so uuuh, cool.
But that doesn't mean you are completely uninformed i'm sure you at least know which way to point a firearm?

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Its because antifa (aka the commies) want to take everyone else's shit in some kind of fantasy socialism system where they get to smoke weed and play video games all day and still live it up, if people have guns when they come knocking it doesn't work well for their plan.

Well being as those same people are the ones who are okay with political violence against those arbitrarily given the title of "Nazi " regardless of whether it's true or not, I'll keep my firearms in the slight chance that somehow people like that ever gain a measure of power.

[Najnaj]

Just think of it as the Darwin Awards. We know that statistically, your gun is many, MANY, times more likely to be used against a member of your family than against an intruder. If you still want a gun after finding this out then it is probably in our best interest that you limit the spread of your genes ... by getting shot in the face by your 4 year old for example.

[Daelak]

Well, it doesn't take much to cow Europeans. All the masculinity was killed off 80 years ago

You are an embarrassment to the uniform you once wore. Can't wait to hear what the conservative "liberty-lover" definition of masculinity is.

[Theinquisition]

Just think of it as the Darwin Awards. We know that statistically, your gun is many, MANY, times more likely to be used against a member of your family than against an intruder. If you still want a gun after finding this out then it is probably in our best interest that you limit the spread of your genes ... by getting shot in the face by your 4 year old for example.

So you advocate children shooting parents because you disagree with someone owning a firearm, seems like a very sane and rational reaction.

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You are an embarrassment to the uniform you once wore. Can't wait to hear what the conservative "liberty-lover" definition of masculinity is.

Definitely not you lol.