Rogue in Antorus performs Horrible.

[MrHappy]

not from what I've seen...sounds like the player not the class

[precious]

just w8 3-4 weeks when other classes reach close to 970 ilvl and start touching 2.5 million dps. We can talk then of how bad our gear scales with everything.

[Deleted]

I fu**ng love playing rogue, but right now its just a mess. I would like to know why tuning is so damn bad. Assasination e.g. has only ST CDs and jet we deal low ST and if we dont get lucky pretty weak AoE. There are a lot of cleave fights in Anorus were we could shine, but as an melee dotter Im pretty much useless, because long living adds/bosses have to be tanked away from each other. I feel really weak as an Assassin in Antorus. (Before ppl flame: I'm a HC pleb and want to play what I like, so Outlaw and Sub are not an option for me, I just dislike the play styles)

[Eazy]

not from what I've seen...sounds like the player not the class

To be honest I think it's not because the player... but because of the other players that are not rogue - they're not trying enough.

Whenever I PUG I'm usually TOP3 DPS(probably because I'm trying), but whenever we do pretty well coordinated group in my guild(with people who are actually very good) - I'm very rarely in TOP3 DPS.

What I mean:
Exceptional rogue is always going to have better DPS than medicore other class players. But if they're playing almost on the same level(in matter of skill, % in logs, ilvl etc.) then rogues are not that high.

[fcc]

Problem is scaling, weapon damage is almost worthless right now, my kingslayers are 993, and it's not that much of a DPS boost because outside of stats, the damage on the weapon only affects mutilate =\

[AceofH]

Problem is scaling, weapon damage is almost worthless right now, my kingslayers are 993, and it's not that much of a DPS boost because outside of stats, the damage on the weapon only affects mutilate =\

yep. and wow, 993 weapons? thats friggen impressive.

[fcc]

yep. and wow, 993 weapons? thats friggen impressive.

Got lucky 975/965 relics =p

[Deleted]

just w8 3-4 weeks when other classes reach close to 970 ilvl and start touching 2.5 million dps. We can talk then of how bad our gear scales with everything.

already confirmed that we are going to b stuck at 2m peak

[elfporn]

already confirmed that we are going to b stuck at 2m peak

Wow you already have bis gear? I mean, sims dont account for anything but raid gear.... so you must have been farming quite a bit!

im approaching that 2m cap at 945ilvl, i guess i dont have much to look foward too when im at 965 or so!







You’re an idiot naysayer.

[Deleted]

Wow you already have bis gear? I mean, sims dont account for anything but raid gear.... so you must have been farming quite a bit!

im approaching that 2m cap at 945ilvl, i guess i dont have much to look foward too when im at 965 or so!







You’re an idiot naysayer.

2m at 945?
must be nice farming HC

[precious]

Wow you already have bis gear? I mean, sims dont account for anything but raid gear.... so you must have been farming quite a bit!

im approaching that 2m cap at 945ilvl, i guess i dont have much to look foward too when im at 965 or so!







You’re an idiot naysayer.

Plz link me your raidbots page. Im 953 equip and i barely touch 1.95m. Hyperbole much? Also 945 means u r doing normal or hc at best. So kills times are like 70% faster than mythic.

EDIT: Nvm i re simmed at 3 mins it takes a hc boss to die instead of 8-10 for a mythic and im simming 2.45m dps. Makes sense i guess.

Yep rogues are in good spot while bl/blades and pot last. Shocking.

[elfporn]

Plz link me your raidbots page. Im 953 equip and i barely touch 1.95m. Hyperbole much? Also 945 means u r doing normal or hc at best. So kills times are like 70% faster than mythic.

EDIT: Nvm i re simmed at 3 mins it takes a hc boss to die instead of 8-10 for a mythic and im simming 2.45m dps. Makes sense i guess.

Yep rogues are in good spot while bl/blades and pot last. Shocking.

I’m 945 equipped because i’ve not gotten a ton of gear out of the two heroic clears. Got my 4p from normal last week so i’m on the backburner for heroic/mythic tier.

You also can’t sit here and tell me “945 means you’re doing normal or hc at best”. This is week two of the new raid, do you honeslty expect everyone to be 955ilvl or better in the first week? That’s dumb. I will admit however, i’m one of the lowest ilvl players in my raid.

Hyperbole there because that idiot wont stop spouting doomsday predictions/nonsense based off of sims and a small sample size of players in their first week of mythic who are more focused on staying alive than optimizing best dps on new encounters.

[precious]

I’m 945 equipped because i’ve not gotten a ton of gear out of the two heroic clears. Got my 4p from normal last week so i’m on the backburner for heroic/mythic tier.

You also can’t sit here and tell me “945 means you’re doing normal or hc at best”. This is week two of the new raid, do you honeslty expect everyone to be 955ilvl or better in the first week? That’s dumb. I will admit however, i’m one of the lowest ilvl players in my raid.

Hyperbole there because that idiot wont stop spouting doomsday predictions/nonsense based off of sims and a small sample size of players in their first week of mythic who are more focused on staying alive than optimizing best dps on new encounters.

Like i said earlier and in other threads. The problem now is small. The gap between us and the rest is not that noticable. It will explode after 3-4 weeks when guilds gonna be close to 960-965 ilvl and players will start touch 970. Wanna make its worse? Add kill times that gonna go down at least 30-40% cause u learned how to do it and have way more gear.

Rogue from 940 to 970 gains aproxx 500k
Warrior from 940 to 970 gains close to million
FOtm classs will touch 2.5 million st before this year runs out.
When a 948 can do 2m then i can assure u that will touch 3m on 980 and u will be stuck at 2.2

Its not bad yet. But will be a bloodbath soon. But its fine. Feint and cloak will fix it.

[Deleted]

Like i said earlier and in other threads. The problem now is small. The gap between us and the rest is not that noticable. It will explode after 3-4 weeks when guilds gonna be close to 960-965 ilvl and players will start touch 970. Wanna make its worse? Add kill times that gonna go down at least 30-40% cause u learned how to do it and have way more gear.

Rogue from 940 to 970 gains aproxx 500k
Warrior from 940 to 970 gains close to million
FOtm classs will touch 2.5 million st before this year runs out.
When a 948 can do 2m then i can assure u that will touch 3m on 980 and u will be stuck at 2.2

Its not bad yet. But will be a bloodbath soon. But its fine. Feint and cloak will fix it.

dont forget cheat death, something that a lot classes have gotten now.

[elfporn]

Like i said earlier and in other threads. The problem now is small. The gap between us and the rest is not that noticable. It will explode after 3-4 weeks when guilds gonna be close to 960-965 ilvl and players will start touch 970. Wanna make its worse? Add kill times that gonna go down at least 30-40% cause u learned how to do it and have way more gear.

Rogue from 940 to 970 gains aproxx 500k
Warrior from 940 to 970 gains close to million
FOtm classs will touch 2.5 million st before this year runs out.
When a 948 can do 2m then i can assure u that will touch 3m on 980 and u will be stuck at 2.2

Its not bad yet. But will be a bloodbath soon. But its fine. Feint and cloak will fix it.

yeap. We're not there yet. But we will be if things don't change. (The sky is falling slowly).

I will be amazed if they don't run a second round of balance tuning after the mythic race is over. I must be optimistic though.

[precious]

yeap. We're not there yet. But we will be if things don't change. (The sky is falling slowly).

I will be amazed if they don't run a second round of balance tuning after the mythic race is over. I must be optimistic though.

They wont, at least not any time soon (imo), and solely on the reason that some bosses require/cheese/#makeslifeeasier to stack rogues /cough cough agrammar.

The last thing they want to see is 5-6 rogues like avatar or kj. And at least we didnt do amazing dps on those 2 bosses cause of bad uptime. Now that u can be 100% on boss its a diff story. Soakbots plus high dps? Not gonna happen. Again (imo). Atm they are on a crusade against rogues to reduce their numbers of use inside raid. Just looking at my realm on the first 20 guilds the total numbers of main rogues is 63 and another 33 very close geared alts or socials. That means almost every guild has at least 4 rogues ready to be used, and some has even more.

From the above according to logs the ones that are visible and not private i see 22 used on mythic of 14 guilds in total so far this week.

Tbh i stopped caring. We are 3 rogues in guild and we rotate each other on bosses when we dont need to be in for all the bosses.

Edit: Method as we speak using 5 rogues and exorsus 3. Do u get the point now? Not gonna touch us with 100 mile pole. I hope ill be 100% wrong.

[Slim Charles]

Atm they are on a crusade against rogues to reduce their numbers of use inside raid. Just looking at my realm on the first 20 guilds the total numbers of main rogues is 63 and another 33 very close geared alts or socials. That means almost every guild has at least 4 rogues ready to be used, and some has even more.

Dont know if thats the case on NA, but on my server in particular barely any guild has more than 1 rogue. Im the only rogue in my guild since I joined when they were at Krosus Mythic. We had some trials but they were declined. What we have stacked tho is Afflocks, Boomkins and Shadows. People want to play dps not soakbot. If they balance around what top 50 guilds stack a lot of people will be unhappy, since they will not see the same stacking due to utility. Avatar M was fine with me as the only rogue and it would have been fine with me playing another class having no rogue at all. They removed the hybrid tax, so why should there be a utility tax? I get that you just try to explain Blizzard's logic behind things, but if they really think that they should reconsider.

[omeomorfismo]

lulz, a year ago i couldnt even dream to see combat at the bottom of an aoe fight.
now at eonar they are even under assassination XDXDXD
blizz should really only fix aoe for rog, or at least for non-sub

[Deleted]

lulz, a year ago i could even dream to see combat at the bottom of an aoe fight.
now at eonar they are even under assassination XDXDXD
blizz should really only fix aoe for rog, or at least for non-sub

It's difficult to dps well as a melee on Eonar, but in MM+ i deal way more damage in Outlaw (consistent damage) with Mantle/Insignia/RtB after 2 weeks of comingback from Sub.

Maybe around 2m on each pack, 1,5m on bosses, 5m aoe peak. I'm at 33% haste unbuff and i feel like it changes everything to deal more consistent damage while having pleasure, even with RtB (i never feel frustrated once since 7.3.2 when i switched to outlaw)

[KiwifruitOCE]

rogues are top 3 melee dps at this current ilvl during progress. top dps on aggramar as well.

probs for scrub guilds they won't be as good because those guilds prog on harder bosses with a much higher ilvl, and rogues won't scale as well as other classes.